hit takers - the usual suspects.....

[bornleverpuller]

I just don't worry about non hit takers, if I am close enough that I 100% sure that I hit them I am also close enough to pepper them with fully auto until they decide it hurts enough to declare they have been hit.

I do get satisfaction from having a person that I have hit a couple of times and not called it have a little strop after getting a decent burst from close range.

 

[Spawnah]

I've never noticed a knock-on effect, but I've noticed that non-hit takers are usually those on the losing team or if they've been dying often. I get it, they're probably frustrated and are sick of walking back to the respawn. I'll usually just let them off because most of the time I can't really be 100% certain I hit them anyway. That said it is still a little irritating when you KNOW you hit them and they just duck back into cover.

Never gotten to the point where I was pissed off enough to report anyone to a marshall though.

 

[Moose87]

i have only reported two. one at my local abd one at cool under fire. CuF one was the owner of a site in essex and was the worst cheat and most dangerous player i have ever come across. full auto blind firing inside a fort. non hit taking. screaming at people he thinks hes hit. using more lives then they were given. hot gun. the staff asked him not to come back apparently

 

[Esoterick]

I've only reported one person and in that case my suspicions were confirmed by the sleeve of his overall flapping rigorously in line with where my BBs were hitting, that was about the 4th time i'd heavily full autoed him and 4 of my team were standing next to me shouting at him to take his hits. Suffice to say they were queued up behind me when I had a word with the marshal after the game, lo and behold the guy had his hand in the air a lot for the remainder of the day.

 

[Black Death]

The thing I don't understand about cheaters is WHY DO IT! You are denying yourself of fun!!! I remember many years ago when I was a boy playing the original doom game on an ancient PC. A friend of mine told me a 'cheat' to enable godMode where I was invincible as I could not be hit. This was fun for all of about 15 seconds where I thought the game went from being excellent to utter wank. Surely it feels this way for cheaters at a skirmish! If you haven't earned your kills, then why do you have such a big fat 'special needs' grin on your face. Maybe I'm being a bit generalistic but whenever I've come up against blatant cheaters they tend to be a bit well 'special'.

My last dealing with a 'special' (as I will now be referring to them lol) was with a guy who on the face of things should have known better. He was in his late 30s to early 40s and appeared to have been airsofting a long time. I had to explain to him why sticking a pistol 90 degrees round a corner was dangerous as he has no idea what he was shooting at. His response was "wear full face pro and stop being a hero with just goggles". I took him calmly to one side and showed him a slow motion demo of a pistol/rifle barrel accidentally hooking into a mask and removing the protection from ones face. Firing would result in point blank bbs direct into eyeballs, nostrils or the mouth with the shooter not even knowing he is doing this. He seemed to understand this but just shrugged and said it was still ok for him to do this despite the strong logic as to why not to do it. I have debates of this level with my 3 year old son and get a similar response but I don't expect this from a grown man. I just find these specials an absolute liability and danger to other players. I can just about tolerate cheaters but dangerous pricks need to get kicked before there's a big enough scare story to get the entire airsoft scene shut down or overly regulated to within an inch of its life!!!

After moaning to the Marshalls about this prick a few times for different multiple of fences I eventually had a close encounter with him and moscarted him in the throat from about 10cm (the only exposed skin on his entire body) with a 120round grenade. He ran off almost in tears to which I shouted "shoulda worse throat pro". He avoided me for the rest of the day!

I'm never usually that harsh but if pricks wanna cheat or endanger others then 'airsoft etticate' goes out the window!

 

[Black Death]

Oh and final rant...

I do think Marshalls on some sites (not all) need to do more to mediate and monitor. If the same person is being complained about by multiple persons (in different groups not all same team) then remove that person because they will have someone swing for them. No one wants to see a fight at a skirmish (I've seen a few) and these can be avoided by early intervention

Rant over

 

[Ian_Gere]

IMO the 'sin bin' approach is best: 5-10mins off the field depending on the offence. It's not a major pain as a sanction but it's got to be annoying and embarrassing too I would expect. But because it isn't such a bad thing, marshals would feel more able to use it. If marshals have to choose between pulling a person from that game completely for a first sanction then another massively important consideration has to be considered - who is the person and how influential is s/he within what size group of friends and how often do they come to the site... ie can i justify possibly losing X amount of business for the owner over incident Y?

This may well be the mechanism that creates the infamous home team invulnerability... It's sad, and, as you say Black Death, I can't really get my head around it either (except where i have definitely shot someone and seen them flinch but they haven't taken it, then i have previously just refused to take hits from them, ignoring them entirely - but in hindsight this is not the way forward b/c it encourages others to refuse hits also), but get it or not, deliberate cheating goes on and maybe a sanction which marshals would feel able to hand out on no more evidence than a report and seeing what seemed like a transgression, but which the marshal was not right next to so they couldn't perhaps swear to what appeared to have gone on...

You get me, people? Things can change very quickly in the field and if all a marshal can do is boot somebody back to the safe zone and after that off the site, maybe they wouldn't unless they could absolutely 100% swear to a breach of rules that was actually dangerous, rather than just annoying. I have to say that I'd bloody dislike it if I was given a sin binning by mistake, but I could accept it, in the same way i accept 50/50's when I know for a fact I not only shot first but that if it had been a real bullet, my opponent would not have been able to aim and fire with his/her last breath (Body-T shot)*, or pyro kills when I got myself round a corner with milliseconds to spare: for the sake of the game mechanics - it would not work as a sport if every marshal decision was subject to a debate, so I may well chunner under my breath and/or express my indignation to a team mate, but knowing that such events are the price of the game running well makes it rankle a lot less. The same would be true of a dubious/erroneous sin binning I'm sure...

* This happens to me fairly often because, fat ill bastard though I may be, my reaction time is still very short, so when I've failed to evacuate a position to displace, in response to the opposition taking out my team mates close by or just overwhelming us with numbers and full-auto, because I couldn't be arsed, or was too fucked even if the spirit was willing, to move, I know my time is up - but I'm not going to just give up, I'm totally going to shoot it out with as many of 'em as I can before I get hit :lol: