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Has anyone noticed Covid spikes after gatherings

Some things that are grossly overlooked with Omicron.

Sure it was South Africa that thisd appeared in, however, the Chinese community in Africa is numbering 20 million and most are regulars in travelling between the major cities that were responsible for the initial outbreak of Wuhan Flu which the CCP objected to because they are over sensitive about and that the WHO obliged and gave it a name that hid the origin...

This SA variant was like all these world pandemics and like the annual flu outbreaks, came from the same place as all pandemics originate, China.

The main reason being that their glitzy cities, travel less than 20 miles out of a major city and you have stepped back in time to a period that is more like the early years of serfdom in the UK, peasant farmers living with their livestock in horrendous conditions and easy transmission of viruses that break the zoonotic barrier. 

China pushes out an image of a modern society when nearly half of the people in china are still living in a level of poverty that makes their peasant farmers earn less than an illegal miner does in a day in South Africa.

Also note that in the last 10 years, China has been gearing up for war, who with, I D K but they are amassing tech that they never had 10 years ago, so like a bunch of kids are itching to try their toys out that were intellectual property of the west.

I am not about to venture down the growing body of evidence that Wuhan Flu aka COVID was a leaked bio-weeapon that the CCP were working on... I am just waiting fore that fact bubble to burst. Evidence of this research was discovered but quickly covered up and people disappeared. 

A couple of youtubers who spent a combined 20 years living in and have Chinese wives, commented on a number of things given their network of people that they are still in contact with, have better intelligence than the USA's NSA and what the Five Eyes collaboration brings to the table.

So for my end here, Omicron variant of Wuhan Flu came from the same place the original came from and weas trucked in via an executives or their family or family members coming over to stay with relatives escaping the outbreaks that keep on happening in China but news of is suppressed and the WHO has its woll pulled again because Tredos is a bought and paid shill and member of the CCP, evidence was presented to that fact as were tow other members of the WHO board sitting on this COVID committee in the WHO.

This is no conspiracy as all the evidence has surfaced and been presented by many people who have picked up on these investigators having direct links to the Wuhan research lab, previous work for the CCP... so its to me is just a cover up of another outbreak they worked so hard to cover Wuhan flu up that they missed evidence that was leaked by people and the discovery by the Chinese Doctor that got admonished for "Disrupting social harmony" was arrested and made to sign a retraction...  

So remember to look up in future, how many Chinese citizens and if that country is part of the belt and road initatives, then they will have a huge chinese population like Africa has over 20 million chinese there at any given moment... so its not hard to work out that the latest variant may have come out of Africa but it was trucked in from the usual suspect aka China.

Food for thought.

 
Some things that are grossly overlooked with Omicron.

Sure it was South Africa that thisd appeared in, however, the Chinese community in Africa is numbering 20 million and most are regulars in travelling between the major cities that were responsible for the initial outbreak of Wuhan Flu which the CCP objected to because they are over sensitive about and that the WHO obliged and gave it a name that hid the origin...

This SA variant was like all these world pandemics and like the annual flu outbreaks, came from the same place as all pandemics originate, China.

The main reason being that their glitzy cities, travel less than 20 miles out of a major city and you have stepped back in time to a period that is more like the early years of serfdom in the UK, peasant farmers living with their livestock in horrendous conditions and easy transmission of viruses that break the zoonotic barrier. 

China pushes out an image of a modern society when nearly half of the people in china are still living in a level of poverty that makes their peasant farmers earn less than an illegal miner does in a day in South Africa.

Also note that in the last 10 years, China has been gearing up for war, who with, I D K but they are amassing tech that they never had 10 years ago, so like a bunch of kids are itching to try their toys out that were intellectual property of the west.

I am not about to venture down the growing body of evidence that Wuhan Flu aka COVID was a leaked bio-weeapon that the CCP were working on... I am just waiting fore that fact bubble to burst. Evidence of this research was discovered but quickly covered up and people disappeared. 

A couple of youtubers who spent a combined 20 years living in and have Chinese wives, commented on a number of things given their network of people that they are still in contact with, have better intelligence than the USA's NSA and what the Five Eyes collaboration brings to the table.

So for my end here, Omicron variant of Wuhan Flu came from the same place the original came from and weas trucked in via an executives or their family or family members coming over to stay with relatives escaping the outbreaks that keep on happening in China but news of is suppressed and the WHO has its woll pulled again because Tredos is a bought and paid shill and member of the CCP, evidence was presented to that fact as were tow other members of the WHO board sitting on this COVID committee in the WHO.

This is no conspiracy as all the evidence has surfaced and been presented by many people who have picked up on these investigators having direct links to the Wuhan research lab, previous work for the CCP... so its to me is just a cover up of another outbreak they worked so hard to cover Wuhan flu up that they missed evidence that was leaked by people and the discovery by the Chinese Doctor that got admonished for "Disrupting social harmony" was arrested and made to sign a retraction...  

So remember to look up in future, how many Chinese citizens and if that country is part of the belt and road initatives, then they will have a huge chinese population like Africa has over 20 million chinese there at any given moment... so its not hard to work out that the latest variant may have come out of Africa but it was trucked in from the usual suspect aka China.

Food for thought.
Wow!  You would probably do well to lay off whatever you are on; it is seriously affecting your ability to discriminate between conspiracy theories and reality.

 
Wow!  You would probably do well to lay off whatever you are on; it is seriously affecting your ability to discriminate between conspiracy theories and reality.
But surely all reality IS  a conspiracy theory? ???

 
Scoff all you like. At some point in the future, the funnies you make will backfire on you. :)

Try this 


 
Seems that the Aussies have more of a clue than we do here...

Then go down the rabbit hole and see a growing body of evidence of a cover up by the CCP.

So I say again, scoff and laugh all you like as you are the fools. Just sayin'.

 
Believe in what you want.

Belief is a wonderful thing and no mans belief is any less valid than his brothers.

Tolerance is also a wonderful thing. Just remember someone is tolerating you!

So just shut the FUCK UP!

and enjoy whats left of ?  ???

Regards ?

 
7 hours ago, AirSniper said:

Scoff all you like. At some point in the future, the funnies you make will backfire on you. :)

Try this 

Belief is less valid when it is not based on facts and is based on delusional conspiracy theories.

Why should those who propagate conspiracy theory nonsense be tolerated?

 
Well I think belief is just what it is. It doesn’t need to be backed up by proof or facts.

And if a person is strong in their particular belief then they have no need to try and change someone else's belief to theirs. That shows me that they are not sure and need to reinforce their belief by making others join them. 

If someone spouts off about their particular theory about something then thats fine,it's their thoughts and ideas coming from an individual entity,it may not align with your thoughts and ideas but we are all capable of independent thought which makes us different.

Why not tolerate folk with different viewpoints if they are not harming you directly.?

Regards 

 
Well I think belief is just what it is. It doesn’t need to be backed up by proof or facts.

And if a person is strong in their particular belief then they have no need to try and change someone else's belief to theirs. That shows me that they are not sure and need to reinforce their belief by making others join them. 

If someone spouts off about their particular theory about something then thats fine,it's their thoughts and ideas coming from an individual entity,it may not align with your thoughts and ideas but we are all capable of independent thought which makes us different.

Why not tolerate folk with different viewpoints if they are not harming you directly.?

Regards 
When those viewpoints are clearly delusional and are damaging to our understanding of, for example, the nature and spread of this virus, that is potentially harming all of us.  It is somewhat similar to the deluded fools who "believe" in Q, that Trump won the election and who attacked the Capitol.

Based on your comment, I can only conclude that you have no problem with, for example, those who "believe" that the Holocaust did not happen or who believe that their religion requires them to kill gay people, apostates and women who dare to break the rules.  After all, those are just their beliefs and viewpoints.

I know someone who believes that COVID does not exist and that the vaccines are designed to enable "them" to monitor and control us.  Consequently, he refuses to get vaccinated or to wear a mask. But, hey, those are just his beliefs; that he could quite easily be spreading the virus is irrelevant,

 

 
So are you saying that nobody has a right to a belief? Or that they can have a belief if its the same as yours?

 
belief is fine, believe whatever you want no matter how stupid and it can and should be tolerated.

sure there can be debates or attempts to convince out of it, indeed it can be fun to do so.

but when that belief affects others then that's where the line must be drawn.

 
All the data shows that vaccines work to reduce the risk of infection and transmission of the virus.


Genuinely: what data?

Real talk, my day job is data analytics.  But that needs input, and I can't find any.

I'm struggling to think how you'd even measure a reduction in community transmissibility given the near impossibility of finding control groups or making like-for-like comparisons across nations and populations.

Does it give 100% protection? No


Does it reduce transmissible infection at a community level?  I mean, "it's just common sense" that it must, but that's for any given individual.

But remember that the big problem with SARS-COV-2 is asymptomatic transmission, and that super-spreaders are a thing.  I could make a "common sense" argument that having a viral load just high enough to be transmissible, but not high enough to be symptomatic, might be the worse case for community transmission in a highly vaccinated population.

You can look at the continuing spread in (e.g.) highly vaccinated Gibraltar, or on highly/fully vaccinated and negative-tested cruise ships, and declare that it would obviously be worse with a lower rate of vaccination.  But that's just assertion.  Against what would you compare them to determine whether...

it significantly reduces the chance of infection


Triggered.  "Significantly" has a specific statistical meaning, and I've yet to find anything approaching data for it.

and if you do get infected the chances of being hospitalised are far lower. 


Now, there I fully agree.  Since I can't find the evidence for transmissibility, and since at this point the "we're all in it together" argument has clearly failed to convince the last unvaccinated, I'd hammer on the purely selfish benefits of it.

"Do it to protect me" isn't having much traction with the screw-you hold-outs, and may be entrenching their resistance.

All I'm hearing from the anti vaxx crowd is that it's a attack on their freedoms and other such nonsense.


For some, that's the concern.  I'm not anti vaccine, but I do have some specific concerns about why vaccine passports are being introduced, and what they might mutate into.  I very much hope to be wrong about that.

And there are people who are genuinely more scared of vaccine reactions than of covid.

In younger, haler age groups, for non-flabbies with no-comorbidities, they may even have a point.

Remember that the JCVI has not recommended general vaccination for healthy under 18s, but we've gone ahead anyway.

Tin-foil hat firmly off, I make it 1164 AZ deaths, 666 Pfizer deaths (oof), 23 Moderna deaths, 36 unspecified.  No, not from a conspiracy site, from gov.uk

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions

Strong caveat, that's with vaccines, not from vaccines, but of course that also applies to with/from covid.

Nobody is being descriminated against


Care home workers have already been fired for being unvaccinated, with NHS workers to follow.  Nightclubs and large venues are denying entry by law, and some smaller venues by policy.

You can argue that's not "discrimination", but that's a semantic argument that will be cold comfort to those out of a job.

By the plain meaning of the word, it is segregation.  Now, you may view that as a good thing, and I'm not even necessarily going to disagree, but we should strive to be honest about language, goals and intentions.

its worth remembering that your rights end when your actions affect others.


Not unconditionally or absolutely.

I'm seeing a lot of "Debate over" / "end of argument" / "you can't question The Science" / "you don't even need to think about it, dude" and similar statements, and they make me rather uncomfortable.  I prefer nuanced analysis of relative risk, constant questioning, and honest, evidenced answers to those questions.  If the evidence is there, then the questions should be easy to answer, right?

But if you can't show a healthy 18 year old the evidence that being vaccinated will reduce their transmissibility (I'd genuinely love to see it); nor that it will lower their own personal risk (JCVI says not), then what argument would you give in favour of them getting vaccinated, let alone forcing them to do so?

 
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So are you saying that nobody has a right to a belief? Or that they can have a belief if its the same as yours?
No, I am not: I am not sure how you managed to reach that conclusion from my posts.  I have no problem with anyone believing anything that is:

1. Not potentially harmful to others.
2. Not contradicted by all know relevant facts.

Now, based on your post, I am almost convinced that you should have no problem with, for example, those who "believe" that the Holocaust did not happen or who believe that their religion requires them to kill gay people, apostates and women who dare to break the rules.  After all, those are just their beliefs and viewpoints.

 
See there you go again confusing belief with facts.

Not the same thing mate.

Correct I have no problem with those who believe the holocaust never happened. I know it did and that is all that matters to me. What someone else thinks is their concern.

It's a big bad,sad world fella and I can't help but think that with a different set of circumstance you could have been born into one of these cultures that you hate so much and your views would have been different. 

Regards 

 
See there you go again confusing belief with facts.

Not the same thing mate.

Correct I have no problem with those who believe the holocaust never happened. I know it did and that is all that matters to me. What someone else thinks is their concern.

It's a big bad,sad world fella and I can't help but think that with a different set of circumstance you could have been born into one of these cultures that you hate so much and your views would have been different. 

Regards 
I cannot quite work out whether you are just looking for an argument or whether you are somewhat dense.  At the moment, based on the evidence, I am tending towards the latter.

Come back when you can string together a reasonable argument without making unsupported assumptions.  I won't be holding my breath while I wait.

 

 
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