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Why's that? If the site allow or encourage his type of bullshit then it sounds like one to avoid
Phoenix Airsoft is a fucking shit site anyway with a decidely shit player base (went once never again) and given KM lives in Essex and its outside Nottingham shows you how far he has to travel now to play

I enjoy his videos!

I'm probably creating a rod for my own back being new here and hearing the general opinion of him but each to their own.

Perhaps my opinion will change as I get more personal experience or if I take a hit from him some day but I doubt it.

It's YouTube, pinch of salt, purely entertainment, looks like loads of drama but it's edited from many hours of footage and everyone can follow who they want and receive similar suggestions from the algorithms.

I bet some of the people who hate him are actively paying him by watching his videos so let that be an incentive to tune out and pay him no mind and you'll likely forget about him till you come across him in the field. Bad press is good press, stop feeding your monsters.
Nevermind his airsoft cheating and antics, go look up the row over his rather racist views he published on Twitter.  Utterly odious little man

 
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and no I don't watch anything of his
I'm sure if you did watch it you would still form the same opinion however not having watched how does one come to form an opinion of their own?

It's real life for his victims.


Agreed but when I watch his vids I see many people taking their hits like any other hit from anyone else and their hardware, I see some people complaining and I see others not taking their hits and willing to take five or six more before they acknowledge them so it's hard to say whether the complainers are just complaining or whether their gripe is legit since so many others just crack on with the game sometimes even with compliments.

and those of the folk who follow his example

which imo is the bigger issue, setting a bad precedent for folk who otherwise have no reference frame for how to approach the sport.


I see your point, at the same time though we are all responsible for ourselves and generally have a moral compass there's good people and idiots in all circles (suppose people are generally sheep though), I'm not on his chode, there's a couple vids where I differ from him in opinion like when he gets team killed and he rants a little about it, I think he should take them on the chin as he's in a ghillie and difficult to confirm team status but he always takes the hit just with a little pointless rant although seems more disappointed than angry. I'm sure there's plenty of people to guide newbies not to mention the site leaders and refs and briefings etc which should all steer them right.

Nevermind his airsoft cheating and antics, go look up the row over his rather racist views he published on Twitter.  Utterly odious little man


Literally had to look this up, I'm in two minds on it, not dug too deep with it so don't know the timeline of it all, if you know how long ago his comments were made let me know, I like to think we are all capable of change/growth/maturity and I don't take others opinions to heart unless they intend to act on them in a violent manner.

In regards to the BLM George Floyd stuff I myself have no sympathy for George Floyd he was an animal with a massive list of criminal offences from drug dealing charges to robbery, one in particular he and his goons broke into a pregnant woman's home and robbed her, I believe she got pistol whipped and George held a gun point blank on her baby bump. Also he swallowed a load of fentanyl to try avoid another drug charge so I'm sure he didn't help himself on that day neither, if a policeman tells you to do something while he has grounds for arrest then you comply instantly.

BLM as a statement I believe in it BLM as a movement was probably a justified social movement (in America and not because of Floyd) but now the organisation is borderline terrorist and calls for a lot of crap I don't agree with personally, they are still entitled to their opinion as I am to mine though.

The Islamaphobic stuff doesn't much bother me neither, I don't agree with it (I am Muslim) but it's kinda time dependant again I guess as since 9/11 the whole world was kinda conditioned to hate us or at least be suspicious of us. The clothing stuff is nothing I haven't heard from many many comedians (Russel Howards stuff cracks me up but he does it in a respectful way kind of) and even prime ministers ?

The nuke them comment is bad but again I've heard that shit from a lot of westerners during the war on terror, heard soldiers say the same thing, nuke the rag heads etc again it's an opinion and they been fighting against so called Muslims and losing friends to them and such so again I don't lame them or begrudge them, just is what it is.

I guess my point is people are entitled to think what they think based on their own life experiences or small mindedness whatever it is, I'm big enough to not let it affect me and pride myself on not melting every time someone differs with my opinion. I don't agree with everything with everyone including my family and friends and if I cancelled everyone who doesn't completely agree with me on all things I'd be solo in all things and a very very bitter person.

 
Agreed but when I watch his vids I see many people taking their hits like any other hit from anyone else and their hardware, I see some people complaining and I see others not taking their hits and willing to take five or six more before they acknowledge them so it's hard to say whether the complainers are just complaining or whether their gripe is legit since so many others just crack on with the game sometimes even with compliments


even if we discount the amount of editing in the videos, there's going to be varying levels of response to a given hit from different players.

different pain responses (eg if someone's used to paintball), different experience (eg a newer player who doesn't know how much a given bb hit should or should not sting) and different encounters (eg if they mistake it for a much closer player, although in fairness that argument applies to any sniper)

I see your point, at the same time though we are all responsible for ourselves and generally have a moral compass there's good people and idiots in all circles (suppose people are generally sheep though), I'm not on his chode, there's a couple vids where I differ from him in opinion like when he gets team killed and he rants a little about it, I think he should take them on the chin as he's in a ghillie and difficult to confirm team status but he always takes the hit just with a little pointless rant although seems more disappointed than angry. I'm sure there's plenty of people to guide newbies not to mention the site leaders and refs and briefings etc which should all steer them right.


it is true that a-holes gonna a-hole, but we could do without our *shudder* "ambassadors" *shudder* painting a picture of airsoft as a sport that encourages some of the stuff he does.

as always we must factor in every denominator; sure if you're an experienced player with an established sense of sportsmanship then yes you could watch hyped up clickbait knowing full well it's not representative of the reality of the game, but imagine little timmy asks his mum if he can go airsofting, who then goes on the facetubes to see what the deal is only to presented with "airsoft cheetar shot in the balls with 500fps sniper rifle [super painful][instant karma] [he regretted it]"?

to put it another way, enough people are influenced by this sort of thing to keep the classifieds well stocked with whatever novritches latest product is, and those cost actual money......

 
as always we must factor in every denominator; sure if you're an experienced player with an established sense of sportsmanship then yes you could watch hyped up clickbait knowing full well it's not representative of the reality of the game, but imagine little timmy asks his mum if he can go airsofting, who then goes on the facetubes to see what the deal is only to presented with "airsoft cheetar shot in the balls with 500fps sniper rifle [super painful][instant karma] [he regretted it]"?

to put it another way, enough people are influenced by this sort of thing to keep the classifieds well stocked with whatever novritches latest product is, and those cost actual money......
Ok I see your point.

Perhaps in the interest of equal representation and such their could be different teams/fields/games etc for different player types.

For example child friendly fields with super strict rules, intermediate for the sort of standard rule sets and then like Hardcore ones for people like Mustang.

Perhaps call them differently like literally separate them and have Airsoft and Airhard or hardcore Airsoft or something and make it a requirement that they label their content as such.

I don't know just trying to brain-fart solutions as I'm sure there's plenty of people who would sign a bigger waiver to play Airhardcore or whatever is settled on.

Does this sport have councils and such who can discuss and rule on things like this as oppose to all the mobrule and divisional arguments?

 
The last time I was talking about this Hazel Blears was trying to steal my toys so I might be a little fuzzy but I don't think you can give consent to be shot with a firearm. 

Perhaps call them differently like literally separate them and have Airsoft and Airhard or hardcore Airsoft or something and make it a requirement that they label their content as such.

 
The last time I was talking about this Hazel Blears was trying to steal my toys so I might be a little fuzzy but I don't think you can give consent to be shot with a firearm. 
Not sure I've understood you correctly but I'll reply as though I have which I may have...

I may be a little fuzzy but I didn't see the news about mass body counts from real firearm shootings at Airsoft fields and Kicking Mustang on any wanted lists. How many did he kill so far?

 
Definition of a "firearm" pertaining to Airsoft https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/27/section/57A . Its all hearsay to me but from what I have read KM has shot someone multiple times with the definition of firearm according to the above legislation. I don't think we can legally play "hardball" as I said "I don't think you can consent to being shot with a firearm". 

 
I see others not taking their hits


You see him adding hit markers.  Much of the time, you can see his BBs curving off into the distance as he snarls and swears about cheaters.  This is one of the reasons why so many sites have banned him: he deliberately gives a false impression about the amount of cheating that goes on.

Perhaps in the interest of equal representation and such their could be different teams/fields/games etc for different player types.


There are, since every site has different attitudes to marshalling, chronoing[*], head shots, power-play, overkill and such.

It's only an issue if sites aren't honest about what to expect, or when Phoenix attitudes are taken to other sites.

[*]Ouch, Phoenix allow auto fire at 1.3J, tested on 0.2g.  I guess their insurers don't know about Joule creep.

 
@BigBell1987 welcome mate, but NO NO NO, no offence but it seem like every noob seems to want to reinvent the wheel (or circumnavigate the law), on paper Airsoft is almost perfect, almost, the issues/changes that need fixing are cheating in its various forms, & sites with shit staff that can't organise a piss up in a brewery, & ideally understand the physics HPA etc. 

It's not a lot to ask really, I've always said that organisers could make their own lives easier & their sites more successful if they copied the best aspects of what are considered the best sites, literally what works best. 

Everyone's a winner surely?

 
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I'm sure if you did watch it you would still form the same opinion however not having watched how does one come to form an opinion of their own?
I posted that I don't watch his videos, not that I've never seen one. 

I see others not taking their hits and willing to take five or six more before they acknowledge them
That's because its taken him that many shots to actually hit them. Often you can see the bb floating off nowhere near the target, he adds the hit markers and bitches about "cheaters" for the clicks

 
Why's that? If the site allow or encourage his type of bullshit then it sounds like one to avoid
A couple of their marshalls are spot on, a couple are utterly useless at dealing with fuckery. There is a decent amount of dickheads who refuse to call hits. I've been a few times and if you get the good marshalls, it can be a good day out. 

 
There is a decent amount of dickheads who refuse to call hits. I've been a few times and if you get the good marshalls, it can be a good day out. 


Sure, it's all down to the people who show up on the day (and whether the wrong 'uns get dealt with).

However, Phoenix is the first site that I've seen that has its own website but doesn't appear to have one single word to say about rules or conduct.  As a new player there, how would you know how the game is meant to be played, or what to expect?  Maybe from watching YouTube videos, urgh.

The only thing they list is maximum fps / energy for guns (nothing about MED or rate of fire), and uniquely, they allow auto AEG right up to 1.3J chronoed on a 0.2g BB.  Either they don't know, or don't care, that anything shooting heavier BBs is likely to Joule creep above that legal limit, making it (legally speaking) not an airsoft gun, but a Section 5 firearm.

I'm not saying auto at 1.35J is going to instantly start murderkilling folk or blowing through eyepro, just that it gives the impression of a site that's a bit... special.

 
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For some reason one of his videos labelled ‘most terrifying airsoft injury’ popped up on my fb feed once. 
 

had to have a watch.

he basically puts his foot down a hole and rips his trousers ?

I guess I was hoping for open compound fractures or bunji pit impalement. 
 

Similar incident occurred at rype village, fibua training area at Lydd camp, for years it mirrored your average Belfast terraces, then it kicked off in the sandpit, to which the mod's concerted effort to ensure realism, was to mock up a mosque/minaret with a few large drainage pipes etc, hardly convincing but sure enough some pictures got out (not sure if it was during an airsoft event ?), made it in to the press, who obviously wouldn't want to make anything of it ?, & a shitstorm ensued. 

As a result, absolutely no filming or still photography on site EVER AGAIN?


I played a legion event of all things at lydd training area back in 2017.

only went because of the site, 

Somehow the mod cocked up and didn’t realise legion were a commercial airsoft co or something so it was subsequently closed to airsofters immediately after the event ? 

I remember seeing half of THG there wandering around like a lost sheep. 

was a great area.

Always nice to play new sites you’re not familiar with!

 
I played a legion event of all things at lydd training area back in 2017.

only went because of the site, 

Somehow the mod cocked up and didn’t realise legion were a commercial airsoft co or something so it was subsequently closed to airsofters immediately after the event ? 

I remember seeing half of THG there wandering around like a lost sheep.


Yeah I was at the game as well, the base commander supposedly threw the book at landmark or whatever they are called that do the leasing of MOD sites. People were specifically told that video etc was prohibited, as usual the band of social media whores like mattthemusketeer completely ignored that then the ban hammer by the MOD came down pretty swiftly (wasn't just the video that bought that on as the sight should never have been let out but the videos didn't help matters)

I was having a mindless scroll last night and noticed two videos come up as sponsored, was intrigued out of sheer boredom what the spunktrumpet is up to currently and to no surprise first video was at Phoenix where he decided that its a "headshot only game" cue taking numerous shots at people who he had full view of (or so the perspective shows) and takes multiple head shots as per his own twisted "mission" for the game.

Second one irked me the most as it involved someone who clearly English isn't their first language, doesn't take much listening to assess that ol'donkey punch is making the most of this for his video (regardless of the guy implying he will be taking licking cumstain to court) - the comments on the video are absolutely shocking, numerous people ripping the shit out of the poor guy which in my opinion boils down to downright racism in some instances.

While I don't mind the fact that various platforms show Airsoft in a good light and bring new and interesting people to the hobby, this type of shit just makes me want to play less than I already do. Yes you can argue you'll find arseholes in every sport but as a community we should be doing more to shut this sort of shit down.

 
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“spunktrumpet” ??

“While I don't mind the fact that various platforms show Airsoft in a good light and bring new and interesting people to the hobby, this type of shit just makes me want to play less than I already do. Yes you can argue you'll find arseholes in every sport but as a community we should be doing more to shut this sort of shit down.”

tbh the team of guys I play with have luckily become associated with another large like minded group of players who are eastern  gear enthusiasts so we get 1 or two private games organised every year, we play as nato them as eastern forces. 
 

You absolutely clear the diary for these events because you know every person on that field as a friend and they play the game in the same spirit. 
 

no cheating, aggro, hassle etc. 

the rest of the time we have to put of with playing open ticket events where you are literally at the mercy of what knobbers turn up. 
 

it’s a shame but that seems to be the way it is now. 
 

 
For some reason one of his videos labelled ‘most terrifying airsoft injury’ popped up on my fb feed once. 
 

had to have a watch


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If you want a quick dopamine hit, you can report his videos - unwatched - as harmful / dangerous / hurtyfeels conduct.

 
Hit a post limit for the day yesterday so couldn't respond, couldn't find a thread discussing post limits, anyone know how many posts per day and does it change based on forum rank? Thanks.

Definition of a "firearm" pertaining to Airsoft https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1968/27/section/57A . Its all hearsay to me but from what I have read KM has shot someone multiple times with the definition of firearm according to the above legislation. I don't think we can legally play "hardball" as I said "I don't think you can consent to being shot with a firearm". 
Hearsay to most of not all of the mob I reckon.

When I say a hardcore version I don't necessarily mean change the power I just mean this field is for people who don't care where they get shot and take responsibility for their face/head protection. I see how you came to that considering the allegations include this firearm stuff, the problem is the number of allegations makes my post seem like I condone them all, I'm not advocating for or condoning those I'm simply saying could there not be a clear distinction between sights which allow headshots from particular ranges with particular weapons and fire rates and ones which don't whatsoever so you can all avoid each other and enjoy the game how you like to play it.

I don't post often, but I've been lured out of hiding to say; BigBell, are you really sure you want Airsoft to be any more hardcore? Given that you wear lower face, that kind of suggests it's a bit too hardcore for you as it is.
I'd apologise for luring you from your hide however since I never stipulated which category I'd personally choose to play in or whether my reasons for a mask are purely cosmetic or safety or perhaps even medical it would seem you had a wasted journey of which I am not responsible. Perhaps your stirring can best be blamed on the psychology of mob rule in which safety in numbers inspires otherwise cowardly children to join a lynch mob.

I'm surprised you bothered to be honest, my original comment of making a rod for my own back was somewhat being proven wrong when every response was non personal and based on sharing knowledge and perspective about why they disagree with me until you surfaced.

Also find it odd that a comment mocking/belittling the wearing of face protection is recieving likes from people who argue responsible/safe gaming and how the sport is perceived by people outside the community such as parents of would be hobbyists being their motive behind disliking KM in the first place, perhaps some people are just hiding general dislike or jealousy behind virtuousness in order to get what they want or rid of who they don't want.

You see him adding hit markers.  Much of the time, you can see his BBs curving off into the distance as he snarls and swears about cheaters.  
I also follow the BBS and not the hit markers and yet come to a different opinion. Granted I see some questionable ones but that's the case with every channel I've seen. Plenty of the cheater calls acknowledge their hits on a reaction level but just don't call it, some genuinely don't feel them which calls into question the whole power allegations and others as you say aren't hits in the first place.

There are, since every site has different attitudes to marshalling, chronoing[*], head shots, power-play, overkill and such.

It's only an issue if sites aren't honest about what to expect, or when Phoenix attitudes are taken to other sites.
Ok so this is basically what I've been trying to get at with the whole hardcore mode thing, perhaps instead of destroying individuals those with clout in this community could organise some sort of council of field operators whereby they clearly distinguish which type of field they are and why, make that information very bold on all forms of advertising and in briefs etc so that people only end up playing at sites they are comfortable with like-minded players, also if a term can be devised which clearly distinguishes between regular Airsoft and the harder version then the KM style players can be insisted upon to not label their videos Airsoft so as to not tarnish your version.

welcome mate
Cheers, appreciated!!!

Everyone's a winner surely?
Sorry I didn't quote the whole comment as I realise it basically already disputes my response to rogerborg above in this post and it's your opinion which I've not said anything likely to change so I'll simply quote this bit and say no everyone's not a winner because those who differ in your opinion wouldn't be happy as is the problem in the whole world in any subject, everyone's different and want different things. One might argue that boxing should suffice as a combat sport and is the best method of safely beating each other up and these people spoke out against the rise in MMA but those in MMA were willing to take on more risk for their own reasons and now the sport is enjoyed throughout the world, still a combat sport but clearly defined as not boxing, maybe that's a reach but I think you get my gist.

I posted that I don't watch his videos, not that I've never seen one. 
Someone who only saw Amber Heards makeup skills and nothing else was likely seated in her corner being oblivious to the full picture, there's plenty of good conduct in his videos if one bothers to shed their pre-conditioned attitude and watch a fair portion from a neutral perspective.

That's because its taken him that many shots to actually hit them. Often you can see the bb floating off nowhere near the target, he adds the hit markers and bitches about "cheaters" for the clicks
As mentioned above, following the BB works both ways and I do, as I said there's the odd questionable one but more often than not the BB hits and the players body language shows a natural response to a hit without calling it which also brings into question the hot gun allegations since they so willing to take more. Again it seems like there's a hymn sheet being shared around and people just sing from it to stay in good standing in their own church.

For some reason one of his videos labelled ‘most terrifying airsoft injury’ popped up on my fb feed once. 
 

had to have a watch.

he basically puts his foot down a hole and rips his trousers ?

I guess I was hoping for open compound fractures or bunji pit impalement. 
He had a 3 to 4 inch gash on his leg and it looked pretty deep, you distort the truth sir and it discredits your integrity, also this terrible man everyone loves to hate insisted that the Marshalls deal with the broken grate before they deal with his wound in the interest of the safety of other players.

I guess these hymn sheets don't contain words and are merely a collection of bleets and baahs, I hope those who sing from it at least feel a sense of belonging for a while until they themselves make a mistake making them ready for the slaughter.

I shouldn't of piped up in the first place, I had hoped my suspicions would be proven wrong and in some cases I was surprised they were however the undertone is clear and I shall (depending on responses) do my best to move on from this thread allowing the mass to continue undisturbed by a non compliant opinion.

Good day and peace one and all!

 
When I say a hardcore version I don't necessarily mean change the power I just mean this field is for people who don't care where they get shot and take responsibility for their face/head protection. I see how you came to that considering the allegations include this firearm stuff, the problem is the number of allegations makes my post seem like I condone them all, I'm not advocating for or condoning those I'm simply saying could there not be a clear distinction between sights which allow headshots from particular ranges with particular weapons and fire rates and ones which don't whatsoever so you can all avoid each other and enjoy the game how you like to play it.


Appreciate you're stepping away from the thread but just to cherry pick this suggestion:  I hear what you suggesting but...

1)  I don't think the player-base, nor the availability of site (and game days) is big enough to support fracturing it to that extent... 

2) Where all the guns are obeying UK site limits the number of actual injuries seem to be pretty low.  In my (limited) experience I've seen a couple of drops of blood from shots hitting bony bits of the face, and of course hits in the mouth... but otherwise I wouldn't see any need to make a 'I can take the pain' game, because about the only thing that could involve is removing the MED rules (and snipers are supposed to be all about the 80m+ kills, aren't they?  They shouldn't be worried unduly by minimum 30m rule - it's a good excuse to buy an MP5k or a P90 ;))
Even the little kids running around with their parents at my site seem ok with yelling "ow" when they get hit, but they get on with it.
So as long as the gun isn't *illegally* powerful, it should be fine.
 

 
Hit a post limit for the day yesterday so couldn't respond, couldn't find a thread discussing post limits, anyone know how many posts per day and does it change based on forum rank? Thanks.

Hearsay to most of not all of the mob I reckon.

When I say a hardcore version I don't necessarily mean change the power I just mean this field is for people who don't care where they get shot and take responsibility for their face/head protection. I see how you came to that considering the allegations include this firearm stuff, the problem is the number of allegations makes my post seem like I condone them all, I'm not advocating for or condoning those I'm simply saying could there not be a clear distinction between sights which allow headshots from particular ranges with particular weapons and fire rates and ones which don't whatsoever so you can all avoid each other and enjoy the game how you like to play it.

I'd apologise for luring you from your hide however since I never stipulated which category I'd personally choose to play in or whether my reasons for a mask are purely cosmetic or safety or perhaps even medical it would seem you had a wasted journey of which I am not responsible. Perhaps your stirring can best be blamed on the psychology of mob rule in which safety in numbers inspires otherwise cowardly children to join a lynch mob.

I'm surprised you bothered to be honest, my original comment of making a rod for my own back was somewhat being proven wrong when every response was non personal and based on sharing knowledge and perspective about why they disagree with me until you surfaced.

Also find it odd that a comment mocking/belittling the wearing of face protection is recieving likes from people who argue responsible/safe gaming and how the sport is perceived by people outside the community such as parents of would be hobbyists being their motive behind disliking KM in the first place, perhaps some people are just hiding general dislike or jealousy behind virtuousness in order to get what they want or rid of who they don't want.

I also follow the BBS and not the hit markers and yet come to a different opinion. Granted I see some questionable ones but that's the case with every channel I've seen. Plenty of the cheater calls acknowledge their hits on a reaction level but just don't call it, some genuinely don't feel them which calls into question the whole power allegations and others as you say aren't hits in the first place.

Ok so this is basically what I've been trying to get at with the whole hardcore mode thing, perhaps instead of destroying individuals those with clout in this community could organise some sort of council of field operators whereby they clearly distinguish which type of field they are and why, make that information very bold on all forms of advertising and in briefs etc so that people only end up playing at sites they are comfortable with like-minded players, also if a term can be devised which clearly distinguishes between regular Airsoft and the harder version then the KM style players can be insisted upon to not label their videos Airsoft so as to not tarnish your version.

Cheers, appreciated!!!

Sorry I didn't quote the whole comment as I realise it basically already disputes my response to rogerborg above in this post and it's your opinion which I've not said anything likely to change so I'll simply quote this bit and say no everyone's not a winner because those who differ in your opinion wouldn't be happy as is the problem in the whole world in any subject, everyone's different and want different things. One might argue that boxing should suffice as a combat sport and is the best method of safely beating each other up and these people spoke out against the rise in MMA but those in MMA were willing to take on more risk for their own reasons and now the sport is enjoyed throughout the world, still a combat sport but clearly defined as not boxing, maybe that's a reach but I think you get my gist.

Someone who only saw Amber Heards makeup skills and nothing else was likely seated in her corner being oblivious to the full picture, there's plenty of good conduct in his videos if one bothers to shed their pre-conditioned attitude and watch a fair portion from a neutral perspective.

As mentioned above, following the BB works both ways and I do, as I said there's the odd questionable one but more often than not the BB hits and the players body language shows a natural response to a hit without calling it which also brings into question the hot gun allegations since they so willing to take more. Again it seems like there's a hymn sheet being shared around and people just sing from it to stay in good standing in their own church.

He had a 3 to 4 inch gash on his leg and it looked pretty deep, you distort the truth sir and it discredits your integrity, also this terrible man everyone loves to hate insisted that the Marshalls deal with the broken grate before they deal with his wound in the interest of the safety of other players.

I guess these hymn sheets don't contain words and are merely a collection of bleets and baahs, I hope those who sing from it at least feel a sense of belonging for a while until they themselves make a mistake making them ready for the slaughter.

I shouldn't of piped up in the first place, I had hoped my suspicions would be proven wrong and in some cases I was surprised they were however the undertone is clear and I shall (depending on responses) do my best to move on from this thread allowing the mass to continue undisturbed by a non compliant opinion.

Good day and peace one and all!
Dude, your coming across like an ignorant troll. 

Yep, opinions are like arse holes, we've all got one, but for many here, they're opinions are based on years of real world airsoft experience, not what they've seen on YouTube etc. 

Personally I think the fps limits are fine, cheaters are gonna cheat, unless you take them off their feet, hardly feasible lol 

 
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