General election

[Sitting Duck]

This is the section of the forum for non Airsoft stuff

Just a few things. Why don't you want the SNP and labour running the country?

The NHS in England could end up with an American style healthcare system with another 4years of Clegg and Cameron. Does the huge cuts on the horizon not concern you? the NHS cant take anymore cuts. We can scrap nuclear weapons and HS2. I have a aircraft carrier 10miles away that won't be used for 5years with another one being built but may be scrapped on completion would it not be better to cut those?

I've been in a situation where I lost my job aswell but I lost my house because of it and I got no help. The council said I would need to go to the Salvation Army for help. The job center took over a month to process my claim and make a partial payment of about £60 to last a fortnight. I'm in a situation now where I get raped on tax I made £800 in 1 week and walked out with £500 and what do I get if I need to go on the dole? Humiliated from people there to help make to feel like I'm a worthless despite working double shifts 7 days a week. We need a better distribution of wealth and Tories won't do that ever.

Labour I really don't trust they didn't leave us in good shape as they exited

Really unsure if bailing the Banks out was such a good idea - but we will never know the true real answer if we didn't

Funny if I screw up at work I have to be held accountable for my mistakes - wonder if my bank will pay my bills coz I'm a bit skint this month ???

SNP - hmmm - well previously this labour's main area to count on, but they nearly got their wish to breakaway from UK

(Not England - yeah I know there is a lot of banter between England & Scotland, but I'm talking about UK here)

Now they got certain powers to govern parts of their own country - which they always have had certain different laws banknotes etc....

Which is fine - but after the vote the rest of the UK was saying ok let them have more say in Scotland's governing but less in UK or England

40% wanted out but this much higher and it could of gone either way, and the vote may/will be brought up again so seems to me that SNP

didn't like the outcome - funny Salmond quit when he didn't the chance to be crowned king of scotland.

The vote may come up again - well yeah pretty sure it will as the SNP appears to bring out more patriotism in the Scottish people

Funny English Patriotism is referred to as racist though

Anyway - lets say at this present moment in time with support growing perhaps for a different final referendum result....

say 45% want out of UK - lets just hyperthectically say that 45%

So getting close to half of Scotland don't wanna be in UK - oh yeah let them form a coalition....

Now with whom - oh yeah Labour - the people that even the Scottish people don't trust and choose their own political party

Now these 2 parties who helped to start off this mess and half the others nearly don't wanna be in the UK

THESE 2 parties are gonna decide the future of the WHOLE UK ????

Yeah I think I will stick with the devil I do know and let the 2 other idiots have another stint and see if they can honour half of their promises at least

(half is quite a milestone in political terms btw)

 

[Esoterick]

They're all tits, it's a case of picking the best of a bad bunch. Not a huge fan of any of them, don't even like listening to them for the most part although I can listen to Farage even though I think the majority of the stuff that comes out his mouth is bollocks.

Pretty much it feels like a case of choosing whether you get stabbed or shot, either way it sucks. Last time loads of us(Brits) voted Lib dem and we get the tories by proxy? That just highlights how horrible our political system really is. If there was an option that said "none of these parties represent me or my beliefs" that would be what I would choose. As it stands I will be deciding who out of Labour and the Conservatives will do the least damage to the country and vote based on that. Not that they really have to follow through on anything they say to get in power it seems...

As far as Scotland goes, I think they should be free to make up their own minds. However it all seems very vague: there seems to be no indication on how trade with England would go, how borders would work, the currency used or trade with Europe. Admittedly I haven't followed this closely so I could well be mistaken but it seems to be based on a hell of a lot of assumptions. There are a hell of a lot of considerations to make basically outside of feeling patriotic and wanting independence.

I'm just wondering, why does everyone think Scotland gets a better deal from the UK because of free prescriptions and further education, Surely how the Scottish NHS / Government allocates its budget to allow for these things has nothing to do with the rest of the UK? They could be rolled out across the rest of the UK, it's just that there are things deemed more important by the budget makers surely?

Agreed on this point, it's an extremely flawed argument that Scotland is somehow leeching off the treasury. There's also reasonable evidence(although it appears to be debated) that Scotland actually contributes a great deal more than England economically to the point where the north sea oil fields are left out of some reports...

 

[Sitting Duck]

Sorry I should have said Britain is a diverse society now and we all benefit from it. But the point stands example North Korea has very little immigration and is sh*t the UK has open borders and is the 6th richest country in the world( that was a bit of a joke) but anyway I like fact we're part of the EU. If we leave the EU we would need to pay VAT on stuff from Taiwan gun or any other EU Airsoft shop think of that. Bye bye much cheapness.

I think I got nearly enough guns

actually we pay a higher rate of vat anyway on TWG - 23% i think

well last time I clocked invoice it said something like that

it is all more expensive than 6 months ago

I might get my duty free fags back now

 

[Josh95]

I think I got nearly enough guns

never enough lol

 

[Jambo88]

I'm just wondering, why does everyone think Scotland gets a better deal from the UK because of free prescriptions and further education, Surely how the Scottish NHS / Government allocates its budget to allow for these things has nothing to do with the rest of the UK? They could be rolled out across the rest of the UK, it's just that there are things deemed more important by the budget makers surely?

As for the whole Scottish Army stuff, I dont see us going off to start any wars any time soon, why wouldnt a defence force like Ireland's suffice us? We contribute far more in tax to the MOD than they actually spend in Scotland, I can't remember the figures but it was something like a 1/3 extra we pay to have it spent elsewhere.

Not that I'm trying to go all Pro indy here, just saying a lot of the "better deal" arguements tend to be nonsense, the power that the Scottish Government has allows them to make things this way, blame not us who you percieve as having a better deal but the British government for not giving you the same deal surely.

The British government want to protect the rich so people in England will never get the same deal as us.

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

I respect your priorities,

Apprenticeships are already a popular choice with young people (a lot of my friends did apprenticeships).

However graduates ARE a vital part of the GLOBAL economy not just the UK a world without graduates would not function. the future generation needs engineers and academics, would you trust a surgeon with only basic levels of education? of course not. A lot of countries in the EU have FREE higher education, and theyre doing better than us eg: Denmark...

Have you ever looked at income tax rates in Denmark? Think I would rather pay for my kids to go to uni.

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

The British government want to protect the rich so people in England will never get the same deal as us.

Thats because you never see a Prime Minister who was raised on a council estate. Its called the House of Lords for a reason. We havent really moved on from medieval times we just try to put a more civilised coating on it.

 

[Jambo88]

Labour I really don't trust they didn't leave us in good shape as they exited

Really unsure if bailing the Banks out was such a good idea - but we will never know the true real answer if we didn't

Funny if I screw up at work I have to be held accountable for my mistakes - wonder if my bank will pay my bills coz I'm a bit skint this month ???

SNP - hmmm - well previously this labour's main area to count on, but they nearly got their wish to breakaway from UK

(Not England - yeah I know there is a lot of banter between England & Scotland, but I'm talking about UK here)

Now they got certain powers to govern parts of their own country - which they always have had certain different laws banknotes etc....

Which is fine - but after the vote the rest of the UK was saying ok let them have more say in Scotland's governing but less in UK or England

40% wanted out but this much higher and it could of gone either way, and the vote may/will be brought up again so seems to me that SNP

didn't like the outcome - funny Salmond quit when he didn't the chance to be crowned king of scotland.

The vote may come up again - well yeah pretty sure it will as the SNP appears to bring out more patriotism in the Scottish people

Funny English Patriotism is referred to as racist though

Anyway - lets say at this present moment in time with support growing perhaps for a different final referendum result....

say 45% want out of UK - lets just hyperthectically say that 45%

So getting close to half of Scotland don't wanna be in UK - oh yeah let them form a coalition....

Now with whom - oh yeah Labour - the people that even the Scottish people don't trust and choose their own political party

Now these 2 parties who helped to start off this mess and half the others nearly don't wanna be in the UK

THESE 2 parties are gonna decide the future of the WHOLE UK ????

Yeah I think I will stick with the devil I do know and let the 2 other idiots have another stint and see if they can honour half of their promises at least

(half is quite a milestone in political terms btw)

Scotland got lied to about the new powers. The No campain was all lies and using the BBC and business leaders to undermine the yes campain who were more positive about Scotland and that's why they gained so much support the no campain was all negitive. The final outcome was a no vote so why should we have less of a say in the UK? The Union needs Scotland more than we need it and that was very clear last year now it's back to slapping up down.

Our SNP government has done a good job so why won't you let them try improve the whole of the UK?

 

[Jambo88]

Thats because you never see a Prime Minister who was raised on a council estate. Its called the House of Lords for a reason. We havent really moved on from medieval times we just try to put a more civilised coating on it.

What about the house of commons?

 

[Sitting Duck]

Scotland got lied to about the new powers. The No campain was all lies and using the BBC and business leaders to undermine the yes campain who were more positive about Scotland and that's why they gained so much support the no campain was all negitive. The final outcome was a no vote so why should we have less of a say in the UK? The Union needs Scotland more than we need it and that was very clear last year now it's back to slapping up down.

Our SNP government has done a good job so why won't you let them try improve the whole of the UK?

Scotland got lied to - by who politicians, media and other people in power

Welcome my friend to the REAL world we all live in

I don't want to start a SCOT Vs ENGLAND war - but if the Scots were mislead/brainwashed/lied to that sounds to me like a normal election campaign

Really - you wanna try and manage something you didn't wanna be envolved with

with another party you no longer vote for or trust to deliver

I know you may not love the English or rest of UK but surely you don't hate us that much

(stop calling me Shirley)

 

[sp00n]

the problem i have with the snp is they seem to blame everything on Westminster

and plz keep salmon!!

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

What about the house of commons?

House of commons is classed as the lower house of parliament which says it all. Really doubt there are that many people who are from normal walks of life in it.

 

[Jambo88]

Scotland got lied to - by who politicians, media and other people in power

Welcome my friend to the REAL world we all live in

I don't want to start a SCOT Vs ENGLAND war - but if the Scots were mislead/brainwashed/lied to that sounds to me like a normal election campaign

Really - you wanna try and manage something you didn't wanna be envolved with

with another party you no longer vote for or trust to deliver

I know you may not love the English or rest of UK but surely you don't hate us that much

(stop calling me Shirley)

We live under Westminster rule so if we can have a say on things that are going to effect us then why would we turn it down?

I don't mind English people, either people are decent or arseholes doesn't matter about nationality. I don't think there's too much anti English feeling up here anyway apart from supporting any team you play in the World Cup as I'm sure would happen if we ever made it.

I know politicians lie so who do you think is going to be the biggest lier a politician who wants to leave the Union or one that wants to control it?

 

[Jambo88]

House of commons is classed as the lower house of parliament which says it all. Really doubt there are that many people who are from normal walks of life in it.

its because the poor need the rich to tell them how to live . we need a PM that plays Airsoft that would make Airsoft guns a VAT free item and have mandatory lessons in gearbox maintenance at school.

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

its because the poor need the rich to tell them how to live . we need a PM that plays Airsoft that would make Airsoft guns a VAT free item and have mandatory lessons in gearbox maintenance at school.

If we are going to have the PM play airsoft bring back Blair I would love to stick a bb in those teeth.

 

[Jambo88]

If we are going to have the PM play airsoft bring back Blair I would love to stick a bb in those teeth.

We could bring back Maggie and have a zombie game. Brown would also be good he's fat and old, I see him in the high street quite often I will ask him if he wants to come

 

[Sitting Duck]

I know politicians lie so who do you think is going to be the biggest lier a politician who wants to leave the Union or one that wants to control it?

THEY ALL LIE - how depends on how much they need to bull$hit you to get YOUR vote

I'm done on this coz I respect all of you on here & your own views, even if they are very different to my own

Just make up your own minds and please be sure to vote with heart & head - but hopefully try to vote if you can

I hate people that moan about stuff - but didn't vote, well what ya moaning for if you ducked one simple X on a bit of paper

60 to 65% won't want the main party in and a lot more wouldn't want them to probably form a coalition with "them"

So its gonna be a right free for ballsed up mess that didn't want - but try to vote anyway coz think we need a good turnout at least

baggsie bringing a bloody hot gun with Brown's name on it - no not coz he's Scottish

Just hate the bastid - but hope he brings Milliband

actually bring them all along they all need lighting up

 

[sp00n]

If it wasn't for hollyrood Scotland would have been battered by thatcher like cuts. The SNP has helped make the NHS here better than the rest of the UK by increasing spending. We get free prescriptions and higher education that's why we need a government in Edinburgh. Also sturgeon isn't standing as a MP so won't have any say in English politics were sending big salmond down for that.

It doesn't matter who Scotland votes for because we're small and less than 1/10th the population of England. The Tories have 1 Westminster seat in Scotland. A area in the borders voted them in that has a low population but they are the party that rules the UK. Also Tony Blair was scottish but as I said the UK runs for the benefit of London. being apart of the Union is the same as the UK being in the EU because Brussels controls Westminster and Westminster controls Scotland so either way it's us that gets spit roasted.

I watched that debate on stv and every question farage answered started off with cutting immigration. Watch it it's on catch up. He is another Nick griffen I watched something the other week on CH4 and he was interviewed and he said he wants British people to get jobs over forgeiners but he forgets British people are pretty lazy and a lot of people would turn down a job picking fruit or cleaning toilets but under a points system those people that do those jobs won't get in. The freedom of movement is brilliant I have lived in Kraków because of freedom of movement I have met very good friends from over Europe but he wants to stop that. Britain is built on diversity and he wants to end that.

so let me get this straight, you get better education, free prescriptions etc etc ... and you think you should get more??

yeah you are right some people are lazy gits, and what you are forgetting is if you do turn down jobs, after so long you loose dole etc (or you did when i had a 2 week spell many years ago might have changed now). what he wants to stop is people benefit flocking to britian ...

I got a tax statment recently, and a 3rd of what i pay goes on other peoples "welfare", not mine. The benefit state needs to end.

 

[Jambo88]

so let me get this straight, you get better education, free prescriptions etc etc ... and you think you should get more??

yeah you are right some people are lazy gits, and what you are forgetting is if you do turn down jobs, after so long you loose dole etc (or you did when i had a 2 week spell many years ago might have changed now). what he wants to stop is people benefit flocking to britian ...

I got a tax statment recently, and a 3rd of what i pay goes on other peoples "welfare", not mine. The benefit state needs to end.

Yes because we pay more into the pot per head but let's look for away that we could increase England and Wales share. Scrap trident were not going to have a nuclear war and all it does is makes Scotland a target. Get rid of the £4bn train set. Make it worthwhile for people to work. A tax exemption of £15000 would help the people who struggle most meaning the could get a house but a car etc... But you would need to raise tax on the well off and politians are in that category so it won't happen. It was our hollyrood government that made it possible for free education they could have spent that money on rubbish like the Westminster government has done.

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

This is getting a bit heavy and bitchy I am out. Just remember the government is meant to be employees of the people until everybody unites and tells them we have had enough it wont change.