G&G - Do You Think They Have Too Many Rifles

[ImTriggerHappy]

Unkind but true ☺

But if you use the 30k with a 7.4v lipo and an m100 it works lovely and means people don't have to swap the motor out for a lonex or ultimate motor (both of which are cheaper than your 30k) to get the same trigger response as you get with the 30k motor.

Yes you're listening but it is a bit of a mistake. I am not saying your guns are awful because they are not I have recommended them to enough people (probably responsible for more sales than your nonexistent UK advertising) just trying to nudge you in the right direction.

Edit; Might see if I can sue for a sales commission.

 

[Sitting Duck]

Whoa... stop right there. Are you implying KRYTAC is a rebrand?

It was the bit:

Doing the job properly - well better

Echo take JG n others and improve upon them

And meant Krytac = job properly as well

well better - meaning always room for improvement

Eg mk2 and could use 30k, m120 and SS like TM Hi cycle

But yeah kinda understand 20k a bit to prolong life a bit if nutters wanna run 11.1v on STD m100 setup etc...

Also I'm sure if UK specs were running quicker than US some may not like that too much

 

[PT247]

I run both a 20k motor and a 30k motor on my Krytacs. The 20k on 7.4 is a bit sluggish but shoots amazing at 350fps. The 30k with an 11.1 is fantastic and shoots at 410fps on the SPR. I have actually fitted the PDW upper onto my SPR lower so was shooting around 350fps on the 30k motor and using an 11.1v battery, the gun ran fantastically, so well I am actually tempted to run that setup as my normal set up. I don't get why Krytac or the UK distributor if it was from them think that it won't run right, the only reason I can think for giving us the 20k motor is to save them money.

 

[Allizard]

I figured L2Read would be offensive.

You can write whatever you like.

The fact that there is currently legislation going through our Parliament at the moment is all the proof you need that your distributor is fully of sh*t. Still, its really good that you're willing to optimise your goods for other markets.

Might I ask, generally 11.1 is the least common voltage I have encountered in use, are you saying that you put in the 20K motor on the off chance that if someone applied a 11.1 battery the gun might not operate as expected? Wouldn't it have been easier just to say "do not use with 11.1" rather than making changes?

Excellent question.

11.1v is the most common here in US. You don't find many players using 7.4v. UK market is new to us and we do depend on what our distributor told us. If UK legislation said 400+ FPS is allowed then it's a lot easier on us. Actually if you can provide the actual link would be great.

It is possible the gun or ANY gun will fire a double shot on SEMI when you paired a high torque motor with a Sub-m120 spring plus high discharged 11.1v lipo. we see it more often here in US as I'd just explained. Especially those people who love to use high C rating batteries from RC hobbyist.

The 1st batch of Krytac guns when to UK does have the 30K motor. (20K motor wasn't available at time) and the gun have m105 spring. We know is it very likely a 11.1v lipo will over spin and cause the double shoot. We did included a label with the gun to recommend using 7.4 or 9.6v.

See attach pic.

With that said, I admit we were a bit ill prepared for the UK market and it's generally unknown territory for us. This is why I begin to visit UK forums and try to get to know more people. So.... let me know if you've got any suggestions. Our position toward airsoft community hasn't changed. All of us in the US office also play airsoft. We just want to make something that fit what the player's want. We are pretty successful in US and in Japan. I think we can do the same for UK and EU. Just give us sometime to hash out the details.

For those you like to contact me on Facebook. Just search for Kriss Allen.

Allen Lau

Product Manager

KRISS USA

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[ImTriggerHappy]

11.1v is the most common here in US. You don't find many players using 7.4v. UK market is new to us and we do depend on what our distributor told us.

With that said, I admit we were a bit ill prepared for the UK market and it's generally unknown territory for us. This is why I begin to visit UK forums and try to get to know more people. So.... let me know if you've got any suggestions. Our position toward airsoft community hasn't changed. All of us in the US office also play airsoft. We just want to make something that fit what the player's want. We are pretty successful in US and in Japan. I think we can do the same for UK and EU. Just give us sometime to hash out the details.

Krytac have done a good job so far and have obviously listened to what players want. Just carry on doing that and keep the QC standards high and I am sure you will end up with a bigger market share.
Have you thought about a different distributor or having more direct contact with the sales outlets yourselves. It seems like they dont understand the market and are the thing thats letting you down more than your actual product.

As I pointed out earlier the advertising and product promotion has been poor and most of your sales success has happened because of word of mouth.

 

[Sacarathe]

Excellent question.

11.1v is the most common here in US. You don't find many players using 7.4v. UK market is new to us and we do depend on what our distributor told us. If UK legislation said 400+ FPS is allowed then it's a lot easier on us. Actually if you can provide the actual link would be great.

Well your distributor was not wrong on general practice, but it's not a legal restriction, at least not yet. You can probably see that this legislation in it's current state contains contradictions which make it very difficult to enforce, but the thought is there on the lethality thresholds (assuming eye protection).

If you were able to modify the gun's component balance, couldn't you find a way to make it refuse to fire when presented with voltage other than 7.4 and 9.6 ?

I've actually never seen a player clutching or claiming to use a 11.1v battery offline. AFAIK its mostly 9.6 NiMH‎ and 7.4 LiPo.

 

[PT247]

If you were able to modify the gun's component balance, couldn't you find a way to make it refuse to fire when presented with voltage other than 7.4 and 9.6 ?

I've actually never seen a player clutching or claiming to use a 11.1v battery offline. AFAIK its mostly 9.6 NiMH‎ and 7.4 LiPo.

All my AEGs (x 3) are designed to run on 11.1v LiPos, it is only because the Krytac PDW has such a small battery compartment that I run 7.4v in that as it takes too long fiddling to get my 11.1 in it.

 

[Sitting Duck]

Think you can get a very good rof/response with just a 7.4v if done well

but I got say 75% 7.4v's in my lipo collection - usually 25c

smaller, cheaper etc....

Anyone know the gearing used ? - 18:1 or 16:1 like I found in a VFC 416 box I think it was

normally found that it is about 25rps + that serious over-run & double firing starts to take place on m100/105 setup

If that gun starts to over-run or double fire on 7.4v - you would have to be an idiot to try a similar 11.1v in there = CRUNCH

Think tbh with a 7.4v & 30k you can't be hitting much more than 20rps or @ 30+ on 11.1v you will get problems

If however Krytac have their own Fairy or Pixie dust in there like TM - can somebody tell me my nearest stockist please

(All the dust I bought on fleabay looks like it came out of somebody's vacuum cleaner and just clogs up the gears)

 

[PT247]

My SPR is semi only and tbh I only ever shoot semi anyhows unless I come across someone bulletproof so I don't know what RPS the PDW is either.

 

[Sitting Duck]

The SPR will be fine if it shoots 410fps - gotta be m125 in there so will slow the gun quickly...

it is when people take this pi$$ (like moi)

when people take the pi$$ on std uk stuff this "can" get risky

still looking for the pixie dust though - can this be bought through Krytac dealers

actually forget the dust a sec - the words dust and dealers may attract the wrong people to this thread - my bad

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

If however Krytac have their own Fairy or Pixie dust in there like TM - can somebody tell me my nearest stockist please

(All the dust I bought on fleabay looks like it came out of somebody's vacuum cleaner and just clogs up the gears)

TM ran out of stocks of magic fairy dust years ago. Now they are more reliant on Placebo Powder. If you go to you local airsoft shop its usually kept next the the snake oil. If you hit the G&G section you have gone too far down the bullshit aisle.

 

[PT247]

The SPR will be fine if it shoots 410fps - gotta be m125 in there so will slow the gun quickly...

it is when people take this pi$$ (like moi)

when people take the pi$$ on std uk stuff this "can" get risky

still looking for the pixie dust though - can this be bought through Krytac dealers

actually forget the dust a sec - the words dust and dealers may attract the wrong people to this thread - my bad

aye M125.

 

[BrightCandle]

Just wanted to confirm that the Krytac SPR I have with a 30k motor overspins and double shoots at 350fps with a 11.1V. Its fine with a 7.4V and it produces about 24rps so its more than enough ROF given that spring. I have modified it to be semi only and 420 fps now so its not going to overspin on a 11.1V if I used it anymore but I haven't tried that yet. Its the best gun I have in terms of finish and stock configuration no doubt about it and I wouldn't want to receive a 20k motor, I was a bit pissed off that someone in the supply chain had replaced the 400 fps spring with a 315 fps one frankly.

 

[Sitting Duck]

TM ran out of stocks of magic fairy dust years ago. Now they are more reliant on Placebo Powder. If you go to you local airsoft shop its usually kept next the the snake oil. If you hit the G&G section you have gone too far down the bullshit aisle.

Oi - behave, well yeah kinda understand it a bit with recent "new & not so improved" G&G's

In my case that is the broken/faulty gun aisle, but hope to finally assemble this 90% SHS & 10% G&G mofo shell back together for weekend

unless I find anything other "made of toffee/dairy lea" G&G quality engineering....

 

[jcheeseright]

I use 11.1v LiPo exclusively, why cock around with 7.4 when you can have more oomph?

 

[Sitting Duck]

it depends on each individual person and gun

battery space and how beefy you wish to go really along with what batteries you already have to hand

20 up to 33rps can be achieved on just a 7.4v SSG with neodym motors (later figure is with higher speed gears & SS)

40rps - heard somebody got 45rps on a DSG on 7.4v but dunno what final fps was

The figures could be nunged up some more if you choose to run 60c mofo lipo's

Then add in nearly 50% if you replace 7.4v with 11.1v and you got a stupid hose machine that is just beyond stupid

End of day - for most people:

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

I use 11.1v LiPo exclusively, why cock around with 7.4 when you can have more oomph?

Because some guns dont need 11.1v. A really well set up gun will only need a 7.4v to run well. My Sig actually has issues with a 30c 7.4v and runs better with an old school 9.6v nimh and I still get 22rps and a good trigger response.Every gun is different.