Ffs What Has Happened to Airsoft With This Influx of Single Shot Only Sites. WTF ( Contains Potty Language )

[Adolf Hamster]

Trouble is people tend to think overkill is suitable justice for someone not taking a hit though so they put half a mag into them. Things get rowdy and then it’s semi only rather than just moving on or reporting the player

although on contrast we also have the "two shots!? you serious mate?" type who think being pinged more than once before they've called a hit is overkill.

 

[Cannonfodder]

although on contrast we also have the "two shots!? you serious mate?" type who think being pinged more than once before they've called a hit is overkill.

Often also the ones who wear only glasses then moan about being shot it the face. 

Just to clarify I'm not condoning deliberate head shots when the whole body or torso is exposed, just those who peek out from cover only giving their face as a target and start bitching when shot

 

[Adolf Hamster]

Often also the ones who wear only glasses then moan about being shot it the face. 

Just to clarify I'm not condoning deliberate head shots when the whole body or torso is exposed, just those who peek out from cover only giving their face as a target and start bitching when shot

Funny enough i'm a glasses only guy.

But as i said earlier its not getting hit in the face is the problem, even on auto, its when someone does it intentionally.

I aim centre of mass of what i see, if thats a face then thats what i shoot at, if i have a full body shot i'll generally be aiming at the stomach

 

[XanderShadow]

In an indoor arena, or inside a building; I can see it. You don't want someone to come around a corner and put 10+ rounds into you at close range, that shits gonna suck something serious. But.. if you're going to be playing with a serious CQB focus? Chances are you're running pistols or shotguns anyway.

Outside though? in forests and the like? there's sodding foliage and the like we've got to deal with often deflecting or outright stopping rounds, so putting out rapid bursts of fire is often the most effective way of ensuring a couple get through bushes and the like to hit the target. Especially at the often longer distances you're encountering between players in those scenarios.

I think some of this "Semi Only" mentality is trickling into site admin stuff from the GBBR/Core Milsim crowds. The folks who're only ever carrying small amounts of ammo per game for the sense of 'realism', so can't afford to just let loose with thirty rounds in one pull from a 120+rng magazine like most AEG's can.
That kind of thinking is fine at say a Gas only event, or at a mil-sim... but at your average field, on an average day? folks just want to gear up, get going; and have fun watching tiny plastic balls swarm the sky like gnats in summer.

 

[Rogerborg]

I think some of this "Semi Only" mentality is trickling into site admin stuff from the GBBR/Core Milsim crowds. The folks who're only ever carrying small amounts of ammo per game for the sense of 'realism', so can't afford to just let loose with thirty rounds in one pull from a 120+rng magazine like most AEG's can.

Possibly, and along with others here, I'd be OK with that - I also prefer semi auto (or short bursts at ~10rps) even in woodland.

But if so I'd expect there to be milsimmish exceptions for set-up support guns (rather than a Firehawk with a drug mag).

Absent that, I'd be more minded to assume that it's due to someone getting hosed down by a wanker-gun and crying foul.  Possibly a marshal or the site owner.

Has anyone asked woodland site owners why they have semi-only rules?

 

[alxndrhll]

Has anyone asked woodland site owners why they have semi-only rules?

First one to claim it’s because they’re being more environmentally conscious gets a cookie for thinking fast on their feet.

 

[Lozart]

F&O: The Base CQC?

Yes!

They also got a bit ancy if you shot for more than a second.

What if you have a slow ROF? 

Well, that explains a lot then. They used to allow full auto as long as you were outside the buildings (and not firing into one). When they changed it to no full auto within 3 feet of as building (which wasn't policed very well) it sucked balls anyway especially as I'd taken my LMG that day!

In principle I have no issue with it but don't tell people it's fine to use support weapons then tell them there's a 3 foot square you can use it in.

 

[Shamal]

Might be a few miniguns going cheap!

Regards 

 

[Shenaf]

The site I play (woodland) is full auto everywhere but in buildings is limited to 3 second bursts. I play mainly in semi but it’s nice to switch to auto if behind a bush to actually have a chance to get a bb through or if I’m laying down suppressive fire. There is no bang rule just a gentleman’s surrender which normally ends in a trade. I don’t think I would go if it changed to single shot only. 

 

[SuckMySock]

I haven't been playing airsoft for long.

I either play at local CQB arena which is semi only (makes sense as there is no MED and power limits are either 100 m/s or 130 m/s, depending on the day). Even when I play outdoors there tend to be rules like being allowed to carry only 2 or 3 mid caps or having to complete in-game objective to unlock burst/full auto. So I guess I could live without full auto at all. Tho I would love to hear what folks from Germany would say on this subject

 

[Groot]

Maybe we just all need to make DSG wanker guns with binary triggers and just make single shot ROF a redundant issue, so the sites give up and go back to just marshaling their players?

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[Rogerborg]

Maybe we just all need to make DSG wanker guns with binary triggers and just make single shot ROF a redundant issue, so the sites give up and go back to just marshaling their players?

"Bro, you only said no full auto, bro."

I agree, and, for those who haven't seen it, we're talking about this shit right here.

 

[Groot]

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[remus]

mostly playing springer shotgun recently and also being someone who likes to double tap as i dont trust the tri shot to properly connect all the time.... been playing at a cqb site and has semi only which is fair as not really range to justify full auto. have seen some great plays that noone would risk with full auto threat. but then they also have a few speedsofters with pistols on hpa with m4 mags and hairline triggers... and 1 joule power limits anyway. im fine with larger mag sizes but not rof. plus how it seems such is played is like running blind and shooting as soon as gun is round corner and not based on eye sight. obviously some players need such advantages because a level playing field isnt fair on them or something....

 

[Rogerborg]

I'm glad to say that pre-firing and exploitation of wanker-guns got stamped on at Biohazard airsoft today.  The marshals were volubly on top of the (semi-auto) ROF and took a few folk aside to explain that 3-shots-pause doesn't mean 3 as fast as you can spam them and then smaller paws than a pygmy shrew.

 

[TheFull9]

After reading through all this seems to me like most people are basically on the same page really lol.  Every game I've played has been single indoors, auto mostly allowed outside, never really had a big issue in that regard.

It always seems to me like there's very few issues you can't overcome with a real simple ammo limit, just a few hundred BBs on your person.  If idiots want to build the most wanky over-shoot guns in the world they'll very soon run out of shots.  Most people will abide by the rule, I get you can't frisk everyone leaving the safe zone but if you see some sneaky c-bag pulling extra mags out of the depths of a backpack mid-game you just let the staff know, same as any other cheating, I don't think the culprits will last long.  Every event of airsoft I've ever participated in personally has been better with ammo limits, it's the best, easiest and cheapest way to level the playing field as much as possible that I know of.

R/Semi only outdoors clearly makes DMRs the only option as mentioned then it becomes even more of a money war over who's got the best upgrades to get that bit more range and that side of things is bad enough already with the current model and only serves to disadvantage the budget guns further.

 

[Rogerborg]

I'm in favour of voluntary ammo limits for mil/filmsim, for those who want to sign up for that.

Imposing it as a blanket rule on a site is unlikely to get full compliance though, and every rule that you make and then don't enforce just encourages players to ignore any other rule that they don't like either.

So I'd prefer firmer marshalling of fewer rules, i.e. don't be a hose-monster versus limited ammo and don't be a hose-monster.

 

[Tackle]

I'm in favour of voluntary ammo limits for mil/filmsim, for those who want to sign up for that.

So I'd prefer firmer marshalling of fewer rules, i.e. don't be a hose-monster versus limited ammo and don't be a hose-monster.

I'd like to see sites, maybe all of them ?, to run games alternately, one game with ammo limits/semi, the next game "anything goes", & so on, some players would experience an alternative to their usual playing style, & some sites might find certain settings work better for for their clientele, & maybe their income stream ?.

 

[Rogerborg]

I'd like to see sites, maybe all of them ?, to run games alternately, one game with ammo limits/semi, the next game "anything goes", & so on, some players would experience an alternative to their usual playing style, & some sites might find certain settings work better for for their clientele, & maybe their income stream ?.

Now, that's a good idea.  Even if it's only a short game with ammo limits, just to get people thinking about it.

 

[TheFull9]

I'm in favour of voluntary ammo limits for mil/filmsim, for those who want to sign up for that.

Imposing it as a blanket rule on a site is unlikely to get full compliance though, and every rule that you make and then don't enforce just encourages players to ignore any other rule that they don't like either.

So I'd prefer firmer marshalling of fewer rules, i.e. don't be a hose-monster versus limited ammo and don't be a hose-monster.

Full compliance no of course, that's why I covered that off already, but in a game where everyone turns up on the basis of an idea that we're playing based purely on integrity my feeling is most would and the small number of people breaking that can be weeded out.  That's just my conjecture though obviously I can't prove a thing, it'd work as well as the player base is honest, same as hit taking and literally every other rule that there's ever been in airsoft.  So yeah, those words are worth whatever someone reading them thinks they are.