Ffs What Has Happened to Airsoft With This Influx of Single Shot Only Sites. WTF ( Contains Potty Language )

[PopRocket123]

I don't know if they still do but I remember reading in UCAP Bunker's rules that you were limited on how make mags you could carry if you were using high caps but not if you were running mids

 

[Tackle]

Can we agree at 100 round midcaps?

Nope, Lo's, except support, they can have 300 rd hi-caps with 5 second burst limit.

I'm not asking anyone to shit in a bag & recycle their piss, just put some thought in to what we're replicating, & if they want to be a hosemonster, then they've got to put in a bit more effort.

Some of the limited ammo games I've played have been the best in twenty years of playing, if everyone abides by it then it works well, except when my team went to longmoor, touted as a lo-cap only game, pretty much visitors versus the home team/regulars, apparently the home side felt the lo-cap rule didn't apply to them & were hosing the shit out of everybody, & were also impervious to being hit as well, which the marshalling team thought was hilarious, glad they had a laugh, we vowed never to return & as we were a team of up to twenty-ish players at that time, that's a lot of future revenue to be losing, & a lot of others felt the same. ?

 

[Rogerborg]

This is where good marshalling makes all the difference, not silly rules you can easily circumvent

Agreed.  If Captain Minigun turns up with his 30rps DSG (or 40rps scuba gun) and lets rip with long bursts, the solution isn't to limit everyone to semi-auto.  It's to ask, then tell him to keep it to short bursts.

And the problem is the player not the gun. In the "no full auto in buildings" video that I'm thinking of where the tosser is pre-firing semi in CQB faster than most folk can fire auto, that's a choice. The gun isn't making him do it. I'd expect him to just be yeeted right off the site.  One player's fees aren't worth the cost of setting the aspiration bar that high for every 16 year old who sees that and starts saving up his paper round money for a punishment gun just like it.

 

[Cyberlawyer]

From my perspective this would become self regulating if everyone were forced to use realistic(ish) magazine capacities. You would see a lot more semi auto fire and full auto would nearly always be short controlled bursts (except for support weapons, which is fair). In this scenario if someone wants to dump a whole mag at every bush that moves, go for it, they might overshoot a few people and piss them off, but they will soon get bored after they run out of ammo after 10 minutes and that's the end of their game until the turn around.

 

[FreeFrag.UK]

I think the posts made by @Rogerborg pretty much hit the nail on the head to be honest.

I can't say I've encountered many who share my mentality but I much prefer my guns rate of fire to be as close as possible to their real counterpart and I've never understood this need to push guns into silly rates of fire. While I'd never try and pressure someone into playing in a manner to match my play style or approach to airsoft, I do think there needs to be some level of mutual respect and acknowledgement of what constitutes as reasonable versus the realms of simply taking the piss.

Personally I love Luke's approach over at Negative Airsoft and his refusal to build "wanker guns" as he puts it.

Full auto definitely has a place in airsoft but based on what I've seen in the online community there also seems to be a massive drive towards drum mag's and similar shenanigans which, at least for me, take away from the spirit of the game. Especially when you see pistols with Stanag mag's or dum mag's hanging out of the bottom, if you want that then use a damn rifle/SMG/LMG.

 

[EDcase]

Hahaha, you just beat me to it FreeFrag.  I also think rate of fire should be closer to the real weapons but unfortunately that's never going to happen.

I tend to use 2x hi-caps to keep mag count down (cheaper and easier to carry) but I still use semi most of the time.

I think full auto in the woods is fine but some people over do it and I hate those stupid high ROF sprayers. 

Last game I went to I got hit by a burst of 7 shots in my back when I came up to a guy and tried to duck behind cover.

Didn't say anything but was annoying.

 

[AlphaBear]

At my site we always have one 2hr game which is semi only. It makes the gameplay varied and you have to think carefully on your ammo usage. If you run out it's tough kitties! It just makes the whole experience more enjoyable. Then the rest of the day is the usual mix of semi & auto... The last game is always full auto annihilation  of both teams and that's always fun and full of laughs......

 

[PopRocket123]

Those trashing high rof builds I think are mainly talking about the wanker guns and laser beams. My dad built a DSG pistol that shoots around 45rps with a 900 round fat mag but it's got such a short barrel that shoots around 300fps and it's intentionally hideously inaccurate so you need the rof just to hit anything. It's so fun to use that on the odd occasion where someone has been accidentally overshot they take it in good humour and often come to chat about it and have a go afterwards. 

 

[Rogerborg]

Those trashing high rof builds I think are mainly talking about the wanker guns and laser beams.

And those who use them for effect, which is what I'd expect has resulted in full-auto bans.

Although we could ask the site owners, I guess.

 

[Cr0-Magnon]

Laws & rules have always been established around the worst members of society. Like Ricky Gervais character in Afterlife states "I do go around murdering as much as I want" Which is not at all....".

I know people are against drum mags but they are something you can get for real guns and I use one on my Scorpion Evo purely for the convenience of ammo carrying. Not because I've tuned it to fire 60rps and I want to do 30 second bursts of full-auto. It is a shame that we've gotten to the point where we have to be told not to full-auto eachother from a few metres away. 

 

[Adolf Hamster]

JuSt LeArN tO AiM.

That's the major (bullshit) argument in favour of semi only.

Yeah, as if tiny lightweight plastic pellets were known for their super duper consistency when fired by what's essentially a super expensive glorified musket.

Thank god I'm in a country where we don't have such stupid limitations.

i consider it an acheivement if i can get a gun to be accurate enough where my aim is worse than the gun, needless to say it's a rare acheivement.

there's also the issue of being deflected by leaves, wind etc.

granted i so mostly play semi auto but generally i still like having auto as a backup.

the whole point is escalation, start off sending 1 round, and if that doesn't work keep sending more until you've persuaded the fella to take the walk.

for me i'd summarize the problem i have with folk using auto as such:

case study 1: i'm hiding in a gap in some hedges, fella comes round a corner and my 1 round from the dragonuv misses by inches, i duck down only to catch a burst to the face. because it's had to go through the hedge it doesn't hit that hard although it catches me off-guard enough to get an "oof" reaction. this is fine though because: he was aiming at my stomach, and i only caught it to the face because i ducked, he was shooting through hedges where a single shot might not have made it through he went to apologize the moment he realized what had happened.

case study 2: i'm fighting in a bunker, hell of a lot of folk are pushing from the front which means i don't notice folk sneaking around behind. next thing you know i catch a broadside to the face through the door.

now this pisses me off because i didn't duck, the fella was close enough where he had to be aiming at my face, despite having a full silhouette to choose from.

 

[Skara]

That is common sense tho.

I don't have to, it's more like a courtesy I do to people, but up close I automatically switch to semi. I don't even think about it, it comes naturally.

I get your point though, my post was more about the semi only period rule. I find it stupid for longer ranges..

 

[Adolf Hamster]

That is common sense tho.

I don't have to, it's more like a courtesy I do to people, but up close I automatically switch to semi. I don't even think about it, it comes naturally.

I get your point though, my post was more about the semi only period rule. I find it stupid for longer ranges..

agreed, these days i generally tend to run semi and use trigger spamming instead of auto, means i'm in much more control of how much plastic i'm sending downrange.

that said, i have ran wanker guns in the past, and whilst 40rps might be great for punching through all the foliage it's not really the best option when trying not to be an ass if your shortest burst still sends 3-4 rounds downrange.

of course that came about by assuming my equipment, and not the target, was the reason people weren't calling hits.....

 

[Albiscuit]

I have been to sites recently who have enforces Semi only due to overkill and players not playing within the spirit of the game, this I understand.

I have also played at a place with no minimum engagement distance for ANYONE (inc snipers) with no limit of full auto and everyone just peppering each other shouting at people to call their hits while dumping half a hi cap into them whilst they cannot shout hit as they are shouting ouch, or cannot be heard over the super high ROF guns everyone seemed to have had built for this site. 

I know which one I would play at again...

I think Airsoft Plantation have it right, full auto stands but switch to semi under 30m or in certain areas. This is easy to enforce, makes sense (I mean you only need one shot to take someone out) and is fairer on all the players.

During my time playing airsoft I only tend to use semi, I barely use full auto and see no need personally. But I am not adverse to getting shot, I am adverse to the hicapp/drum mag heros who spray the fuck out of everything though. 

 

[Rogerborg]

I have also played at a place with no minimum engagement distance for ANYONE (inc snipers) with no limit of full auto and everyone just peppering each other shouting at people to call their hits while dumping half a hi cap into them whilst they cannot shout hit as they are shouting ouch, or cannot be heard over the super high ROF guns everyone seemed to have had built for this site. 

Where should we be avoiding?

 

[Albiscuit]

In all honesty I cannot remember which site it was. I have been to quite a few new ones since lockdown eased. I think I know which one it was but not 100% and do not want to put out the wrong info.

Strangely enough, despite the overkill tendency I do remember I actually enjoyed that day. The site was good, the games were decent and the play not too bad. It did get a bit silly but for the most part it was the site culture, so all the regulars were pretty well used to it, just a few others who didnt get on board with it all.

 

[Kzwi]

I am all for banning high caps, unless on a support weapon.

Hi caps are good for beginner though, i quickly switched to midcaps but it is nice that out of the box with a hi cap and battery, they can start playing without having to get mid caps and pouches and speedloader, we have an expensive hobby. 

That being said, i disliked mandatory semi only. 

 

[Cannonfodder]

IMO if a player is going to act like a twat then they should be dealt with accordingly by the site staff rather than introducing blanket rules that affect everyone else

 

[Albiscuit]

IMO if a player is going to act like a twat then they should be dealt with accordingly by the site staff rather than introducing blanket rules that affect everyone else

Trouble is people tend to think overkill is suitable justice for someone not taking a hit though so they put half a mag into them. Things get rowdy and then it’s semi only rather than just moving on or reporting the player

 

[Cannonfodder]

And half the time (at least) they're not even hitting the player who's supposedly not taking their hits