= Equal Airsoft

[ImTriggerHappy]

To be fair I am big into equality which is why I treat everyone like a c**t so as not to discriminate ?

 

[Sacarathe]

So, after all these posts, we've still no links. Hum. /shrug.

I can't see how creating an us and them situation can improve a problem I don't think exists, all you do is [further] alienate those few people which might perpetrate bigotry.

 

[Prisce]

To be fair I am big into equality which is why I treat everyone like a c**t so as not to discriminate ?

That’s a line straight from my last pub meet... 

 

[L3wisD]

@MrGlitter69 - I've edited the offensive wording out of your post as you have chosen not to do so.

As per our conversation, please be more mindful about what you're posting before you submit each post.

Thank you.

 

[Whompa73]

Too late pal debate is on , in the ideal world yes everyone will be treated in an equal way , but there’s no such thing and there never will be ‘an ideal world’ , if you get three or more people together then one or more will be excluded it’s not just human nature it’s in ALL animal’s nature . I’ve been called a fat twat , I’ve been told geriatric old bastards like you shouldn’t be playing I’ve been told fuck off back to Wales , and outside of Airsoft I’ve been told to leave a particular area of my home town because I was white and wasn’t welcome there do I care ? No I don’t care , at the time it may have angered me and I more than likely replied in the same fashion but I do not agree at all in the rights of the few not to be offended being projected over the rights of the many to be arseholes if they wish BUT if there is proven victimization then that is most definitely a different matter . I’ve got gay friends who’ve fought long and hard just to be treated on an equal level to everyone else I know disabled people who also have spent there entire lives fighting to show there a human being and NOT a lump of meat in a wheel chair .

Through my work I’ve seen the real face of it as well , I’ve held the hand of a gay person who was literally beaten almost to death because they were gay and I’ve tried to comfort a straight white guy who’d attempted suicide after he’d been gang raped in a gay bar on a night out so yes I do realise we live in an unfair society . My opinion ? (Everyone has one and some aren’t afraid to let you know either !) I think the inclusion campaigns going on at the moment are just bullshit being championed by entitled middle class SJW who quite frankly wouldn’t know ‘social injustice’ if it was standing in front of them . 

And that’s my 2 pennies worth . 

Firstly my apologies i wasnt able to post the link as for some reason my pad will only allow me to get on fb via the app. I also hadnt been able to spend a lot of time on the internet over the last few day and having not set the notify on thread i had not realised that there had been the issues there seem to have been.

 This isn't somthing being started by some middle class self entitled  SJW (not sure what sjw is) its some who is a player and has has been for years. Who now struggles due to disabilities but still loves the sport regardless of her ability to charge around like a lunatic. It dosnt mean that she can shoot straighter than most of the others on the field. And when shes too bad to play she is still there supporting the team. She has  seen the sly remarks made by people that have affected others . She has seen new players put off the sport by people being assholes. Even old players get disillusioned by the bull shit attitutes of some players. That being said it is for the vast majority a pretty accepting comunity and there is far far more for it than against it in terms of acceptance. Iv had a lot of support from airsoft friends. But going back to human nature even when people dont agree with what somene is saying when they are sniping or even out right bullying someone. Its amazing how many people just dont want to stand up and say somthing that could cause a confrontation. You could say i have a vested intrest as 1 i know the person who started this and 2 i am openly gay but i am big and ugly enough to look after my self . And to be honest i have not had any negativity personaly but although openly gay its not as if i go around telling everone i meet that I'm  gay. Contrary to popular beleif you usually cant tell someone is gay just by looking at them or by the way they talk.And yet other wether gay or not seem to fit into what people preceive to be gay characteristics and are often harrassed for it. lable I certainly dont think that this is the case more in airsoft than other sporst or social groups But equall airsoft isnt about those who are gay ist just that that is a part of it i know somthing about . It is about everyone and primarily its about airsoft! Wanting to make it or even keep it a better, safer, tolerent and accepting  place  to have fun & encouraging people to come into it and be able to enjoy it with without all the bullshit the outside world has to offer. To my mind that has to be a good thing. It already has the support of many players aswell as teams , sites and even retailers. Yes its in its early stages and not quite the pollished artical yet as far as its fb page but everything has to start somewhere. This is just some trying to make the airsoft world a better place.

 

[snuff]

Really...why do we have this in every walk of life,we don't not care about colour,creed,gender,etc...

Wow your gay..let me tell you this WE accept you,bullying is not yours or anybody elses to claim to be a sole victim of,it can happen in all walks of life,work,private and recreational.It cares not about you it cares about the abilty to demoralise it's victim,it can manifest phsyical or mental.

I'm happy playing airsoft and hope the people I play with are happy too,sorry but it looks like a money making umberella using pc to promote it...

 

[Arwen]

Fair enough if you are genuinely going to be a place for people to seek advice or whatever on making the sport even more accepting. 

However I simply liken this to a current.... scheme (for want of a better word) going on at my work. 

In an effort to make LGBT+ employees feel more comfortable at work, they are now handing out rainbow lanyards for people who identify as " LGBT+ allies". This is despite the fact that every LGBT+ person I have spoken to at work doesn't see an issue at all. My work is very accepting. 

First off, I have no problem with what reproductive organs some has, what ones they wish they had, what they had previously or what they like to fondle (or not). Anyone who knows me knows I have no issues with people unless they give me a reason to dislike them. 

I do however have a problem with people being pideon holed into categories, in a bottled up and labeled kinda way. And this visual branding of people is where I have most of the issue. 

Someone feels there is a need to be branding people as a friend to others... 

Branding people. 

Why?! 

Branding people is wrong, there have been countless lessons in history as to why it is wrong. Yet we still do it. 

Edit: I am all for equality in life. But you will never see me being branded to promote it. Equality should be common sense. It is a learned behaviour (both ways) 

 

[Whompa73]

Appart from a patch and a soon to be hoodie (mainly for friends)sold pretty much at cost anc made in small batch production. There is no money involved at all

Fair enough if you are genuinely going to be a place for people to seek advice or whatever on making the sport even more accepting. 

However I simply liken this to a current.... scheme (for want of a better word) going on at my work. 

In an effort to make LGBT+ employees feel more comfortable at work, they are now handing out rainbow lanyards for people who identify as " LGBT+ allies". This is despite the fact that every LGBT+ person I have spoken to at work doesn't see an issue at all. My work is very accepting. 

First off, I have no problem with what reproductive organs some has, what ones they wish they had, what they had previously or what they like to fondle (or not). Anyone who knows me knows I have no issues with people unless they give me a reason to dislike them. 

I do however have a problem with people being pideon holed into categories, in a bottled up and labeled kinda way. And this visual branding of people is where I have most of the issue. 

Someone feels there is a need to be branding people as a friend to others... 

Branding people. 

Why?! 

Branding people is wrong, there have been countless lessons in history as to why it is wrong. Yet we still do it. 

Edit: I am all for equality in life. But you will never see me being branded to promote it. Equality should be common sense. It is a learned behaviour (both ways) 

I honestly cant realy find fault with what you are saying. It is about airsoft and trying to promote the sport. And as iv said iv had no problems myself the people have been brilliant and made some fantastic friends. Hopefully it will help encourage more people into airsofting. 

 

[Druid799]

It stands for Social Justice Warrior , there the kind of people who take on the cause of ‘the victims of social injustice’ wether they need it or not or even if there’s actually a problem or not , and yes they are predominantly middle class ‘do gooders’ !  

As I said I do not agree in any way shape or form with intolerance or violence to others wether due to there sexual orientation , race or there physical condition . BUT I do vehemently object to people trying to regulate or control someone’s right to be an arsehole .

I’m 51 and I’ve lived life , I’ve some real life long friends who are gay and a few disabled and believe me over the yrs they’ve had to deal with REAL abuse not just ‘nasty words’ but physical violence and threats and believe me they can give as good if not better than the antagonist ! They didn’t rely on society legislating the problem away , no they relied on them selves and there friends and we faced it head on together . 

The frase snowflakes is bandied about all the time but there are a few occasions where it’s actually an appropriate analogy to many campaigners and campaigns running today . What is a snowflake ? It’s a delicate thing that just falls apart and dissolves at the slightest touch ? Sorry but there is a lot of this in society people are just getting so delicate that the slightest perceived wrong sends them in to a spiraling outburst of howling and whaling and “oh poor me ! Where’s my safe space !” 

As I said in my previous post through my job I’ve seen and tried to help the victims of this kind of violence , so yes I have seen the evil man can do to each other ‘in the flesh’ but I’m most definitely of the opinion it’s NOT present in the Airsoft (not the circles I move in any way and that covers well over a third of the country) as lordable as your intentions are I truly believe you campaigning to stamp out a problem that simply doesn’t exist in Airsoft , yes there are snide remarks or sarcastic comments and the like but there words nothing more , words only hurt if you let them .

Someone calls you a fagot ? Simple turn around and say “don’t worry with your face your perfectly safe sweet cheeks !”

They call you a cripple ? Then you simply reply “very true but one day they’ll cure it , but you ? You’ll still be a thick twat !” Both these retorts were ones I witnessed my friends using and both occasions the antagonists slinked off red faced and embarrassed at the laughter from everyone present .

if you really do feel you must try and help stamp out this problem then I do think you need to look elsewhere as it’s not here , or playing devils advocate is that the reason you are trying to start a campaign in a community where it’s not needed so no resistance to it ?

Who know but your self in the end .

and I’ll leave the last word to the god that is Steven Fry .

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[snuff]

It stands for Social Justice Warrior , there the kind of people who take on the cause of ‘the victims of social injustice’ wether they need it or not or even if there’s actually a problem or not , and yes they are predominantly middle class ‘do gooders’ !  

As I said I do not agree in any way shape or form with intolerance or violence to others wether due to there sexual orientation , race or there physical condition . BUT I do vehemently object to people trying to regulate or control someone’s right to be an arsehole .

I’m 51 and I’ve lived life , I’ve some real life long friends who are gay and a few disabled and believe me over the yrs they’ve had to deal with REAL abuse not just ‘nasty words’ but physical violence and threats and believe me they can give as good if not better than the antagonist ! They didn’t rely on society legislating the problem away , no they relied on them selves and there friends and we faced it head on together . 

The frase snowflakes is bandied about all the time but there are a few occasions where it’s actually an appropriate analogy to many campaigners and campaigns running today . What is a snowflake ? It’s a delicate thing that just falls apart and dissolves at the slightest touch ? Sorry but there is a lot of this in society people are just getting so delicate that the slightest perceived wrong sends them in to a spiraling outburst of howling and whaling and “oh poor me ! Where’s my safe space !” 

As I said in my previous post through my job I’ve seen and tried to help the victims of this kind of violence , so yes I have seen the evil man can do to each other ‘in the flesh’ but I’m most definitely of the opinion it’s NOT present in the Airsoft (not the circles I move in any way and that covers well over a third of the country) as lordable as your intentions are I truly believe you campaigning to stamp out a problem that simply doesn’t exist in Airsoft , yes there are snide remarks or sarcastic comments and the like but there words nothing more , words only hurt if you let them .

Someone calls you a fagot ? Simple turn around and say “don’t worry with your face your perfectly safe sweet cheeks !”

They call you a cripple ? Then you simply reply “very true but one day they’ll cure it , but you ? You’ll still be a thick twat !” Both these retorts were ones I witnessed my friends using and both occasions the antagonists slinked off red faced and embarrassed at the laughter from everyone present .

if you really do feel you must try and help stamp out this problem then I do think you need to look elsewhere as it’s not here , or playing devils advocate is that the reason you are trying to start a campaign in a community where it’s not needed no resistance to it ?

Who know but your self in the end .

Bravo.......

 

[Jedi_Master]

May not be appropriate but has a level of truth

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[MrGlitter69]

@MrGlitter69 - I've edited the offensive wording out of your post as you have chosen not to do so.

As per our conversation, please be more mindful about what you're posting before you submit each post.

Thank you.

Apologies, never got around to doing so.

Thank you.