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Drug use at airsoft sites
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Rogerborg
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Eh. Sites, like politicians, tend to talk a great game.
If they actually acted on it then the tiny minority of throbbers who ruin it for everyone wouldn't last long in the hobby.
This is actually a fair point. Nicotine and caffeine are awful drugs, they'd be banned now if so many influential people weren't already hooked. This isn't a joke (although addicts will laugh it off), they're both debilitating, mood altering, and highly physiologically addictive. They're treated differently to cake in part because we can take them in small, controlled doses, without stigma or (generally) without bingeing too much. If Woka-Cola started putting small amounts of cocaine back into their bottled diabetes, it would be no worse than caffeine, and less harmful than the sugar.
OK, I'll bite on the original bait. I wouldn't actually have much of an issue in principle with someone airsofting on a bit of recreational THC. I'd actually prefer it to a speedyboi rushing around off his tits on sugar, taurine and caffeine and seeing things like he's in the Matrix.
However, in practice, you don't know what they're smoking, its strength, how much they're binging, whether they think the squirrels are spying on them, or if they've got the full blown...
I've mentioned before that there seems to be a lot of people who turn up to airsoft sites for reasons other than actually playing airsoft.
Me, I'm there to sling balls, and if I had one airsoft wish, it would be for all sites to be run by people who will actively facilitate that, and nip everything else in the bud, pun intended.
Back in the day, what the ‘average person’ thought was the smell of cannabis was actually musk or naga incense. The perfumes of ‘hippy girls’ and the incense they burned to cover up the smell.
Then when stopped by the village Bobbie the guys would have their stash in the girls bags, and if pulled out with papers etc when searched would say it’s rolling tobacco. Except for when they were elsewhere and encountered Thames Valley
They also sold oxo cubes to ‘weekend Hippy’s’, which would give off a beefy scent, but by the time someone attempted to smoke it the ‘dealer’ was long gone
These tales come from the original hippy, who was a cross between hells angel and hippy until the hippy generation came into being and he ‘found’ his identity
For many years he would claim that the old saying “if you remember the 60s then you weren’t there” was wrong, as he could remember the 60s. However following a number of documentaries and anniversary retrospectives the events he remembered of the 60s turned out to be the 70s
That would be different as an event rather than a typical game & site
When do they serve alcohol? I’ve not been to NAE, but have been to many Paintfest’s (the last few had airfest at the same time) and I’ve been to a few of the Warped big games (before they began duplicate airsoft events as well)
Typically the bar would open in the evening and not affect game play other than night/evening sessions and the after effects the next morning
At some of the latter years I self banned myself from either playing for a few hours or on the last year I declared myself unsafe to even walk on field.
Though I’d be up and kicking our guys out of their tents first thing so they get their game play in
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In the words of the late Bill Hicks...
There are Two people in the carpark fighting... Are they Drunk or are they Stoned...
I rest my case.
No a lesson my dad taught me.
If it aint hurting you, affecting you, stopping you from enjoying your beer... MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS.
Frankly, anyone using any kind of self medication like cannabis, won't be running around at an airsoft site, so I think the main worry is alcohol IMHO.
There are Two people in the carpark fighting... Are they Drunk or are they Stoned...
I rest my case.
No a lesson my dad taught me.
If it aint hurting you, affecting you, stopping you from enjoying your beer... MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS.
Frankly, anyone using any kind of self medication like cannabis, won't be running around at an airsoft site, so I think the main worry is alcohol IMHO.
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Translations of the key points :
1) Mis quote of Bill Hicks:
If you're at a ball game or a concert and someone's really violent and aggressive and obnoxious, are they drunk or are they smoking pot?
(content warning with various rude words etc)
2) If it ain’t hurting you then mind your own business:
AKA if you see people partaking in illegal substances in the car park then report it to the site, or don’t. Alternatively report it to the police, or don’t
3) Anyone using cannabis won’t be running around on site.
Not entirely true.
Particularly with the ‘medication’ element, whether self
medicating or under advice
… and that alcohol is a greater worry.
An alcoholic can function ‘well’ with quantities of alcohol that would put others under the table.
Cannabis has positive effects and negative effects. An individual can be suffering from a condition under which the THC/CBD content enables them to function.
But that’s not the true subject of the thread - it’s more about being under the influence - which does not bode well for an ability to make good decisions around shooting people
The abuse of drink and drugs don’t belong in airsoft, they can supplement ‘apres skirmish’ later
Tactical Pith Helmet
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The OP's thread title is clear enough. He asks about the use of drugs, not abuse of drugs.
I drink three Arabicas each morning, not fifteen.
I was a functional alcoholic for many years. I know all too well the long term effects of alcohol.
Reporting to the police, unless you have evidence or proof, if you have concerns, then those matters should be the judgement call of the site operator and not the police who may turn up and ruin everyone's day or cause the site operator issues.
IMHO, rather than outright accuse someone behind their back, playing it with care that "You suspect that <player> is a bit worse for wear" and let the site operators speak with the player, any good operator would know a sobriety test and perform both a visual assessment and any obvious odours and perhaps opportunity for the player to defend themselves.
I say this because I went to work one day after being at a house party. Lets say my "Odour" was from being around plenty of people who had been using something. What happened at work, well they subjected me to a covert drugs test, found nothing untoward as they asked me in the office. A member of staff had commented to management that I was using when I wasn't. Nearly lost my job because of it.
You have to remember that you are messing with peoples lives here, while you may be thinking that you are doing your public duty, exercise caution because things do not always appear as you think.
Rogerborg
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The problem is, you can't tell from a snapshot instant whether you're seeing the former, or the latter. "Oh, it's just my first sip / spliff" is exactly what an addict would say to hide their addiction.
Zero tolerance doesn't mean "... at the point where it becomes impossible to ignore."
Based on the survey from the original question it’s not acceptable in the general community
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Steveocee
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Quite often when playing at certain venues you can the whiff of something that little bit extra menthol burning.
My issue with it is that there are younger kids who play airsoft, they don't need exposing to it as well. If you're going to go and do drugs, do them out of sight and mind of everyone else. Don't affect me and I won't affect you. If you're spaced out your head and you break an ankle in the woods, don't expect sympathy.
My issue with it is that there are younger kids who play airsoft, they don't need exposing to it as well. If you're going to go and do drugs, do them out of sight and mind of everyone else. Don't affect me and I won't affect you. If you're spaced out your head and you break an ankle in the woods, don't expect sympathy.
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In a "recreational" setting, I'd far rather be around a stoner than a pisshead (far less likelihood of violence and far better choice of snacks for a start).
As for whether or not it's acceptable on a site - it's irrelevant if the site rules disallow it. Doesn't matter if you agree with it or not or if you are fine after a spliff or two or a couple of beers. Airsoft sites are privately run and more often than not have a landlord. If that landlord doesn't like anything the punters do the company running the site for airsoft can lose their lease. Breaking the rules and pissing off the landlord is a dick move.
As for whether or not it's acceptable on a site - it's irrelevant if the site rules disallow it. Doesn't matter if you agree with it or not or if you are fine after a spliff or two or a couple of beers. Airsoft sites are privately run and more often than not have a landlord. If that landlord doesn't like anything the punters do the company running the site for airsoft can lose their lease. Breaking the rules and pissing off the landlord is a dick move.
Over looked that
, still makes me wonder out of those 50 who voted would actively do something about it or just get on with their days game. Also how many people who do think it's ok would actually put that out there on a forum .I understand and totally agree it's the official line of the sites. I'm of the inclination I don't care what people do as long as they aren't hurting anyone. Let me hazard a guess:Over looked that
98% of the 50 will tut and do nothing
the remaining 2% (one person) will come on here and start a poll
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Rogerborg
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Smoking weed, whatevs. My main concern there would be them taking a whatevs attitude to chrono, hit taking and such.
Alcohol - or doing lines off of their dashboard, since we're imagining heinous site sins - I'd be more likely run and cry to the site, because I agree that the consequences are potentially worse.
I stress more likely, but I'd have a good think about it first, based on what I knew about the site. I'd be willing to bet that far too many site runners would tut then do nothing, say "Well, I didn't see it", or outright resent being asked to walk their talk.
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