Did I do the right thing?

[Black Death]

First things first lets just determine the phrase 'drop on someone'. If 2 people are in a thick woods unaware of each other's presense at say 10m and then one of them makes a small noise alerting the other to his position THIS IS NOT getting the drop on someone. It's called getting lucky!

If you track a man down based on recent change to bush/foliage and you even throw a twig in another direction to get him to face the wrong way then THIS IS getting the drop on someone. Skilled military guys will tell you about this stuff. Personally I'm rubbish at it as I make more noise than an athsmatic rapist but if done well (especially as a sniper) most people don't see you the entire day and have no idea where the shots are coming from.

Let's not confuse fluke/luck with skills/getting the drop on someone.

Played against a guy (ex military) couple of weeks ago. I never saw him during gameplay and only saw him in the safe zone. He managed to shoot me in the mouth and I swallowed the bb. My hat went off to him and I specifically found him to shake his hand as I had respect for his skill level. Forget your mega tuned systemas... This guy was a f*cking marvel

 

[Black Death]

The dude was behind him, weapon aimed, with enough time to make a decision and call out... Whether he got there on purpose or by accident makes no difference. He did the reasonable thing and then got shot for it... I don't think that's on at all... I think its a pretty off call...

The med is there as a safety feature, not an excuse to dodge hits... The op was in another guys sights. You're either hit via a bb or a statement... But you're definitely hit...

Based in this theory.... I could walk up to a 12 man strong cluster waving my oshiboom in the air saying your all dead. Now safety dictates I don't throw my oshi as if it hits you in the head you'll be in a coma. I could spend £3 on a soft disposable but I chose not to (just like the sniper didn't bring a secondary).

Do you see where I'm going with this... We all know the rules of airsoft and how to play but people sometimes think 'outside' of this which only complicates situations. Don't apply your own logic, don't apply real steel logic. We all get the same briefing so if we stick to them rules there's no confusion

 

[NH Shooter]

First things first lets just determine the phrase 'drop on someone'. If 2 people are in a thick woods unaware of each other's presense at say 10m and then one of them makes a small noise alerting the other to his position THIS IS NOT getting the drop on someone. It's called getting lucky!

If you track a man down based on recent change to bush/foliage and you even throw a twig in another direction to get him to have the wrong way then THIS IS getting the drop on someone. Skilled military guys will tell you about this stuff. Personally I'm rubbish at it as I make more noise than an athsmatic rapist but if done well (especially as a sniper) most people don't see you the entire day and have no idea where the shots are coming from.

Let's not confuse fluke/luck with skills/getting the drop on someone.

Played against a guy (ex military) couple of weeks ago. I never saw him during gameplay and only saw him in the safe zone. He managed to shoot me in the mouth and I swallowed the bb. My hat went off to him and I specifically found him to shake his hand as I hide respect for his skill level. Forget your mega tuned systemas... This guy was a f*cking marvel

Well... I'm not sure I can agree that levelling your rifle, making a call, and deliberately calling out is "making a small noise"... But it really couldn't matter less, could it...

The situation was that 2 people, for whatever reason, we're in the same vicinity. 1of them had their rifle pointed at the others back, and the other is entirely unaware.... Until he gets deliberately shouted at by the guy carefully aiming at his spine...

Whatever terminology you want to use... One of those people was distinctly at the others mercy.

 

[Nickona]

Get the drop on someone simply means you have them in your sights at close range 10m and under and they are unaware of your presence, if you didn't mean to come across them but they are still unaware of you while your sighted on them then you're just more aware then they are you've got the drop on them

 

[M_P]

The thing is though, you wouldn't turn up to airsoft with a watergun, if you don't have the right equipment then you can't expect to be as successful as someone who does.

I don't think it's unsporting, if he had an MED he could've just moved to a more suitable position to shoot from. It's just like the bang rule, it's a situation that will cause arguments, best way of avoiding it to have the right equipment and shoot the player in the back of the vest or somewhere that won't hurt.

If you ran into a room in cqb with a sniper rifle shouting take the hit to anyone inside, you'd get shot and look like a knob.

 

[NH Shooter]

Based in this theory.... I could walk up to a 12 man strong cluster waving my oshiboom in the air saying your all dead. Now safety dictates I don't throw my oshi as if it hits you in the head you'll be in a coma. I could spend £3 on a soft disposable but I chose not to (just like the sniper didn't bring a secondary).

Do you see where I'm going with this... We all know the rules of airsoft and how to play but people sometimes think 'outside' of this which only complicates situations. Don't apply your own logic, don't apply real steel logic. We all get the same briefing so if we stick to them rules there's no confusion

So in this situation you choose either not to engage or engage in a safe way... You could equally "walk up" and just drop it. If you equally had a grenade and walked up to me... Even if you did it by mistake... I'd say I was dead... You had me at your mercy, see...

 

[Black Death]

So your saying if I literally walk across your red dot when you had no idea I was there, that makes you more aware than me? Lolololol

I think luck may have a small part to play.

I was merely identifying that some experienced players quite literally HUNT opposition whereas the rest of us just find people! There's a big difference

 

[Black Death]

The thing is though, you wouldn't turn up to airsoft with a watergun, if you don't have the right equipment then you can't expect to be as successful as someone who does.

I don't think it's unsporting, if he had an MED he could've just moved to a more suitable position to shoot from. It's just like the bang rule, it's a situation that will cause arguments, best way of avoiding it to have the right equipment and shoot the player in the back of the vest or somewhere that won't hurt.

If you ran into a room in cqb with a sniper rifle shouting take the hit to anyone inside, you'd get shot and look like a knob.

 

[two_zero]

If you ran into a room in cqb with a sniper rifle shouting take the hit to anyone inside, you'd get shot and look like a knob.

I laughed.

 

[Sitting Duck]

Sitting Duck you seem to be implying the sniper should have taken a shot from within the MED with "try" and "safer". The sniper did the most reasonable thing he could have done in that situation while trying to take the kill.. it is incredibly hard to follow someone or track them without them realising you're there especially in woodland.. he would only have gotten a couple steps before the OP realised he was there
And the analogy to the full auto and guy jumping out is more what the OP did, he stopped thought, hmm this isn't in the MED so I don't technically have to take this and then challenged the sniper. He was in his rights to do so but still not a sporting move

I was being honest and playing in a real airsoft field - and like I said you can't tell me every sniper shot is the correct side of the range
and listing other examples - the shot will hurst less as range increases

But we will never know how hidden the sniper's original position was and for how far he could of tracked him for

nor will we know if sniper was 360fps of 480fps

But the sniper COULD have done numerous things and NOT broke cover

Have said numerous times fair play to sniper for taking hit and also maybe sniper played the wrong move

BUT - above all else I give credit to OP - he feels it maybe a too easy kill, maybe they should of both took hits

BUT the OP came on here and opened up up about and maybe it wasn't a great kill feeling or whatever

BUT - last but I think, I congratulate both sniper for taking hit & OP for having being honest to admit to this easy kill

many people would of just said - tough $hit and not given it a second thought

Sniper could of done nothing, carried pistol, took a shot at a further range - loads of options

he broke cover - c'mon most people only take hits when they are just that and if they don't you full auto them until they do

2 players and think they both did well like I said - this stuff happens all the time as long as it wasn't a massive turning point inthe game

BIG DEAL - it happened, world cup soon - you gonna tell me every goal is gonna be onside or no hand of god again or no diving

 

[NH Shooter]

If you ran into a room in cqb with a sniper rifle shouting take the hit to anyone inside, you'd get shot and look like a knob.

You would also look like a tool running into a field full of people waving a pistol... But their both entirely different things. The guy had the kit, and the opportunity and the will... He was just sporting and reasonable.

To be in that situation, to say "ooooo, you can't shot me, but I can shoot you, look" after you turned around obviously... Is... Well... I refrain from further comment...

 

[Black Death]

So in this situation you choose either not to engage or engage in a safe way... You could equally "walk up" and just drop it. If you equally had a grenade and walked up to me... Even if you did it by mistake... I'd say I was dead... You had me at your mercy, see...

There's no way you walk up to 12 guys without one of them telling the others! That's my point!

Also you have answered your own statement perfectly! In airsoft the first rule is either engage safely or don't engage at all! It's never worth risking someone else's safety just for the 3 second satisfaction of a score! Bring the right tools for the job to allow you to get the job done.

And yes I've dropped a grenade before and got 'free kills' from it (plus a suiicide) but this still conforms to the rules of the game! The rules keep the game safe and NOT necessarily logical. Take away the safety and we no longer will be allowed this beautiful game. Simples

 

[M_P]

To be in that situation, to say "ooooo, you can't shot me, but I can shoot you, look" after you turned around obviously... Is... Well... I refrain from further comment...

Yes but the difference is that one person can't shoot due to safety reasons. It's not as simple as I can but you can't.

He was sporting though you're right, for that I commend the guy, he just can't complain that he wasn't prepared for the situation.

We play a shooting game where you should expect to get hit.

It'd be a bit of a tragic game if we simply dropped our guns and just shouted at each other.

 

[snuff]

In this world of pc and stuff the sniper was ill-equiped,is the sniper obliged to carry a secondary or does it depend on the site?

The bang rule is poor imho,youtube the yanks playing with it..."I banged you",it is on par with blind firing the way they use it..

Anyway if the sniper had any savvy he could've thrown and handful of bb's at the op's back...all this "if you shot me I'd ~~~###@'#" that's worse than what the op did..because was perfectly within the rules to do what he did,but people would advoctae shooting below MED with a 500 fps sniper.. :wacko:

 

[Black Death]

Plus how can the sniper actually be annoyed with the OP playing WITHIN the rules of the game? Doesn't make any sense!

If the sniper gets annoyed and then shoots the OP at close range causing injury then that's an INTENTIONAL injury. You can't then say oh I didn't mean it because what else did you think would possibly happen at 5m with a 550fps gun??? that's no good for EVERYBODY because the media would just love to jump on something like that

Plus anyone who loses they're temper whilst holding an airsoft gun is just a straight liability to the site and the sport itself. Also that person should be concerned that bbs won't hurt enough to stop someone actually dropping they're gun and fighting you. Will you be able to defend yourself? Food for thought lol

 

[two_zero]

So the overall conclusion seem to be that there was no clear right or wrong in his situation. Rather it is up to the two involved parts and/or the site owners / marshals?

 

[snuff]

Good topic for debate...luckily I've never witnessed a physical assault but if as suggested people retaliated when they felt cheated we'd all be fighting..

...and the outcome is obvious..who would've got the site ban..the op or the sniper shooting below MED @ 500 FPS..

I think we all deal with situations as they arise and luckily we seem able to control our emotions well enough to NOT club the cr@p out of eachother..

 

[Airsoft_Mr B]

Where can I get a £6 rubber knife? Was looking at Cold Steel ones for a tenner but considering the use you get out of the them I'd rather just get a clone / knock off one. If it was me I would have taken the hit, but I suppose it's fair enough if he didn't have a secondary.

 

[Black Death]

Toys R Us do knives for £6 lol

 

[two_zero]

cold steel is plastic (or something similar) and not meant for airsoft. not saying you cant use them, but they are a bit more limiting than the rubber ones that are made for airsoft. as to where you can get one for £6.. haven't got a clue.