Did I do the right thing?

[Black Death]

Let us get one thing clear

The reason why the sniper can have 450-500fps sniper is because:

Single shot AND min engage distance

otherwise lets just go nuts with 450+ fully auto at point blank range - screw the chrono and call an ambulance now

There are rules - some are common sense some don't make much sense

and times when people don't always play by them

BUT there are rules and guidelines which are stated at the start - don't like them don't play

Sniper must be thinking I should of had secondary or crap I was I brought my AEG instead of this

But think it was fair play and nothing really bad - just $hit happens & move on

I mean in real life If I got shot in my little toe with a £10 springer pistol - don't think I would be fatally wounded

but a hit is a hit so to speak so we play and abide by rules - silly or not

I completely agree with you bro! You hit the nail on the head! The other relative thing is that to make airsoft interesting, we use different guns in different ways to balance things out! Imagine a full auto pistol with a drum mag that held 500 rounds? You'd have the firepower of an aeg but in a small package! Or as you said imagine a full auto barett at 550fps! These are just trolling weapons lol. We have to retard some guns not only for safety but to keep the game fair and balanced! If you have a long range weapon then stick to shooting at long range. It's not rocket science! Otherwise someone would develop a 450fps accurate to 60m 1911 and sniper rifles could go in the bin.

 

[Samurai]

He didn't shoot you. Not because sniper weapons can't hit you that close, but because he was minding your safety. It's only fair to respect not only this, but that he was better than you and he got you by surprise.

And yes, he should have had a secondary.

 

[M_P]

Assuming the site has no bang rule bollocks I'd have done the same thing.

If I get the jump on someone ill often give them the chance to take it without getting hit but ill be prepared to shoot if they try anything (somewhere where it won't hurt of course).

If he had a sniper rifle and no alternative for these situations he probably deserved to get shot anyway. You can just run into people expecting them to take hits left right and centre.

My local doesn't operate a bang rule but suggests you give them a surrender option, the key word being option. Best way to deal with the scenario in my opinion, if he had a suitable gun for the situation then he'd have gotten away with it.

 

[Sitting Duck]

Don't like bang rule - we are using bb's and is a combat sport ffs

next time I run out of ammo can I just go bang at somebody 30m away

no chance they would say

ah but this is long range finger I'm using

a hit is a hit - proper contact bb or knife light sabre dildo or whatever

within the rules or guidelines - stupid or not but those rules are there

 

[Black Death]

Whilst that statement is true, airsoft and real world is quite different (mainly based on safety). Minding safety doesn't make you nice or a good player... It's the RULES! The OP played by the rules and came out on top. His opponent could have chosen an easy fix but for whatever reason couldn't be bothered to pack a £6 rubber knife! I would have taken the hit if he tapped me with a banana. At least it's a pointy object lol. 'Take your hit' is just plain lazy

 

[Nickona]

I equally don't like the bang rule leads to arguments and is often used in stupid situations

You were under no obligation to take the hit and so under the rules you were well within your right to do what you did, but it wasn't the sporting option and this sport is entirely based on good sportsmanship

 

[Sitting Duck]

OK my final final say....

sniper = dumb a$$ - he saw you and what he SHOULD of done:

let you pass, and when you was kind of near the distance THEN shot the hell out of you

I mean if you was say 5m - no shot but track you and at say close to 25m then take a shot maybe

(can't tell me every sniper triple checks each target is at the correct distance when they pull trigger)

sniper made mistakes and like all mistakes he will learn from this possible easy kill he had on you

 

[Nickona]

I think you're being a bit harsh on the guy, he did try and do the right thing and took the hit from the OP without question immediately.

Yes he should have had a secondary but equally he could have shot and claimed his sniper was only 350fps and to a plate carrier/rig your not going to notice enough to complain.

If anything his mistake was having faith in the fact good sportsman ship would be reciprocated, which is a stretch granted in a combat game

So was OP right?

'legally' yes

'morally' no

However, the former is the one that actually matters in reality

 

[Black Death]

Don't like bang rule - we are using bb's and is a combat sport ffs

Spot on geezer

Spent hundreds on gear and guns, spent an hour getting it prepped indoors, 2 hours driving to venue, 30 mins getting ready, 45 second sneaking up on someone JUST TO SHOUT BANG!!! Oh hell no! You must be kidding me!

 

[two_zero]

Not in comment on OP:

I never been unhappy that someone bang killed me. Bang "rule" really is just about decency. So if someone is in a situation where he clearly would be able to hit you (for example he is 3 meter being you, unnoticed by you, with an AEG aimed at you), he chooses to be decent and not afflict you unnecessary pain. Then surely you want to punish him for his kindness, rather show that you are also decent?

A friend once used it inappropriate on me (face-to-face cqb). This was the first time he played however. I can't remember if I took the hit or not. But I did explain to him afterwards why it was inappropriate, and he was cool with that.

 

[Black Death]

Inflict unnecessary pain...... Really....

I was under impression that going to an airsoft skirmish meant getting licked every now and then. Next time I don't feel like getting hit I might just play with water pistols instead! Lolololol

 

[Sitting Duck]

OK this is my final say and just repeating the final quote:

sniper should of tracked the guy and took shot nearer range

he chose to snipe so should " try " and stick to the sniper guidelines

maybe they both could of said ok we both dead but sniper could have got kill and still been alive

sniper made the most mistakes - the OP did not but was fornuate that sniper played within rules

I'm sure many people have been hit at half the sniper distance

Like when you on full auto and enemy jumps out at you - do we always say:

Hang on a sec m8 - I'm still on auto lmk switch to semi

or times when your gun starts to shott 2 or 3 bb's burst on semi and you haven't got mosfet in there

sniper should have tracked op and got a "safe" or "safer" kill near the enagagment limit

if op dissappeared behind cover before he can take shot - $hit happens

no more OP did nothing wrong - sniper made mistakes in my book but played fair

so credit to sniper for that - just next time he won't break cover to say bang with no secondary etc...

 

[NH Shooter]

Personally... If I had a reasonable shot, but didn't take it to preserve your safety... And you then turned around and shot me as a thank you... I'd 500fps you in the crotch. Twice. Bang rule or not... The dude got the drop on you.

... Take your hit...

 

[two_zero]

Inflict unnecessary pain...... Really....

I was under impression that going to an airsoft skirmish meant getting licked every now and then. Next time I don't feel like getting hit I might just play with water pistols instead! Lolololol

no. afraid you're wrong there. If I wanted to cause you pain, shooting you with plastic bullets at one joule would not be my first choice. It is however a necessary part of the sport. I've participated in pain games, but only with other people who like me are dumb enough to to participate.

 

[AirsoftTed]

You're gonna be locked up in prison and fed bread for the rest of your life for what you did.

You're fine mate.

Had to read that twice, must be really tired. I thought it said breast fed!

 

[Black Death]

Personally... If I had a reasonable shot, but didn't take it to preserve your safety... And you then turned around and shot me as a thank you... I'd 500fps you in the crotch. Twice. Bang rule or not... The dude got the drop on you.

... Take your hit...

Whilst I see your point and understand it, you are forgetting one vital point! The sniper DID NOT get the drop on the OP. If anything they both were not aware where eachother was until the sniper realised and it was too late as he was too close. If the sniper had snuck up on the OP he would have shot him as soon as he was in range. The fact he was too close proves that the OP being there was a suprise. Now when you look at it this way it's not as if the sniper really early a hardened stealth kill. He just realised last minute dot com and realised he didn't have a legal weapon to get the job done according to rules.

 

[Nickona]

I think it should be clear the sniper didn't say bang, he said "Player take a hit" which is basically a short way of saying "your in my sights do you want to be sporting and accept a hit without me actually having to hurt you" a perfectly reasonable thing to do and something I've done to people when I've had the drop on them with things like "do you want to take that" and them normally looking around and thinking he's gotten the better of me here yes I will and being sporting and civil about it and take the hit.

However, there is no obligation to play that, if any of those people has made a move for a weapon they'd have gotten a couple of shot for their troubles, probably in not the most sympathetic places either. I also do it from a good couple of meters away so they cant do the thing black death says he does.

Sitting Duck you seem to be implying the sniper should have taken a shot from within the MED with "try" and "safer". The sniper did the most reasonable thing he could have done in that situation while trying to take the kill.. it is incredibly hard to follow someone or track them without them realising you're there especially in woodland.. he would only have gotten a couple steps before the OP realised he was there

And the analogy to the full auto and guy jumping out is more what the OP did, he stopped thought, hmm this isn't in the MED so I don't technically have to take this and then challenged the sniper. He was in his rights to do so but still not a sporting move

Actually Black Death from rereading the post the sniper did have the drop on him the OP said he heard him say "player take your hit" behind him to turn around and see a sniper pointed at him... definitely sounds like the sniper had the better of him

 

[two_zero]

Whilst I see your point and understand it, you are forgetting one vital point! The sniper DID NOT get the drop on the OP. If anything they both were not aware where eachother was until the sniper realised and it was too late as he was too close. If the sniper had snuck up on the OP he would have shot him as soon as he was in range. The fact he was too close proves that the OP being there was a suprise. Now when you look at it this way it's not as if the sniper really early a hardened stealth kill. He just realised last minute dot com and realised he didn't have a legal weapon to get the job done according to rules.

Very good point. are you sure about this? I am a dyslexic and might have missed something, but this could potentially make the difference between if it was wrong or not.

 

[Yuriski]

Personally, if it were me, I'd have taken the hit. He saw and 'bang'ed the OP because the OP didn't check his surroundings. Fair play in my book.

 

[NH Shooter]

Whilst I see your point and understand it, you are forgetting one vital point! The sniper DID NOT get the drop on the OP. If anything they both were not aware where eachother was until the sniper realised and it was too late as he was too close. If the sniper had snuck up on the OP he would have shot him as soon as he was in range. The fact he was too close proves that the OP being there was a suprise. Now when you look at it this way it's not as if the sniper really early a hardened stealth kill. He just realised last minute dot com and realised he didn't have a legal weapon to get the job done according to rules.

The dude was behind him, weapon aimed, with enough time to make a decision and call out... Whether he got there on purpose or by accident makes no difference. He did the reasonable thing and then got shot for it... I don't think that's on at all... I think its a pretty off call...

The med is there as a safety feature, not an excuse to dodge hits... The op was in another guys sights. You're either hit via a bb or a statement... But you're definitely hit...