Cunning or Cheating?

[Hami]

Sites should definitely start to push more for their use. Eventually becoming a norm. Makes life easier for everyone 

 

[Tommikka]

Sometimes it impractical for players to keep their hands up in the air if terrain is uneven and their hand is needed to support them safely crossing the field back to spawn so if loads started doing this honest dead players would be the only ones done over.

Why aren't dead rags more of a thing? 

I was about to mention dead rags.

Legitimate non aggressive ‘dead man walking’ is a valid tactic.

Cheating at faking by raising your hand etc to bypass and then appearing alive is not.

There is the standard signal for dead players, which is a raised hand.  We all drop our hands when going for some distance but can reasonably raise it or call ‘dead player’ when passing others etc.   If there is a need to climb obstacles, jump river beds etc then there’s time to challenge the non aggressive player rather than gun them down

Dead rags are an established option, not so regular here so don’t seem to be well known and not everyone will have them or want to buy them.

(Funny that as a paintballer who remains unfamiliar with all the rules and terms of airsoft knows about dead rags but many airsofters don’t)

A site can stock up on a length of cheap fabric and chop up some rags - and tell players the rules. It’s hardly rocket science and would solve the majority of issues I’ve seen in games due to different players assuming different rules 

There are often common indicators showing the difference between a dead player and a non aggressive player.  People don’t pay attention to the non agressive player.

In the same game once in Drakelow tunnels I was the Gabriel, head of the fallen angels and wearing black wings, with respawn in the centre. 
In one game I was able to stroll past the opposition, all the way to a lit up tunnel, into the unattended respawn, steal ‘lost souls’ that had been collected and walk back out.

After switching ends I tried to walk in again in a dark respawn area and gained a swollen forehead and mild concussion for my cheekiness once someone noticed my wings being lit up behind from a few feet away. (I was also approaching very suspiciously - tucked to the side of the wall, trying to hide my glow stick, had my gun at a low ‘ready’ etc)

Dead rags show a player is out of the game, other options if you have a well managed and enforced arm band system the dead players can be shown by removing their armband (or ideally armbands on both arms)

By default I allow dead man walking when writing event rules, and both in the game pack and morning brief.  Though there are times that I don’t permit it, due to the game format, field layout etc 

 

[SheriffHD]

My dead rag is a cheap red t-shirt from Primark that i've torn up to make a few. 

At the last game I went to i think I was the only person who had any resemblance of a dead rag.

It should become more common as i think it would help alot with overshooting and people complaining about being shot when they lollygag on the walk back to respawn.

 

[Jaylordofwaargh]

Are dead rags more of a mil/battlesim/ usa thing? I have never been to a site that has mentioned them, it has always been explicit hand up and/or deadman walking - it was quiet clear in the briefing that if you didnt have hand up/ were calling or hand hands on weapons in any form of 'ready'  and you got shot it was your own fault. 

They encouraged not mag dumping on players that might be dead, double tap is fine. 

As @Tommikka mentioned, if you can be sneaky, do that. Any use of dead player markers is cheating.

 

[TheFull9]

Never heard of/seen them used here myself in any game, but totally standard in the US.  So cheap and simple to get I can't see a disadvantage to them; very black and white system for clearly showing current player status.

 

[sharpe]

if no hand up or even remotely up, then I'll take one shot at them (aim at plate carrier, somewhere you'll hear it at least I'm not being a dick if they are already dead) if they are dead already its a gentle reminder to put their hand up, if they are trying to be sneaky then I've got them.  

 

[Shamal]

 I can't see a disadvantage to them; very black and white.

Err red lol

Regards 

 

[Shane0040]

its airsoft if u get the drop on someone ,shoot them ,end of

 

[Tommikka]

its airsoft if u get the drop on someone ,shoot them ,end of

Not necessarily - you get the drop on a group and shoot then you get one of them before the rest hear your AEG motor kick in, or just the shooting.

Tap your hand on a shoulder and you can get two or three pretty easily, more if everyone’s looking the other way.

If I create a mission to capture and return an object, you sneak your way around behind the lines, spot the object with a group ‘defending’ it who are paying no attention as they hear the firefights far away.  Tap a couple of shoulders and you can pick it up and walk back the way you came, fire one shot and you’ve wasted all

your effort 

 

[Sema Dragun]

as a general rule if my hand isn't up i try not to get too annoyed if i get winged, shit happens after all and i have twitch shot folks walking back without hands up (with appropriate apologies issued of course)

dead rags wouldn't be a bad idea, i have a couple but never really used them because nobody seems to understand the concept here.

Yep dead rags work well specially if their bright hi-vis, orange is a good colour that pops.

 

[Enid_Puceflange]

Yep dead rags work well specially if their bright hi-vis, orange is a good colour that pops.

Dead rags are normally red, like blood red

are you thinking of wearing a Marshall’s high viz vest? That’d help to stop you getting fired at ?

 

[Druid799]

Personally ? I think when you come down to it in the end there’s always going to be a high risk you’ll still get shot no matter WHAT you do to try and advertise your a ‘deadman walking’ your always going to have the “there’s movement over there , not got a clue what side there on or if there in play or not But I’ll still open fire on them just in case” players , and the “it’s only a BB gun man up and take it you pussy !” Players on the field so it’s gonna happen . Say’la’vie !?‍

 

[Shamal]

I think a flashing orange light should be attached to your swede and activated to signify you are hit. Like the ones on the motorway diggers.They can be seen for freakin' miles.?

No misunderstanding here marshall.

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Regards 

 

[Sema Dragun]

Dead rags are normally red, like blood red

are you thinking of wearing a Marshall’s high viz vest? That’d help to stop you getting fired at ?

No not a marshals vest, blood red can be really hard to see sometimes, high-vis orange simply stands out, have played with those before.

Ha ha what a hi-vis ghillie suit is a bad idea?

 

[Wolfie]

Is this the reason I got peppered several times whilst having one hand in the air (holding my gun aloft) and walking back to spawn? This sport is based on honesty. If you're going to use tactics like this. Expect other players to not beleive you and keep shooting till you leave the play area. As you can guess... I'm absolutely against this type of thing and if the site allowed it. I would find another site. Its killing the sport for others.

 

[Speedbird_666]

I managed to pull off a dead mans walk on Wednesday, walked completely around the opposition (easy to do at Ground Zero), lit 6 up before they noticed my armband colours.

I wouldn't normally do it, but the game was at a stalemate, and no one was really bothered about playing the objective, so I thought 'fuck it', stood up and went for a nice little stroll. Kept my gun down, head up and walked with enough nonchalance that nobody batted an eyelid or fired a round in my direction.

Shady? Probably. But if dicks can run around the site shining Green Lasers into kids eyes and still be within the site rules, I figured 'why not'.

 

[Adolf Hamster]

if you went around them isn't that just a standard flanking maneuver?

 

[MiK]

Heheheh not really shady TBH as the Hamster says a standard flanking manoeuvre but I would have dropped a couple of flash bangs and fired off like a crazy person shouting in full suicide bomber mode

 

[Speedbird_666]

if you went around them isn't that just a standard flanking maneuver?

Probably wasn't within the 'spirit' of that particular game (I was a defender of a firebase) but no limits were set in terms of boundaries for either teams (GZ is fucking mahoosive).

One bloke I shot was like 'are you supposed to be this far away from your base' - my response was that we were not told that we had to stay close to it during the briefing, to which he reluctantly agreed.

That, and the opposition team could clearly see me walking around, but decided not to shoot in my direction due to my demeanor, thinking I was out of the game.

 

[Rogerborg]

I think it's fine, as long as you never, ever complain about being lit up like a Christmas tree the nanosecond that your hand wavers one tenth of a degree away from fully vertical. Ever.