Cunning or Cheating?

[Jaylordofwaargh]

As with many here I dont see the point of a bang rule, you double tap or you offer them to walk quietly, but always ready to double tap. Yes, this is heavily influenced by the site I was at often.

As for the sneaky 'deadman' depending on site rules, if you dont look and act dead I will enact rule #1 (make sure their dead....

 

[Adolf Hamster]

I've always treated bang kills as courtesy only, my logic is if you give a bang kill and they can pull some matrix shenanigans and shoot you before you shoot them then it wasnt a proper bang kill.

 

[Groot]

Absolutely cheating . No questions. 

Most briefs I have been in clearly talk about doing exactly what he does as cheating. 

What a cunt

 

[Tackle]

Absolutely cheating . No questions. 

Most briefs I have been in clearly talk about doing exactly what he does as cheating. 

What a cunt

Stop beating around the bush mate, say what you mean ?

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[Stacius]

An instance of this occurred in a game I had, in the days prior to lockdown. A group of 6 decided to dead mans walk out of a tunnel, that had been getting absolutely peppered, and behind our team. I was actually in a different area at this time so can only recount what I was told, that they were challenged and one of them did raise their hand, so we’re left. 
 When I arrived this same group were in an elevated position, shredding our team with concentrated fire now. Due to the bottleneck of the tunnel mouth we were assaulting.

? speaking to the players this group walked past, you would absolutely have called cheating. However, like most in here I believe that if unsure then a few semi auto shots will soon determine. Technically it’s not cheating, in my opinion, just dishonourable. 

 

[Adolf Hamster]

It's an unfair move. But. In real life people do pretend to be dead and surprise the enemy. So much in fact that in the armies (not UK) they are taught to shoot seemingly dead people when they are clearing a building.

whilst this is a very valid point, corpses tend not to get pissed off if they get an extra couple of rounds pumped in them by everyone passing by.

 

[Cr0-Magnon]

Technically it’s not cheating, in my opinion, just dishonourable. 

Being dishonourable in a game which relies upon honour is tantamount to cheating.

 

[DrAlexanderTobacco]

Being dishonourable in a game which relies upon honour is tantamount to cheating.

Agreed, but "tantamount" does the heavy lifting there.

Site rules could help clear up issues like this - I think sites need to make "dead rags" mandatory tbh, they're great and would go a long way to solving a whole load of problems with Airsoft respawning. I see far too many people walking in a lazy fashion *into the game*, identical to how they walk back to regen - so, sorry guys but I won't feel too much shame if I tag someone who's not making it clear whether they're dead or not.

 

[Tommikka]

An instance of this occurred in a game I had, in the days prior to lockdown. A group of 6 decided to dead mans walk out of a tunnel, that had been getting absolutely peppered, and behind our team. I was actually in a different area at this time so can only recount what I was told, that they were challenged and one of them did raise their hand, so we’re left. 
 When I arrived this same group were in an elevated position, shredding our team with concentrated fire now. Due to the bottleneck of the tunnel mouth we were assaulting.

? speaking to the players this group walked past, you would absolutely have called cheating. However, like most in here I believe that if unsure then a few semi auto shots will soon determine. Technically it’s not cheating, in my opinion, just dishonourable. 

That’s a bit different to a standard dead mans walk 

With one raising their hand there is a deliberate deception.  If they walked as a group and one raise their hand when challenged then it is pointing to deception rather than non aggression.

As described I would probably call it as cheating 

It’s closer to shielding behind a dead player which is on the verge of cheating

 

[Cr0-Magnon]

Site rules could help clear up issues like this - I think sites need to make "dead rags" mandatory tbh

I'm on board with this. You're either in "alive" and can be shot or you've already been shot and are leaving the game/respawning. I've been guilty of not keeping my arm up, especially near the end of the day.

I had it once where someone on the opposite team had been shot (I didn't know this) and rather than heading straight back to respawn they walked a few steps and set-up to roll a cigarette on a blue plastic drum. I couldn't really tell what they were doing but saw them standing casually and decided to send a round their way to test it. It connected and they threw their hands up in the air swearing their heads-off. It was hilarious. Same thing goes for people who look around to see who shot them rather than getting out of the way, as well as those who have been shot and walk in front of players on their team pushing forward...they're all fair game!

 

[EvilMonkee]

What next though? Hiding your ARMBAND, because hey the marshal didn't say we COULDN'T!? 

Speak to every Ghillie suit sniper ever then.....

 

[Adolf Hamster]

I had it once where someone on the opposite team had been shot (I didn't know this) and rather than heading straight back to respawn they walked a few steps and set-up to roll a cigarette on a blue plastic drum. I couldn't really tell what they were doing but saw them standing casually and decided to send a round their way to test it. It connected and they threw their hands up in the air swearing their heads-off. It was hilarious. Same thing goes for people who look around to see who shot them rather than getting out of the way, as well as those who have been shot and walk in front of players on their team pushing forward...they're all fair game!

there is always an element of confusion, if your hand isn't up and you're walking back to your lines then it's reasonable to expect folk on your own team will be expecting the enemy to be coming towards them from that direction and will quite reasonably shoot at the first bush that twitches. hell this happened to me yesterday and was a clear-cut case of mistaken identity (he apologised, i took the mickey out of him for being an idiot, all was well and good)

as with all things in this game it's contextual, legit cases of accidents or mistaken identity aren't anything to get worked up about, it's only when folk are being especially ignorant or intentionally malicious that it can get aggravating.

 

[Druid799]

I had it once where someone on the opposite team had been shot (I didn't know this) and rather than heading straight back to respawn they walked a few steps and set-up to roll a cigarette on a blue plastic drum. I couldn't really tell what they were doing but saw them standing casually and decided to send a round their way to test it. It connected and they threw their hands up in the air swearing their heads off 

Totally his own fault (deserved it just for smoking , vile habit?) no that’s fair game if your doing things like that . I’m neither for or against the ‘Bang rule’ I’m more of a ‘you get the drop on the other player they either take it graciously and accept the other player got them good and proper or they try some matrix shit and get shot ! Had an incident at a game where I got the drop royally on a player where I had my AEG barrel literally touching his cheek . I said “I think you’ll take the walk ?” He looked at me and unbelievably slowly started to raise his shottie ! I just looked at him and said “are seriously going to do that?” At this point I was taken out by another player so the incident finished but when I went and spoke to a marshal to report this fool doing something that stupid his reply was “well you should have put a round in to him Then !” I looked at him and just turned and walked away thinking what’s the point , no way I’m shooting someone point blank in the face on purpose . AND before the forum hard men start with the “take the shot or don’t play !”crap if I had done that I do think I could have been opening my self up to a possible assault charge for doing it .

 

[Cr0-Magnon]

his reply was “well you should have put a round in to him Then !” I looked at him and just turned and walked away thinking what’s the point.

This does get my goat. At the same site I've seen Marshals mocking players for trying to use the bang rule, they've also had a go at people for shooting when they're too close.

 

[Adolf Hamster]

“well you should have put a round in to him Then !”

this is my normal response, but generally i'm aiming somewhere a little less sensitive.

last time i gave a bang kill it was that close, had the barrel of the makarov against the guys shoulder, although granted an 0.75j gun into a padded webbing strap is a totally different kettle of fish.

you did the right thing (annoying as i'm sure it was to go through), a little compassion for the poor sod on the recieving end goes a long way.

 

[Groot]

I think the bang rule can be used and should be used if you have the option. 

However, it should always be used in the situation where if the person you bang even flinches, you can just unload into them. 

I use it loads and only a very few times can I remember them trying to be smart and well.. failing... Followed by their instant regret. 

 

[dannyeprice23]

Unsportsmanlike and a bit of a dick move if you ask me. 

 

[daltonwilliams]

Sometimes it impractical for players to keep their hands up in the air if terrain is uneven and their hand is needed to support them safely crossing the field back to spawn so if loads started doing this honest dead players would be the only ones done over.

 

[Hami]

Why aren't dead rags more of a thing? 

 

[Adolf Hamster]

Why aren't dead rags more of a thing? 

Good question.

The reason i dont run one is because when i've tried in the past people still just shot me because they didnt know what a dead rag was.

But thats a problem that can be easily solved by the site pointing it out.