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Agreed but some places make it far to easy which is why some places count gun related murders in the 10s and others in the 10s of thousands.
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Agreed but some places make it far to easy which is why some places count gun related murders in the 10s and others in the 10s of thousands.
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Ok, I will say it again. The media lies, they are adding stuff in there to exasperate the falsities from truth.
Of that 1 million, I will bet there is a 99.9% reason of corrupt data, incomplete data, or is a duplicate entry.
There are more, what they call "delays", for reasons of same names, data entry errors, or something else that does not indicate a "prohibited person".
I will provide a link to the Form 4473 that we have to fill out (with some exceptions this is not needed) at the time we purchase a firearm.
It basically wants to know your readily available Name, age, race, etc.. Our Social Security number is one given to use at a young age, and is the ONLY thing the federal Gov't has to make us unique. Tracking
. It is NOT required and some folks are tinfoil hat nervous about this, so they opt to leave it out. How many John Smith do you think exist in the USA? Tens of thousands. You can guess why that may cause a delay in the right circumstance. Makes sense.
Now, we run MILLIONS of 4473/background checks per year, 2021 there were over 38 million alone.
That is one person, with a minimum of one gun per data point. It could be 1 or 100 guns, but ONLY one person.
To have 1 million delayed is very understandable as a margin of data point errors. More so when dealing with an incompetent govt agency. Pretty sure the UK is just as bad..LOL.
Out of that 1 mil that very well may be a known felon? I would say one in 5 million. They are very anal about putting felons on the data records, and part of that Delay up above. They will accidently put it ON more people than NOT putting it on the ones they should.
Before you bring up any of our more famous "mass shootings", these are failures AT A COMMUNITY level. So, the local dont give a shit if they are protecting a nut job, and those types are.....well.... you will have to do the math.
Use this link to see total number of 4473/background checks since 1998.
https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/nics_firearm_checks_-_month_year.pdf/view
CHEATER:
Last 24 years, there were 427,444,071 BG/4473 ran.
In the last 24 years, I dont think we have had 12 of those mass shootings.
The ratios are something beyond my math skills , but I am sure people have a better chance of hitting the 100 million lottery than they do getting killed by a mass shooter.
I will take those odds all day long. As for the day to day shootings we have, well, that TOO is a local problem and not country wide. Just a small compact area where leadership fails to maintain peace. It is very confusing to people who do not live here and I understand your sentiment, but I am happy to give you the truth. No hard feelings at all. Truth should never make one mad.
Like I said, I HAVE to pay attention to the guns laws and news as people want to make me, and every other law abiding gun owner, a criminal. Think about that.
So we know the truth/facts, and love to share it.
Link to the 4473 form
https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/4473-part-1-firearms-transaction-record-over-counter-atf-form-53009/download
If you are buying at a private sale, this is not required, but you can take the gun to an FFL and have it done there.
Both you and the buyer would pay $25 or more each to the FFL.
Once this is filled out, it is sent into the the FBI national criminal database (all computer driven). Within an hour it is either good , denied. Sometimes that answer can go out 24 hours. There is also a number of days it can go unanswered before being considered "good to go". I would like to say 5 days. I can hunt it down if you would like.
I have a concealed carry permit, so my 4473 goes straight to the storage bin and bypasses the check. I have already been....well..... licensed to bypass that check.
Cost me about $15 per 5 years. It also means I can pack a pistol on me as I go about my daily life. If I have on pants, I have a gun. LOL.
Not that I am scared, but for the same reason I wear my seatbelt. Never know when it will come in handy.
Ok, next question
clumpyedge
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....and the rest depending which county/force you are having to deal with you could be looking at 2 years before you even get a home visit and even then you may not be granted a cert. I consider myself lucky mine was done and dusted in 5 months. Also a lot of GP's are starting to refuse to provide medical background checks (which is part of the license grant (I paid for mine to be provided privately).
Selling shotguns in the UK has become simpler now than it used to be now that the police have moved to an online format. Now its as simple as updating your ticket and informing the police via a website of any sold/bought shotgun (can speak for FAC). Guntrader (while having a data breach mid lockdowns) is still pretty functional in terms of sales, I actually bought a new Mossberg last year and bar the seller taking a while to sort out transfer to my local RFD it was all pretty simple but still more loops to jump through than in the US where you can literally sell via craigslist - not sure if you can still sell firearms on eBay in the US though?
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Agreed, local Police Force makes a massive difference to time scales. Mine (Essex) is currently running at at least a six months wait.
The thing to remember about applying for a section2 (shotgun cert) is everybody in the U.K. is entitled to own a shotgun UNLESS the police can show you shouldn’t have one.
Firearms (section1) is the exact opposite, no entitlement, you need to prove you should have one
Im not getting on a high horse about it, but gender and sex are NOT a the same.
Case in point, LOTS of people attach a gender to their cars, give them names and refer to them as he/she or sometimes it. Obviously, they have no sex, but they do have a gender.
Personally, I don’t give a flying fuck what anybody decides to call themselves, it’s only polite to use it, whether it’s their name or their gender, so what.
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It's reasonably easy to get a shotgun cert., criminal record checks notwithstanding (and social media! If they go on your FB page and it's all punisher skulls and "I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6" shite, then you may well get a knockback).
It's also quite easy to lose a SGC.
If you're investigated for other offenses you may well have your guns temporarily confiscated, and a conviction may well mean the temporary or permanent loss of your SGC. Not just for violent offenses either. I know a guy who lost his due to a drink driving conviction. He has it back now, about 15 years later.
Thomas Hamilton was going to have his license revoked, before one of the paedophile politicians he was procuring children for put political pressure on the local authority to return his guns....
But the overwhelming majority of the time, the licensing system works as intended.
Interestingly, US gun law is insanely complex and counterintuitive in comparison to the UK, and it's very easy for the generally law-abiding citizen to fall foul of the law just by e.g crossing state lines. And falling foul of those laws might earn you a serious prison sentence or a fine that will ruin you financially. The consequences are much more dire than in the UK, where you're probably looking at 5 years max for simple possession.
It's also quite easy to lose a SGC.
If you're investigated for other offenses you may well have your guns temporarily confiscated, and a conviction may well mean the temporary or permanent loss of your SGC. Not just for violent offenses either. I know a guy who lost his due to a drink driving conviction. He has it back now, about 15 years later.
Thomas Hamilton was going to have his license revoked, before one of the paedophile politicians he was procuring children for put political pressure on the local authority to return his guns....
But the overwhelming majority of the time, the licensing system works as intended.
Interestingly, US gun law is insanely complex and counterintuitive in comparison to the UK, and it's very easy for the generally law-abiding citizen to fall foul of the law just by e.g crossing state lines. And falling foul of those laws might earn you a serious prison sentence or a fine that will ruin you financially. The consequences are much more dire than in the UK, where you're probably looking at 5 years max for simple possession.
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truckinthumper
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They must not want us Yanks seeing your world.... LOL, got a link?
Adolf Hamster
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was blocked when i was looking on mobile earlier citing copyright infringement, although not on pc for some reason....
the title is "brass eye- american gun crime" i'm sure there's variants that the bots haven't got to yet.
Rogerborg
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Seems like this preacher might have benefitted from some CQB training.
https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/07/25/nyc-bishop-robbed-jewelry-church/10142505002/
Wait, how much in jewellery?
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truckinthumper
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I saw that.... Why I dont trust the church.
I am atheist, but have no hostilities towards any religion, but this is pure garbage.
That 1 mil dollars would have been better off helping those in need, as the bible states.
So I have zero sympathy for this scam artist.
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