Can I Play With Someone Else's UKARA Membership

It's a moot point. If a shop is satisfied by the defence and presence of an adult when purchasing, then they can get a RIF. Seems the case here.

I agree with this though and it's the same when someone talks about best way to remove two tone paint etc (yes, yes I mean if they don't have a defence of course).
Of course we all know it goes on, various loopholes exploited, people manufacturing rifs from ifs etc, & 99.999999% of the time no one gives a shit, but every now & again something happens that highlights it, suicide by cop/chav on a bus etc etc, but there will be that one time when someone with clout takes notice, or even some spindoctor thinks putting the boot in to us will gain votes or deflect attention from a government fuçkup & then we'll all end like speedsofters with nerf guns..........no thank you?

 
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^^^^This. Especially when our defence was given on the basis that we'd be self policing. If as a community we're seen to be condoning, or encouraging, people to break the law our defence could easily be removed

 
Of course we all know it goes on, various loopholes exploited, people manufacturing rifs from ifs etc, & 99.999999% of the time no one gives a shit, but every now & again something happens that highlights it, suicide by cop/chav on a bus etc etc, but there will be that one time when someone with clout takes notice, or even some spindoctor thinks putting the boot in to us will gain votes or deflect attention from a government fuçkup & then we'll all end like speedsofters with nerf guns..........no thank you?


I'm with you. Obtaining a UKARA defence through playing three games is literally the easiest way to show we actually in someway give a shit about this hobby. Yet some still get-off, trying to circumnavigate it.

.....HOWEVER, I was purely referencing the OP's question.

 
I find it hard to believe any legitimate shop would sell a non skirmishing person a RIF on the promise that they'll gift it straight to their 15 year old child who does supposedly skirmish.


While I strongly suspect that OP isn't telling us the whole story, I can't see much of a problem with the sell-to-gift process, if everyone is open and above board about it.

Given that it's always been legal to gift a RIF, buying one to gift to a 16 year old who has gone through the exact same process as anyone else who's got UKARA seems to me to satisfy the intent of the law, which is to make it available only for "the organisation and holding of permitted activities".

I understand that we don't want RIFs getting into the hands of rogues, and it was a poor show by OP to ask how to get around the VCRA.  However, if he's now found a way to get one without subterfuge by playing some airsoft first, it's big shrugs from me.

Some things I'm bearing in mind:

1. There is no age limit on the defence for modification, so it's always been legal for his dad to get a two-tone, then for him to modify it into a RIF for the purposes of organised airsofting.

2. Berating the lad achieves nothing.  If he can get his hands on a two-tone then there is in practice nothing stopping him from modifying it. All we can do is to encourage him towards the most responsible route,which is to play first, then postpone any purchases until later.

3. ... because he might be a fantasist who never does any of this anyway.

 
Lol, I'm deffo thinking number 3

While I strongly suspect that OP isn't telling us the whole story, I can't see much of a problem with the sell-to-gift process, if everyone is open and above board about it.

Given that it's always been legal to gift a RIF, buying one to gift to a 16 year old who has gone through the exact same process as anyone else who's got UKARA seems to me to satisfy the intent of the law, which is to make it available only for "the organisation and holding of permitted activities".

I understand that we don't want RIFs getting into the hands of rogues, and it was a poor show by OP to ask how to get around the VCRA.  However, if he's now found a way to get one without subterfuge by playing some airsoft first, it's big shrugs from me.

Some things I'm bearing in mind:

1. There is no age limit on the defence for modification, so it's always been legal for his dad to get a two-tone, then for him to modify it into a RIF for the purposes of organised airsofting.

2. Berating the lad achieves nothing.  If he can get his hands on a two-tone then there is in practice nothing stopping him from modifying it. All we can do is to encourage him towards the most responsible route,which is to play first, then postpone any purchases until later.

3. ... because he might be a fantasist who never does any of this anyway.

 
But neither the OP or his father have a defence. The OP isn't old enough and his father isn't an airsofter


That's partially inaccurate. There is no minimum age limit to have a defence - if an 8-year-old played airsoft three times in two months at a site for which public liability insurance is held, he'd have the same defence as anyone else. The only differences are (a) he'd be too young to register that defence with UKARA, (b) because he's too young to buy any airsoft gun. As @Rogerborg says:

1. There is no age limit on the defence for modification, so it's always been legal for his dad to get a two-tone, then for him to modify it into a RIF for the purposes of organised airsofting.


There is nothing illegal about OP's father (over 18... I hope) purchasing an IF and gifting it to OP, OP playing (or having already played) his three games in two months to have a defence, and finally OP manufacturing a RIF by stripping the bright paint off his IF.

As to whether or not this "person who doesn't have a defence purchasing a RIF to immediately gift to someone who does" is legitimate... I think there's an argument to be made that it could be. PatrolBase need to be able to show that they made the gun available for the purposes of airsoft, and if they know OP has a defence and but-for being a minor would be able to purchase a RIF himself, I think they could say that they made it available for that purpose. Whether or not they will do that - and I strongly suspect they won't - is up to them.

 
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Lol, I'm deffo thinking number 3


It's what I thought right away, which is why I'm not that fussed by this thread.

What 15 year old lad wouldn't browse PatrolBase and then come up a wizard wheeze to get his hands on some of that tacticool kit?

All that aside, if he's keen to try airsoft, good for him. Let's get him playing at a proper site, then a solution will present itself.

 
It just doesn't look great and for airsoft games its to bright
Agree, but it's a necessary evil that some new players have to adhere to in order to own "guns" , there are legal alternatives that also make rif ownership possible, but some people always seem to be intent on avoiding all the legal routes to ownership.

That puts all the long term dedicated players at risk, personally I don't want people in our sport that are prepared to do that to us ?

 
It just doesn't look great and for airsoft games its to bright


I absolutely hate two tone guns too but Defconairsoft use a dull, blue paint for two toned guns so they don't look as bad. Every Gun I've purchased thus far has been from there and one thing I've noticed is the paint application is so light that it chips off by itself gradually. Unfortunately it also stains my plate carriers. But anyway, the end result is a pretty decent weathered look once it's handled for a while. My old Firehawk looks super weathered after coming up to 2 years since I bought it. (The contrast in the pictures taken from my phone's cam don't do it justice. But trust me its a dull light blue.)

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Defconairsoft use a dull, blue paint for two toned guns... the paint application is so light that it chips off by itself gradually.


Trading standards and UKARA police need a tip off to stop such shoddy workmanship ;)

 
Trading standards and UKARA police need a tip off to stop such shoddy workmanship ;)
Yeah how dare those guys!  I was loving every bit of that toy blue. ?

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