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BRITISH AIRSOFT CLUB ANNOUNCEMENT.....
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Mack
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From their facebook
** IMPORTANT NOTICE - CHANGE OF POLICY **
It has been brought to our attention that a member of UKARA has falsified their player self check in an attempt to become a member of the BAC.
The BAC policy was to accept existing UKARA members into the BAC by the member forwarding their own UKARA player self check email. We did not think for one moment that an existing UKARA member would doctor their legitimate e-mail to create a false identity in order to attack the credibility of BAC. The whole idea of the player self check was to enable the easy transfer of existing registered UKARA players to the BAC.
We have found that 99% of airsofters are honest and honourable, however this incident has identified the 1% that are dishonest and unscrupulous. Therefore we have modified our practice accordingly.
95% of existing BAC members have been identified through our stringent checks via direct contact with the airsoft sites verifying games played.
We regret to say that going forward, we no longer be able to accept existing UKARA players via their player self check e-mail. This is to prevent any further attempted security breeches. All players will need to identify the last three games played over a period of time greater than 56 days. This will then be verified by the BAC via direct contact with the airsoft site. This should now prevent any other dishonest parties trying to infiltrate and discredit the BAC.
We thank the BAC members for their continued support.
Best wishes,
BAC
** IMPORTANT NOTICE - CHANGE OF POLICY **
It has been brought to our attention that a member of UKARA has falsified their player self check in an attempt to become a member of the BAC.
The BAC policy was to accept existing UKARA members into the BAC by the member forwarding their own UKARA player self check email. We did not think for one moment that an existing UKARA member would doctor their legitimate e-mail to create a false identity in order to attack the credibility of BAC. The whole idea of the player self check was to enable the easy transfer of existing registered UKARA players to the BAC.
We have found that 99% of airsofters are honest and honourable, however this incident has identified the 1% that are dishonest and unscrupulous. Therefore we have modified our practice accordingly.
95% of existing BAC members have been identified through our stringent checks via direct contact with the airsoft sites verifying games played.
We regret to say that going forward, we no longer be able to accept existing UKARA players via their player self check e-mail. This is to prevent any further attempted security breeches. All players will need to identify the last three games played over a period of time greater than 56 days. This will then be verified by the BAC via direct contact with the airsoft site. This should now prevent any other dishonest parties trying to infiltrate and discredit the BAC.
We thank the BAC members for their continued support.
Best wishes,
BAC
Unrustle_Thine_Jimmies
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jeffery7466
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Their "Important Notice" makes me sick. It sounds like a child trying to sound all grown up.
Airsoft-Ed
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They have blocked people for calling them out on data issues like this. Instead of addressing things properly they make up a half arsed, poorly written excuse, with made up statistics, that will tide over the majority of people, and block all the people who won't let it slide.
I personally have no issues with selling RIFs to anyone at all. If they act like a dick with it, so what? They'd have only bought it from someone else anyway, or bought a two tone and painted it, or bought an air gun. Then they'll be let off anyway because there's a million and one loop holes they could've obtained a RIF through anyway.
It is the principle of a defence that I stand by and that stops me from just becoming an underground black market gun launderer for the non-defence holding masses. The need for a defence is an utter waste of everyone's time and effort.
But BAC are shitting on that principle by pretending they have all these things in place to legitimise it, when they clearly do not. If they did, then they wouldn't have had to make up those percentages they stated.
I personally have no issues with selling RIFs to anyone at all. If they act like a dick with it, so what? They'd have only bought it from someone else anyway, or bought a two tone and painted it, or bought an air gun. Then they'll be let off anyway because there's a million and one loop holes they could've obtained a RIF through anyway.
It is the principle of a defence that I stand by and that stops me from just becoming an underground black market gun launderer for the non-defence holding masses. The need for a defence is an utter waste of everyone's time and effort.
But BAC are shitting on that principle by pretending they have all these things in place to legitimise it, when they clearly do not. If they did, then they wouldn't have had to make up those percentages they stated.
fivezerothree
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A few things have come of this realisation; they don't have the facilities to check or verify anything. In fact they rely solely on UKARA defectors and Skirmish Sites to verify their site membership/regular skirmish attendance.
So basically the BAC does nothing other than charge you and give you a plastic bloody card as all the work is already done for them.
In super short, if you are eligible to become BAC 'verified' – you already have a defense and can save yourself the £8 a year.
So basically the BAC does nothing other than charge you and give you a plastic bloody card as all the work is already done for them.
In super short, if you are eligible to become BAC 'verified' – you already have a defense and can save yourself the £8 a year.
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Well I have as asked for a refund on my own actual membership with them only for them to say NO as with the cost incurred of administration they couldn't do a refund. COST are you blinking MAD, So I apply I send MY ukara email they send me a p plastic card with about 10p worth of ink on and call that administration. HA I say.
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The point of this is they seem all about the money, a couple of people have realised there's some cash to be made from players wanting a cheaper option and who can blame a player for that Airsoft is a costly hobby in three years it's cost me about £7k or more (stupid I know) and then adding membership on top for some sites it's expensive so these have taken advantage of this fact but to IGNORE the basic checks is just madness and they call it someone TRYING to breach their security well I am sorry trying wasn't hard and I breached it alright could have wiped my arsed with it and they wouldn't have noticed. It just annoys me they after this being brought to light they still act so relaxed about the whole thing like it means nothing. a JOKE from my point of view.
BrightCandle
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I am not primciply against what BAC is doing and stands for, fundamentally I would prefer the verification of Airsoft players be out of the hands of the retailers due to the corruption of the market that I have documented before. But if they aren't checking correctly and they aren't winning mindshare with the sites and players then its not going to be very useful.
Have you tried asking for a refund for your fake account as surely they haven't printed and sent the card ?
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So it has been brought to my attention that their are a number of people which believe that I am now a Dishonest member of the airsoft community and UKARA but the steps taken were no different to what an investigative journalist would do. Also a quote has been made to me which I will put to the public and them to make their own minds up.
Is it wrong for the police to act as a child on web chats to catch Pedos !!!!!!
Is it wrong for the police to act as a child on web chats to catch Pedos !!!!!!
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Nickona
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To be fair I would never expect to be refunded for any membership as you buy membership for a year and thats the transaction done, like buying any other good. Otherwise they could just have people sign on, buy a RIF and then cancel.
Qlimax you should probably have paid and seen if they would have noticed a different name on the payment. Also I highly doubt anyone outside of the airsoft world would be able to fake a UKARA e-mail or even know they exist and whats included, granted they should have double checked anyway
CaptainSwoop
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I would never join a club that would have me as a member
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If a payment was to have been made an accuse could have been made for why someone else made the payment plus they say they check everyone's UKARA status and site before they contact you asking for your UKARA stuff which they obviously don't and haven't done so They also claim to ask for additional I.D such as driving license and credit card NEITHER of which I was asked for on either my own application or the fake one in question. I love how they are just pushing the blame my way and not actually accepting they cocked up BIG TIME either through laziness or for the fact they simply just want your money.
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