Body worn video for marshalls

[Robert James]

Can't remember his username,  just that while everyone who'd seen the vid was in agreement the body language indicated he'd seen the gun before walking on it at least twice ?(I think), this guy argued otherwise.

Anybody else remember it ?

Only person I remember arguing with everyone was "Duff" but unsure if it was him arguing. 

"Hang on, wait a second: I'll get my camera, then I'll need you to do it again."

Exactly my thoughts

 

[Tackle]

Only person I remember arguing with everyone was "Duff" but unsure if it was him arguing. 

Nah, wasn't him, seem to remember to remember the same guy kicking off at me when I pointed out a very distinctive afo, think facial tattoos & mad max mullet, had no persec & that previously it wouldn't have been allowed. 

 

[Shamal]

I've been chewing this over and scratching my skull.....??

 

[Colin Allen]

Can't remember his username,  just that while everyone who'd seen the vid was in agreement the body language indicated he'd seen the gun before walking on it at least twice ?(I think), this guy argued otherwise.

Anybody else remember it ?

I remember the discussion and have been trying to use this site's pretty useless search function to track it down, with no joy.

 

[Tommikka]

Nah, wasn't him, seem to remember to remember the same guy kicking off at me when I pointed out a very distinctive afo, think facial tattoos & mad max mullet, had no persec & that previously it wouldn't have been allowed. 

About 11 minutes in

 

[Robert James]

About 11 minutes in

Can't lie, saw my posts, thought it was me ?, however I kept reading 

 

[Dan Robinson]

Fuck me that was a rabbit hole.... to save reviving that thread - it was a blatant stepping on the RIF.  You would notice the different feel to the ground, and attached tree roots don't move like that - and if they were loose you would look down naturally to check your footing if only to protect your own pew from "death by fat fuck falling on it".

That's ignoring the laugh at the end and definite pause in step and obvious change in direction of his walk.

 

[Tackle]

Can't lie, saw my posts, thought it was me ?, however I kept reading 

No Rob, you were the voice of reason, not the argumentative wanker.

Honest?

 

[Dan Robinson]

Plus having a second look at the vid - that gun sticks out like a sore thumb on that ground cover (or lack of).  You would have seen that in your peripheral vision as well as in front of you once you'd turned - even in that kind of mask.  FOV isn't restrict THAT much.

 

[Sewdhull]

The main benefit for body worn type cameras is so that you get an impartial view of events. Ppl are awful for providing evidence, of anything.

Let's have them everywhere I say

 

[Tackle]

The main benefit for body worn type cameras is so that you get an impartial view of events. Ppl are awful for providing evidence, of anything.

Let's have them everywhere I say

I'd like to see them in all the hospitals, but that's a whole new rant thread I think?

 

[Sewdhull]

Plus having a second look at the vid - that gun sticks out like a sore thumb on that ground cover (or lack of).  You would have seen that in your peripheral vision as well as in front of you once you'd turned - even in that kind of mask.  FOV isn't restrict THAT much.

Whilst your eyes might see it, what you percieve is something else. Even looking for something in particular you brain may decide to ignore it...mine does when I'm looking for my keys for example

I'd like to see them in all the hospitals, but that's a whole new rant thread I think?

I'm with you there, my feeling is that people working somewhere should have that where it enhances Thier safety.

 

[Cannonfodder]

The main benefit for body worn type cameras is so that you get an impartial view of events. Ppl are awful for providing evidence, of anything.

Let's have them everywhere I say

Another is that people tend to drop the Billy big balls act when they realise they're on camera

I'd like to see them in all the hospitals, but that's a whole new rant thread I think?

Along with giving staff the right to refuse treatment to anyone acting like a cunt

 

[Dan Robinson]

Whilst your eyes might see it, what you percieve is something else. Even looking for something in particular you brain may decide to ignore it...mine does when I'm looking for my keys for example

I know perception is a bugger - I've spent ages looking for tools that I was already holding in my hand.  I would argue though that his change of direction appeared very intended, as with the stop on the RIF.  Adding things together and I feel it not unreasonable to surmise that he was being a cnut in a number of different possible perceptions of the incident.  We know he did it.  So it comes down to intent, or not.

I find it very very hard to accept he did not realise he did it (by mistake), so the cnut charge stands because he didn't come forward for reasons above (the ground and roots just don't feel the same as a RIF no matter how you cut it) and say "sorry dude I didn't see it on the floor - is it OK?".

I find the way he changed direction, moved, stopped and moved on to be very deliberate - and that's before we take into account the fact that that gun looked nothing like its surroundings - which were more or less bare earth and a few small, light grey/brown twigs.  A socking great big, green, M14 and scope would be pretty obvious.

However - the silly sausage that owned it shouldn't have left it like that....  I had a bit a WTF moment when I saw how he left it in the building at the start of the video...  Initially I thought that was the incident in question until i saw the timestamp.

Just my view on a three year old incident... Now as the other poster said in that thread - can we get back to talking about how fricking awesome I am? 

 

[Shamal]

Mrs Shamal is a teacher and I was saying that they should have body worns.

I. to back the staff up

2. To show how foul mouthed and aggressive the little shits are.

3. Evidence as to what really happened cause some of the feckers are very good at playing the victim!

The police were on the phone to her last Thursday for a witness statement due to an incident that she witnessed whereby a young nqt had two large handfuls of hair ripped out by an eight year old who claimed she pushed him and who  grabbed her hair to stop him falling. All lies.

Another teacher at same school had her finger chopped off at the second knuckle due to a lad forcefully kicking a door shut while her hand was on the door jamb.

Every night she is doing half a dozen cpoms regarding bad behaviour.

I'm glad she only has another year to go.

 

[Dan Robinson]

Mrs Shamal is a teacher and I was saying that they should have body worns.

I. to back the staff up

2. To show how foul mouthed and aggressive the little shits are.

3. Evidence as to what really happened cause some of the feckers are very good at playing the victim!

The police were on the phone to her last Thursday for a witness statement due to an incident that she witnessed whereby a young nqt had two large handfuls of hair ripped out by an eight year old who claimed she pushed him and who  grabbed her hair to stop him falling. All lies.

Another teacher at same school had her finger chopped off at the second knuckle due to a lad forcefully kicking a door shut while her hand was on the door jamb.

Every night she is doing half a dozen cpoms regarding bad behaviour.

I'm glad she only has another year to go.

Shit like that is precisely why (well along with his school being little more than a daycare) I moved the boy abroad; and his school wasn't as tough as that one sounds.  Shame the little sod doesn't appreciate it though.   Fingers crossed her last year isn't too bad.

 

[Shamal]

Shit like that is precisely why (well along with his school being little more than a daycare) I moved the boy abroad; and his school wasn't as tough as that one sounds.  Shame the little sod doesn't appreciate it though.   Fingers crossed her last year isn't too bad.

Yeah it's quite bad there. It falls under education in deprived areas.

Haha he will realise in years to come when his education is earning him a fortune. 

 

[Skullchewer]

 I've never seen someone try to square up to a Marshall 

It absolutely happens. Not too often, but it does.

There's a lot of weekend warriors that take the game, and themselves, far too seriously. Throw in some adrenaline, possibly some pain from BB hits, and you have a recipe for a macho dickhead kicking off over some imagined slight. 

Never seen it escalate to the point of a body cam being a good idea, but I wouldn't be surprised if it has happened.