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Airsoft_Mr B
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I'd try some 0.25s, if they aren't brilliant, 0.28s.
I'd try some 0.25s, if they aren't brilliant, 0.28s.
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If you really want to start using your SR-25 to it's full potential, open it's gearbox up/pay a tech to and start getting upgrade parts for it. An M120/M130 would be a good start, and you'll see immediate range benefits by using heavier BBs such as 0.30s, as they retain more kinetic energy through their flight than a 0.25g does.
Have a look at upgrade guides or ask around if you want to know how to get the best out of your SR-25, as without upgrades it's basically an inconveniently large assault rifle locked to semi
Have a look at upgrade guides or ask around if you want to know how to get the best out of your SR-25, as without upgrades it's basically an inconveniently large assault rifle locked to semi
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Probably not a good idea for him to start upping the FPS with the current BS that Salmond is trying to push through the Scottish Parliament.If you really want to start using your SR-25 to it's full potential, open it's gearbox up/pay a tech to and start getting upgrade parts for it. An M120/M130 would be a good start, and you'll see immediate range benefits by using heavier BBs such as 0.30s, as they retain more kinetic energy through their flight than a 0.25g does.
Have a look at upgrade guides or ask around if you want to know how to get the best out of your SR-25, as without upgrades it's basically an inconveniently large assault rifle locked to semi
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I've tried finding out in this forum, and by emailing pro airsoft supplies, but what would be the best pellets for the G&G combat machine cm16?
With some airsoft videos I've seen and stuff I've read up on I think some people use .23's and .25's in skirmishes.
With some airsoft videos I've seen and stuff I've read up on I think some people use .23's and .25's in skirmishes.
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Never use anything lighter than .25g, regardless of the FPS of your gun.
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Only exception to that really is CQB where engagement distances are 30-40' and there's no wind. In that environment a .20 is largely similar to a .25 in performance but cheaper.
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Or if you're running a support gun where a pot of ammo = 1 mag and lasts you a single game.
Then lighter ammo is a lot cheaper, and the volume of fire makes up for most of the disadvantages of having less accuracy and range... But it's mostly a cost issue lol
Then lighter ammo is a lot cheaper, and the volume of fire makes up for most of the disadvantages of having less accuracy and range... But it's mostly a cost issue lol
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0.25g makes a lot of accuracy difference for me in doors at just 10m when compared to 0.20g. 0.28g also makes even more difference. At some point the projectile gets too slow to be used effectively against moving targets, but the heavier BBs for me at least seem to be measurably more accurate.
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It's all in your head, the difference in time to target below 50' with a .20 and a .30 is very small fractions of a second:
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I have to say I'm pretty impressed by the data James is quoting above, but I believe that the performance of your hop set up is key to matching those results. In my experience you can have to put the hop on so much to lift heavy BB's that you do not get the benefits of extra range, because the power is reduced. The best bet then is to experiment.
But an SR-25 really should be putting out enough power that 0.25g is the minimum weight to use. Still, just because an AEG looks like a DMR doesn't mean it has the internals to perform as one. If you don't want to up the power to 1.6-ish Joules, a DMR should still be consistently very close to your fav site's limit. Consistency can be increased by a better air seal, which also increases the power without changing the spring, and increases accuracy, since the BBs' trajectory will be more similar.
But an SR-25 really should be putting out enough power that 0.25g is the minimum weight to use. Still, just because an AEG looks like a DMR doesn't mean it has the internals to perform as one. If you don't want to up the power to 1.6-ish Joules, a DMR should still be consistently very close to your fav site's limit. Consistency can be increased by a better air seal, which also increases the power without changing the spring, and increases accuracy, since the BBs' trajectory will be more similar.
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Those numbers are based on hop-up settings to provide a straight and level trajectory for as far as possible. The amount of hop-up required is largely irrelevant as the maths is based on the muzzle energy rather than the energy output of the spring. A gun which only requires one click of hop-up to lift a .25g BB with a muzzle velocity of 350fps is functionally identical to a gun that requires 10 clicks of hop-up to lift a .25g bb with a muzzle velocity of 350fps.
Only time the amount of hop needed would be relevant is if the experiments/models were done based on a gun which was chronod with hop-up off, a rule which I think when implemented is completely retarded!
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the site i use is bio only too so i buy from them although they do offer both .20 or .30. i havent tried .30 but i am considering it for the G3 although i am not sure what kind of difference it will make at its current 270fps or after its upgraded to 330 fps
.20 will do for the pistols, especially the desert eagle (the only one with auto)
.20 will do for the pistols, especially the desert eagle (the only one with auto)
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.3s will be way too heavy at that FPS, stick the .2s, or pick up something like 25s online.
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So are .20s ok at a woodland site or would .23/.25s be better??
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Writing this kinda turned into a more general rant than a reply... So yeah, just throwing it out there early so people aren't like, "What?"
One thing I've noticed about range, BB weight, barrel bore and hop up, is that a lot of the time, people will just swear by something based on one good experience. They'll never test it again, they'll never properly bench it against anything else, and they won't have the observational skill, or the time investment in the game, to actually notice minor changes in things under certain circumstances because they don't understand the science properly... Or they simply don't care.
A lot of the "OMGBESTGUNEVER" stories are essentially just 'victims' of a placebo effect, I've seen countless people showing off guns to people saying stuff like, "This has the best range ever" or "Here, want to use this for a game? It's flawless" when I've been standing over their shoulders, witnessing the untold levels of awful their gun is demonstrating.
So basically, it's all about getting your own guns, shooting to a point that you're content with. Those guys whose guns I saw were terrible, they were happy with them. They were totally fine with going into a game with something that in my opinion was too bad to be skirmished. Someone is always going to come along and chat shit without having 1/100th of a gram of sense in their heads. Someone on here might have been one of those guys. I didn't say, "No actually that's terrible, terrible performance". I just let them get on with it. But, I don't know who would see that gun performing like that and think it was amazing, and who would see it and think it was terrible, like I did.
As you're happy with it, who cares? You might think .25s perform better when a target is under 50 feet away, the science says there's little difference. You'll chalk it up to experience, people flinching when they're hit, that epic shot through a keyhole you were standing 15m back from, you could never have done that with .20s, and the guy would've just shrugged the hit off if it'd been anything under .25g.
That's fine, I do it too. Sometimes things might be better, scientifically, practically, theoretically, however-else...ally, but I don't care because I have my own beliefs. I refuse to believe widebore barrels make sense for example, but plenty of people are raving about them being the greatest thing for accuracy since rifling. I'm just not getting it, and I have yet to see first hand evidence. I think a lot of people who don't understand it, and haven't seen it either, are just taking people's word for it without waiting to see for themselves first.
If something works for you, and everything says it shouldn't... Maybe it is a placebo effect.
But... Placebos work.
Some other guy might have better range and accuracy because he did it all right, but your mentality, your belief that it works, might just align the stars and put you in a better position, you might be more tactically aware, you might be a better player. It's all in your head that the gun is better, but your experiences so far have made everything work. You're just playing for the fun, you aren't playing because you get kicks from the mind games, you just think guns are cool, or whatever.
If something works, it works. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that shit. I've have people use my pistol after showing me theirs, mine has had 3 times the range and they've just said, "Hmm, yeah, it's alright that". Are these people blind? Was their ego too damaged to comment what they really thought? Who knows? I just let people get on with it.
However! Nothing less than .25g...
.20s are for (exceptionally) poor people, support gunners, and people who just play to play, without caring how good their gun is in comparison to anyone else's.
Not sure what I was really getting at with any of that tbh, just started typing. Hey ho. Take from it what you will, hopefully I didn't subconsciously type out my allegiance to Hilter's ghost or anything.
One thing I've noticed about range, BB weight, barrel bore and hop up, is that a lot of the time, people will just swear by something based on one good experience. They'll never test it again, they'll never properly bench it against anything else, and they won't have the observational skill, or the time investment in the game, to actually notice minor changes in things under certain circumstances because they don't understand the science properly... Or they simply don't care.
A lot of the "OMGBESTGUNEVER" stories are essentially just 'victims' of a placebo effect, I've seen countless people showing off guns to people saying stuff like, "This has the best range ever" or "Here, want to use this for a game? It's flawless" when I've been standing over their shoulders, witnessing the untold levels of awful their gun is demonstrating.
So basically, it's all about getting your own guns, shooting to a point that you're content with. Those guys whose guns I saw were terrible, they were happy with them. They were totally fine with going into a game with something that in my opinion was too bad to be skirmished. Someone is always going to come along and chat shit without having 1/100th of a gram of sense in their heads. Someone on here might have been one of those guys. I didn't say, "No actually that's terrible, terrible performance". I just let them get on with it. But, I don't know who would see that gun performing like that and think it was amazing, and who would see it and think it was terrible, like I did.
As you're happy with it, who cares? You might think .25s perform better when a target is under 50 feet away, the science says there's little difference. You'll chalk it up to experience, people flinching when they're hit, that epic shot through a keyhole you were standing 15m back from, you could never have done that with .20s, and the guy would've just shrugged the hit off if it'd been anything under .25g.
That's fine, I do it too. Sometimes things might be better, scientifically, practically, theoretically, however-else...ally, but I don't care because I have my own beliefs. I refuse to believe widebore barrels make sense for example, but plenty of people are raving about them being the greatest thing for accuracy since rifling. I'm just not getting it, and I have yet to see first hand evidence. I think a lot of people who don't understand it, and haven't seen it either, are just taking people's word for it without waiting to see for themselves first.
If something works for you, and everything says it shouldn't... Maybe it is a placebo effect.
But... Placebos work.
Some other guy might have better range and accuracy because he did it all right, but your mentality, your belief that it works, might just align the stars and put you in a better position, you might be more tactically aware, you might be a better player. It's all in your head that the gun is better, but your experiences so far have made everything work. You're just playing for the fun, you aren't playing because you get kicks from the mind games, you just think guns are cool, or whatever.
If something works, it works. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and all that shit. I've have people use my pistol after showing me theirs, mine has had 3 times the range and they've just said, "Hmm, yeah, it's alright that". Are these people blind? Was their ego too damaged to comment what they really thought? Who knows? I just let people get on with it.
However! Nothing less than .25g...
.20s are for (exceptionally) poor people, support gunners, and people who just play to play, without caring how good their gun is in comparison to anyone else's.
Not sure what I was really getting at with any of that tbh, just started typing. Hey ho. Take from it what you will, hopefully I didn't subconsciously type out my allegiance to Hilter's ghost or anything.
