Are they serious? - Bolster Armouries 'Advanced' M4s and HiCapas

I spat my proverbial coffee out when I saw the price of these guns. 

 
Yeah if you buy that AEG then buy all the other stuff they've put in/on it, factor in the time to make it and then make a profit it's going to cost something like that... ish.  Big whoop ?‍♂️

I've got a standard AR AEG build going on at LC's Engineering at the moment, will cost me a couple hundred more when all is said and done (spread out over many years), but it'll be far better in many, many ways.  At least as far as I'm concerned personally.  Most airsofters don't actually posses the depth of nerd knowledge relating to AR/AR AEG parts to know how to put together such a build though; sorry if that reads as pompous but believe me I do badly enough with the ladies to ensure you it is not - just a raw fact.

If you want a super duper gucci gun and you have the money then obviously there's lots of platforms you can choose from but I'd say the AR AEG probably has the widest choice of parts to use and hence most customisation potential, especially if you have/know someone that has a good die set and a mill.  Which is ironic because my own build when finished will look super generic and boring to 99% of people despite the rarity of the parts used, but I'm an objective weirdo like that.

 
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TheFull9 said:
Yeah if you buy that AEG then buy all the other stuff they've put in/on it, factor in the time to make it and then make a profit it's going to cost something like that... ish.  Big whoop ?‍♂️

I've got a standard AR AEG build going on at LC's Engineering at the moment, will cost me a couple hundred more when all is said and done (spread out over many years), but it'll be far better in many, many ways.  At least as far as I'm concerned personally.  Most airsofters don't actually posses the depth of nerd knowledge relating to AR/AR AEG parts to know how to put together such a build though; sorry if that reads as pompous but believe me I do badly enough with the ladies to ensure you it is not - just a raw fact.

If you want a super duper gucci gun and you have the money then obviously there's lots of platforms you can choose from but I'd say the AR AEG probably has the widest choice of parts to use and hence most customisation potential, especially if you have/know someone that has a good die set and a mill.  Which is ironic because my own build when finished will look super generic and boring to 99% of people despite the rarity of the parts used, but I'm an objective weirdo like that.
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While you're right about the pricing of this I think what people are laughing at is that it's not going to perform much better than a £200 cyma with £200 of upgrades. I'll admit I've put more into my M4 than that but it's been built from the ground up to be exactly what I want. I can't see many people paying that much for something that isn't unique to them in some way

 
Well of course that's taken as read, but almost no assault rifle style RIFs that costs more than a good batch CYMA with (at most) 2-3 hundred worth of upgrades will offer better range and accuracy.  How much more of a dead horse can possibly be flogged than an idea that basic realistically?  In classic hypocritical fashion the highly ironically condescending and unnecessarily foul reverse-snobbery has always been very much alive and well on this board.  I don't see that ever changing so irrespective of it's pervasiveness I personally continue to come here anyway, because this is mostly a good site and definitely one of very few airsoft forums still left fairly active; most members are pretty decent folks overall.  I also feel it's pretty important to try and keep boards like this alive as alternatives to the shit shows that are most airsoft facebook groups of significant size and not highly specific.

I wasn't saying the Bolster is top value or that anyone should buy it, that's why I mentioned my own build in an attempt to imply that because said built is the path I'm following it's also the one I'd recommend; but that may have not been super clear and that's my error if so.  But if someone out there with deep pockets wants a gucci AEG and doesn't have the utterly indescribably niche expertise to realise how else to spend that same money for something nicer/get the performance for less money, maybe being a fucking massive cunt to them isn't the way forward.  Dunno just a thought that enters my mind.  eta - not saying that's what people here did, saying it'd be an idea to avoid doing so.

 
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TheFull9 said:
Yeah if you buy that AEG then buy all the other stuff they've put in/on it, factor in the time to make it and then make a profit it's going to cost something like that
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It just won't though. You could buy all of that for about £1100 retail, including the £200 of external rubbish, and don't tell me its costs £300 to fit a titan, a motor, a new cylinder, and a hop.

It's a retailer doing the exact same idiocy as many airsofters with deep pockets do when they buy a TM and replace every part of it for no reason. Except you're being charged a premium for someone else to make the mistakes for you with the guise of it being done by "professionals". It's not being balked at because it's expensive, it's because it's f?ing stupid. 

 
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It's a retailer doing the exact same idiocy as many airsofters with deep pockets do when they buy a TM and replace every part of it for no reason. Except you're being charged a premium for someone else to make the mistakes for you with the guise of it being done by "professionals".
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This is just a meme imo. Plenty of great upgraded TMs out there (and a lot of bad ones!). Does a TM function insanely well out of the box? Absolutely, and it's target market and subsequent internals mean that you need to replace a lot if you want to do it properly.

But if you want "recoil" and a bolt stop, with semi-accurate mag capacity (inb4 load less bbs) then the TM's what can provide that. You then just adjust stats to match through upgrades. If you've got the money and know a tech that actually knows what to do, because it's their bread and butter, there's definitely a valid reason to upgrade them.

 
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But if you want "recoil" and a bolt stop, with semi-accurate mag capacity (inb4 load less bbs) then the TM's what can provide that.
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Sure, for upgrading a system with recoil that makes sense. It makes a hell of a lot less sense to do the same to a standard aeg with no recoil system thats pretty good ootb, which is what the base krytac is. 

 
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unnecessarily foul reverse-snobbery
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As you prefer plain speaking, I'll be absolutely clear: if you pay someone else that much to build you a toy gun to play pretend soldiers with, you're a complete and utter mental case.  Genuinely not right in the head, and probably going to end up as the subject in a page 5 regional news story involving a domestic tragedy.

No caveats, no nuance, no exceptions, no apologies.

 
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Sure, for upgrading a system with recoil that makes sense. It makes a hell of a lot less sense to do the same to a standard aeg with no recoil system thats pretty good ootb, which is what the base krytac is. 
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Right, but you mentioned TMs, and that's what I was talking about in turn.

E: But with these Krytacs in particular, yea I think there's diminishing returns for sure. I think though, considering the vast gulf in performance and interaction between various airsoft parts - i.e. how one tappet plate might not work so well in one AEG, but works great in another - there's a huge benefit in a standardized list of upgrades like this, from techs who perform the work consistently.

Standard disclaimer applies ofc that I have no idea how good these actually are

 
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As you prefer plain speaking, I'll be absolutely clear: if you pay someone else that much to build you a toy gun to play pretend soldiers with, you're a complete and utter mental case.  Genuinely not right in the head, and probably going to end up as the subject in a page 5 regional news story involving a domestic tragedy.

No caveats, no nuance, no exceptions, no apologies.
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Cool story, f*** you too c***.

 
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One is Gucci, the other is poundland with a Kicking Mustang label and costs twice as much...

 
First thought on seeing those prices is 'a fool and his money are soon parted', but there are presumably enough people out there who are money rich and time poor, who don't have the time to research and tinker to achieve similar results on their own, which probably makes this endeavour worthwhile for Patrol Base.  When I started out in airsoft I baulked at the prices for some (toy) guns, and didn't mind gutting internals of lower end stuff and fettling to make them shoot as well or better than more expensive stuff. But now having made the grave error of growing up, and having too many children and other responsibilities eating away at my time, I don't mind forking out for something a bit pricier that doesn't require completely overhauling to be satisfied with. Not £1.4k though. 

 
There's paying more for better kit, and there's being bent over and letting them go in dry. This clearly falls in the latter 

 
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