Anyone played the siege project in Stoke?

[Cannonfodder]

@Tackle Unfortunately I've been busy working on a very successful venue. What would you like to ask again serious questions only folks. 

Ok, I'll bite. Why are hpa guns given a lower power limit than others?

 

[Impulse]

Ok, I'll bite. Why are hpa guns given a lower power limit than others?

bEcaUSe HPA iS tHe dEViL reeEEeEeEEeeEEEeEEEeeeEe

I was also going to write more about what I've seen here, but... there's no point as I don't think I'd get any logical answers, so I'll just sit here with my popcorn instead ?

 

[Tackle]

@Tackle Unfortunately I've been busy working on a very successful venue. What would you like to ask again serious questions only folks. 

As far as FPS limits are concerned I have to question why you want to shoot at 250fps at such short engagement ranges. The limit in fps for HPA is to level the playing field as well as taking the ballistics into consideration. Our HPA players shoot at under the 300fps limit through choice. 

I never asked a question, just made a generalised statement which fits this situation, to say you've been too busy to take 5 minutes to pop back here & answer pertinent questions sounds like bollocks to me. 

 

[Badgerlicious]

taking the ballistics into consideration

the hwat? it's not magical air, it's all air. I'd take 'not trusting HPA users' as a more serious answer. 

Site owners/staff not understanding basic air musket function is a bit of a red flag if I'm honest. Though, at the end of the day it's shouldn't be much of an issue for a HPA user, it's just a weird choice. 

 

[Cannonfodder]

As far as FPS limits are concerned I have to question why you want to shoot at 250fps at such short engagement ranges. The limit in fps for HPA is to level the playing field as well as taking the ballistics into consideration. Our HPA players shoot at under the 300fps limit through choice. 

Tell me you don't understand basic physics without saying you don't understand basic physics, 1.14 joules is 1.14 joules, no matter if the bb is propelled by a motor driven piston, gas or farting down a straw. If you don't like hpa then just say so instead of making shit up

 

[Tactical Pith Helmet]

An aeg uses a piston in a chamber that creates... high pressure air behind the BB.  

You'll be telling us that hpa breaks peoples fingers next.

So, it was Air Sniper in disguise all along!

 

[Leo Greer]

@Tackle Unfortunately I've been busy working on a very successful venue. What would you like to ask again serious questions only folks. 

As far as FPS limits are concerned I have to question why you want to shoot at 250fps at such short engagement ranges. The limit in fps for HPA is to level the playing field as well as taking the ballistics into consideration. Our HPA players shoot at under the 300fps limit through choice. 

Is the hap-hazard, almost mis-information, from who ever answered my query likely to reflect the way they run their site?

Unfortunately, most people don't understand what joule creep is, how FPS and joule output actually relate, or even what voluming is. 'Tis unfortunately likely that the folks running the field know very little about the mechanics of the RIFs themselves, regardless of how well they run the site. At my local field, I'm perhaps the only player who understands the basics of airsoft mechanics. The refs are well-meaning but clueless. When applicable I try to explain things to help educate folks, but it matters not.

To put it very, very simply; joule output on a certain BB weight is exactly the same regardless of the propellant. As soon as the BB leaves the barrel, HPA is indistinguishable from AEG or GBBR or even spring. Different BB weights do affect how much power is transferred to the target as heavier weights retain more velocity over distance. Lowering the limit for a certain propulsion method does not level the playing field in any way.

As long as the rules are abided by, why does it matter what he wants to do? Besides, without knowing the BB weight and distance it's impossible to actually know how much force will be transferred. Set an MED and a joule limit and stick with it!

 

[Sneakyduck]

Whilst extremely amusing reading the replies. Instead of salt why not pop down for a game. I think you might enjoy the survival horror, be aware it’s a kill house so only those with a strong constitution will survive. Siegeproject.com you’ll be made to feel most welcome. Including the  HPA crowd. ? All the best lads I’ve empires to build. 

 

[Cannonfodder]

why not pop down for a game.

Because not answering simple questions doesn't instill much confidence in how well the site is run

 

[Sneakyduck]

But I have you just don’t like the answer. 

 

[Tackle]

But I have you just don’t like the answer. 

Nope, all you've done is caress your ego with talk of empires etc. 

That's fine, you keep stroking yourself, it's likely this thread will be around for all to read & make up their own minds, long after your site has folded. 

Good luck empire builder?

 

[Sneakyduck]

You know if you just popped down for a game you might enjoy yourself. After all, all I’m doing is trying to entertain you.

 

[Cannonfodder]

all I’m doing is trying to entertain you.

Well your replies certainly are entertaining I'll give you that. They don't make me want to visit your site though

How does restricting one particular power source "level the playing field"?

 

[Amokura]

Wow, that's not good. I did a search on companies house and the only listing for Staffordshire militaria was that it was dissolved via compulsory strike off in 2016 and the address listed comes up on Google maps is a building which looks like it's been empty for a very long time, I'm guessing that was it. Either they're now registered under another name or up to some dodgy stuff.

As for their prices, see my last post in Mack's 

Incredible. ?

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[Sneakyduck]

Look I can’t force you to enjoy yourself, you obviously just want a moan. You’re all welcome anytime those are the rules of the site. You can vote with your feet that’s up to you. I wish you well but for me the matter is answered and closed. 

 

[Tackle]

Look I can’t force you to enjoy yourself, you obviously just want a moan. You’re all welcome anytime those are the rules of the site. You can vote with your feet that’s up to you. I wish you well but for me the matter is answered and closed. 

I'm not looking for a reason to moan, I'll be honest & say I have no interest in hpa, feels like a step backwards in airsoft when aeg's can easily achieve the required UK power levels & rate of fire commensurate with the real steel models they're copies of. 

BUT

This forum is well known for not only freedom of speech (within reason), at its core are a lot of members commited to keeping the game going, for decades in some cases.

it also pushes for a positive sensible stance to all aspects of Airsoft in all it's varieties, & keeping their availability to those who want to play. 

While that doesn't necessarily correlate with your weirdly biased stance on hpa, it kinda feels like giving hpa users a lower fps might actually encourage some to try to cheat the system, if for example, they're playing your site but they're playing shite, will they blame it on your lower power requirements, & then fiddle with their kit to match, or even scarily surpass those limits. 

Personally, if I found myself in your position & mindset, I'd be more inclined to exclude hpa entirely if I felt some couldn't be trusted to adhere to the rules. 

So while you may have felt this is a personal attack, it's more a criticism of the information provided & how it's provided, if that makes sense. 

 

[Sneakyduck]

On the 26th March we have our try out Tuesday where you bring along someone who’s interested in airsoft but have never took the plunge. I offer half price for both as I see it as a great way to get new blood into the sport. 

 

[Dan Robinson]

I find it bizarre that @Sneakyduck wants to build his empire by directly pissing off members of the forum by not answering a very basic question.

It's not particularly entertaining, and I certainly won't be going to the site as a result.

 

[Colin Allen]

I find it bizarre that @Sneakyduck wants to build his empire by directly pissing off members of the forum by not answering a very basic question.

It's not particularly entertaining, and I certainly won't be going to the site as a result.

I suspect that we are not his target market.  Having spent more time than I care to in Stoke, I hate to think who his target market are.

 

[Tackle]

I suspect that we are not his target market.  Having spent more time than I care to in Stoke, I hate to think who his target market are.

I've thankfully never had that pleasure, but if I do, I'll watch out for Sneakyduck, no doubt dressed up like a little napoleon, wandering around surveying his empire?