An interesting view of airsoft

[Callyourhits]

8 hours ago, Rogerborg said:

Oh, obligatory Spaced.  I imagine most paintball Walts have migrated to airsoft since then.

 

[Tommikka]

@Rogerborg

Cheers for be Spaced reference, you saved me from posting it myself (though you did do the short version, I could still post the full sequence!!!)

Also - nice to find another Lindybeige fan, also saved me from posting his recent ‘dressing up’ video

To answer the point on all paintballer Walt’s  moving to airsoft.... that’s true for many but not all of them

@KendoKhan

Where is the ‘TA medal’ reference, I missed that

Much of his video is really just complaining about the dickheads. It’s a common problem in all hobbies.

In Paintball about a decade ago there was a very small ‘milsim’ community.  These were people who played what I would call proper Milsim, not just in their dressing up or choice of gun but fully in their style of play and preferred games & rule sets.  Since then we have had the rise of MagFed paintball which has generated two sides of the MagFed community - one half who enjoy the limited capacity & more realistic look, the other who veer to MilSim

I like to play any type of paintball, with any type of gun (often using limitations such as MagFed, pump action, single and twin pistols in ‘normal’ games) and though I still haven’t played airsoft I’m perfectly happy running an airsoft or a paintball game.

The core of Paintball is the punter, who just as in Spaced is few blokes (and women) who are going for a day out shooting their mates.  In the UK they are more likely to go for paintball, even if that’s all they have heard of so far.

From what I have seen of airsoft it aligns with walk-on Paintball, and is more likely to be the regular local player with their own gear (or building up to their own gear)

Then there are the bigger games, both in airsoft and paintball - which can be either just size & organisation or my favourite which is scenario

MagFed / MilSim is there in paintball, but those who are very strict on verging to the more serious ‘reality’ have seemed to be suffering on numbers in the last year or so.  There may be strong local groups on some sites, but with a small community and internal politics airsoft provides the answer and has pulled a lot of paintballers - whether they leave paintball or do a bit of both

With regard to walts, I am a member of a certain Army based forum where everynow and then someone puts up some Walt hunting outrage, often getting it wrong (even falsely accusing a WW2 SAS original because they had the ‘wrong’ beret, badge and medal combination)

In general they don’t care about walting, they approve of “over exaggeration” particularly in a good cause such as to impress the ladies, feel

sorry for those with issues in the head, and condem those who do so for fraudulent purposes (which is illegal already)

Hopefully no one posts this video before I’ve finished typing, but this sums it up for me.

We are all just going out and playing a game:

 

[E21A]

Seems he’s just having a grumble about the milsim variety of dickhead (other varieties are available) which is fair enough. I’ve personally not come across many but when I do I usually have a little chuckle to myself or a few looks exchanged with players around me then carry on my day. 

 

[Rogerborg]

Where is the ‘TA medal’ reference, I missed that

https://youtu.be/cqhZCt5bgNU?t=1806

Although now that I look, he's pointing at what appears to be either a purple-green-purple ribbon which would be a 1918-1961 General Service Medal, or blue-green-blue which would be a Viscount Mint Cream biscuit wrapper.  So, joke's on him.

 

[Tommikka]

https://youtu.be/cqhZCt5bgNU?t=1806

Although now that I look, he's pointing at what appears to be either a purple-green-purple ribbon which would be a 1918-1961 General Service Medal, or blue-green-blue which would be a Viscount Mint Cream biscuit wrapper.  So, joke's on him.

Got you - I was looking for it in the original airsoft video

It’s a very Lindybeige jokey/flippant comment more directed at the ‘long service’ side rather than the TA when he was explaining precidence.  It could just as well have been a Regular LSGC - which is a “not getting caught” for years medal as opposed to actual good conduct (or the recent new Officers LSGC, whereas Good Conduct was always meant to be implied for officers)

 

[Druid799]

Hopefully no one posts this video before I’ve finished typing, but this sums it up for me.

We are all just going out and playing a game:

I know I’m an old fart but this just ain’t funny or satirical at all too me , it just comes across as a load of  pretentious bollox made by some floppy haired cockwomble doing media studies in ‘uni’ ?

takes all sorts .

 

[Tommikka]

I know I’m an old fart but this just ain’t funny or satirical at all too me , it just comes across as a load of  pretentious bollox made by some floppy haired cockwomble doing media studies in ‘uni’ ?

takes all sorts .

Old pretentious bollocks that preempted YouTube on previous sharing sites before most of the pretentious bollocks that has followed

 

[Druid799]

Old pretentious bollocks that preempted YouTube on previous sharing sites before most of the pretentious bollocks that has followed

Fair enuff it’s been around a fair old time then , but still a load of pretentious bollox to me , just hasn’t the subtle humour of a good satirical film . 

 

[jcheeseright]

I know I’m an old fart but this just ain’t funny or satirical at all too me , it just comes across as a load of  pretentious bollox made by some floppy haired cockwomble doing media studies in ‘uni’ ?

takes all sorts .

I don't think you 'got it' in that case, for me that video sums up the takes it too seriously Airsofter perfectly!  

 

[clumpyedge]

My personal opinion...

Guy(s) start playing airsoft while being in the army, enjoys it, starts playing milsim for something a bit extra, gets fucked off with people being arrogant and then compares the whole milsim scene to the ones hes come across that are being arrogant/twat-ish. This isn't a new argument, it happens every couple of months even on here.

Now the problem I have is that who is anyone else to say anything about someones else's interests or the way they want to dress or what they want to buy if its not affecting them in any way? on the other side of that if you are playing a milsim or even a skirmish and you don't like how someone is acting why is it affecting you so much? majority of the time the playing fields we all play are big enough for you to take yourself somewhere else and enjoy your day/weekend and not get het up over the Mr Motivator types that think they are the 100tth guy on the balcony.

Me - I've always had an interest in the military but life took me a different way and not having the mental/physical requirements to join up left me with a want to do something where my interest in guns and the military would also keep me social at the same time and not been put on some sort of watch list. I am the first to admit I'm a bit of a gear whore and I like my high end clothing/gear/guns but I've never had an issue with anyone that doesn't nor would I berate someone that doesn't have the same gear as me as I used to be in the same boat, I've been lucky enough to find myself in a job where I can afford the more expensive gear but does that make me better than anyone else -  certainly not.

I have over the years run into some of, in my opinion the most stuck up individuals I've ever met playing this game and to be honest at some points have made me want to hang up my gear and find something else (certain youtube sensations and also entitled little mummies boys seem to be the type that are typical with this type of behavior - I can say this from my experience of knowing said people and having had conversations/arguments with them) but as has been said before unfortunately you will find these types of people in any sport you do! Cycling for example - I have a friend at work who used to do road races, loved it! sold all his gear though because of the influx of people who would bash people for having lower end bikes or not wearing the right helmet or shoes etc.

I think the sooner people stop being bothered by what others are doing and just get on with their own shit the better, There are some fantastic people that play this sport and  I think the more effort that goes into bashing the bad just takes more and more away from the good that the majority bring.

 

[Subatomichades]

Although relatively new to Airsoft, i'm not new to a tactical environment.  From what I've seen you do get the guys who take it very seriously and invest 1000s on gear that,  only makes them "look cool" and does not increase their performance (it's about how you use the weapon not what weapon you use). The flip side to this is that they think because they've "paid to win" they're entitled to brief up other players on how to conduct business in a tactical manor and generally have an elitist view which in most situations i've found wrong.   

My opinion is that providing they're not offending anyone or affecting their game, let them crack on... you'll always have Walter Mitties, i just like listening to the "one time i passed my parachute course in vietnam whilst jumping with a 105mm" and having a giggle as i walk away

 

[Druid799]

I don't think you 'got it' in that case, for me that video sums up the takes it too seriously Airsofter perfectly!  

No I did get it , it’s just for me the maker just dragged the joke out waaay to long and and just went too deep in to it to still be funny .

it was the ‘all the gear no idea’ mob that really soured the immersive game wknds for me , as far as I’m concerned wear what you want , do what you want we’re all there to have some fun , just don’t try and enforce your ideas on other players , which seemes to happen all the time at milsim wknds , hence my dislike of them and the scenario of these types of games .  

 

[Rogerborg]

if its not affecting them in any way

Well, that's the crux of it, and we don't know what the OP video poster's experiences have been.

We've latched onto the Walt issue, but I'd focus on what the OP video describes in the first few minutes.  He's talking there about seeing more and more participants who are being increasingly and habitually aggressive in delivering unasked for and unwelcome face-to-face haranguing of other players' gear, their tactics, and their performance.

As an occasional occurrence, shouty geardos make for a fun anecdote.  If it became regular and typical, and inviting one to cheerfully stow it off just resulted in grief, or two more queuing up to say that my boots aren't laced regulation, I'd likely sack that hobby off sharpish too.

Aside, what my local site did when they ran a "milsim" series was to carefully categorise it as milsim-lite.  They encouraged, but didn't mandate mid caps.  They suggested ammo limits but didn't count every BB.  And most importantly, they ran the games as military vs non military (cartel in one series, Murcan civvie patriots in another) so that players could choose whether to camo up or not.  That was a great idea, and kept it fun for everyone.

 

[EDcase]

How is service 'insignificant'? Pray tell?

Fixed

 

[Druid799]

Nail and head Mr Borg !

 

[clumpyedge]

We've latched onto the Walt issue, but I'd focus on what the OP video describes in the first few minutes.  He's talking there about seeing more and more participants who are being increasingly and habitually aggressive in delivering unasked for and unwelcome face-to-face haranguing of other players' gear, their tactics, and their performance.

Again - and this is just from personal experience of having people do similar, if you don't like someones attitude or what they are spouting move on a get over it or if you are the type speak up and call them out on it, chances are they'll either back down or actually be quite embarrassed. I know that was the case when I got a load of shit off someone at copehill down one game, told him to remember its just a game and to chill the fuck out he went red and sulked off in a corner.

 

[Rogerborg]

if you don't like someones attitude or what they are spouting move on a get over it or if you are the type speak up and call them out on it, chances are they'll either back down or actually be quite embarrassed. I know that was the case when I got a load of shit off someone at copehill down one game, told him to remember its just a game and to chill the fuck out he went red and sulked off in a corner.

Oh, I fully agree, although I find laughter is the best response all round.  However, if one becomes two becomes whole squads becomes half your team, the joke might wear thin.  We don't know if OP's video is over-egging the pudding there.  It's easy to blow a couple of instances into a trend, especially if you're already jaded and looking for an excuse to quit, but it may actually be the case that milsims in Europe has changed materially for the Walt the worse since that channel started in 2007.

 

[Adolf Hamster]

Aside, what my local site did when they ran a "milsim" series was to carefully categorise it as milsim-lite.  They encouraged, but didn't mandate mid caps.  They suggested ammo limits but didn't count every BB.  And most importantly, they ran the games as military vs non military (cartel in one series, Murcan civvie patriots in another) so that players could choose whether to camo up or not.  That was a great idea, and kept it fun for everyone.

generally i'd consider mid caps are ok, it offsets the fact that airsoft guns don't have anywhere near the range/accuracy/travel time/barrier penetration properties of real bullets.

as for ammo limits, if the mag size is fixed then let folk carry what they want, if someone wants to lug around 20 magazines in a rucksack then let them, their penalty is having to carry the damn things.

 

[AshOnSnow]

Why does this thread keep bringing this scene to mind?

 

[Rogerborg]

generally i'd consider mid caps are ok, it offsets the fact that airsoft guns don't have anywhere near the range/accuracy/travel time/barrier penetration properties of real bullets.

Huh, I meant they encouraged mid-caps instead of high-caps.  Very lite on the lite.  The suggestion was 2 high-caps or (preferably) 6 mid-caps, totalling about 600 rounds for AEGs.  I guess if anyone wanted to carry 20 x 30 round real caps, that would have been fine too.