40 Mike Gas Shell - 150 BB's in 0.3sec

[Duff]

Yo @Duff. How much for the JG?

Text you mate.

 

[FreeFrag.UK]

I'd be curious to see a video of this used at 75ft - 100ft but as everyone has stated this doesn't belong in CQC. I don't see what purpose this device is intended for, other than to deliberately inflict injuries and pain.

It isn't exactly going to be offering any real suppression at outdoor sights as it's a one pump chump which is out done by any rifle in sustained fire, let alone an actual LMG/GPMG.

I wonder what discussion in the board room led to the development and creation of this product...

 

[Greg147]

I wonder what discussion in the board room led to the development and creation of this product...

From the interview the CEO of Airsoft Innovations did, I'd say it's the end of a long line of them trying to get something like their cyclone grenade into the underbarrel launchers. He said they'd done prototypes with cyclone grenades that actually launched with timers, but they were too dangerous when considering direct hits. I guess this is as close as they could get without launching the actual grenade. 

Doesn't quite have the same effect in my opinion. Personally I'd have ditched the idea, not necessarily because of any danger issues, but simply because at medium to long ranges it doesn't seem to achieve any more than a long burst from an AEG would. 

 

[Adolf Hamster]

I'd be curious to see a video of this used at 75ft - 100ft but as everyone has stated this doesn't belong in CQC. I don't see what purpose this device is intended for, other than to deliberately inflict injuries and pain.

It isn't exactly going to be offering any real suppression at outdoor sights as it's a one pump chump which is out done by any rifle in sustained fire, let alone an actual LMG/GPMG.

I wonder what discussion in the board room led to the development and creation of this product...

i suspect it's usage would be similar to current shells only at longer ranges: lob shotting a cloud of bb's into an area of effect that would be a rough equivalent of the "blast zone" of of a shell that exploded.

in that regard it's not really any different than using a standard shell, albeit this will be more effective at longer ranges thanks to the higher average bb velocity and lower spread.

 

[Rogerborg]

it's usage

Here's the way that Airsoft Innovations are choosing to market it: CQB. Close range.  Pain.  That's the usage that they have chosen to show and to promote.

 

[Adolf Hamster]

Here's the way that Airsoft Innovations are choosing to market it: CQB. Close range.  Pain.  That's the usage that they have chosen to show and to promote.

i'm not denying that's what they're portraying, just discussing how you would use it at longer ranges, which is the more appropriate use for something like this.

 

[Greg147]

Agreed, the marketing was terrible. Although apparently the only reason they did the advert in a CQB site was because filming it outside didn't show the 'potential' of the grenade. I'm guessing it's hard to film BBs showering over long range and still make it look impressive. So I can kind of see their logic there. Sort of. Doesn't excuse the glorifying pain thing though, and I'd be surprised if the product bounced back from this. Although...any news on how the US market is receiving it?

 

[Sacarathe]

When I used to play battlefield, 40mm at those ranges would either kill you or fail reach the range that the fuse activates. I don't see what real life weapon this is based on - from their advertising.

Shame they didn't market it for use at 20m+ - but also lucky since it gets banned before one goes off in a safe zone. Anyone notice in the some of the videos when people gassed them before loading?

 

[Rogerborg]

lucky since it gets banned before one goes off in a safe zone

I'm not giving him the traffic, but I'll note again that Novritsch decided to test one in a safe zone around folk not wearing eye-pro.  Now that I watch again (so that you don't have to), he closes the breech on the launcher while pointing it right at someone sitting about 2' away. ?

Yes, the problem is with him, but I would be getting a bit think-of-the-children if someone was even gassing and loading one of those things in a safe zone, let alone putting it into a launcher.

 

[padraigthesniper]

I think they should be allowed but restricted to outdoors and have a 25 metre engagement rule. Also if people are using them maliciously you could have a rule that at the start of the day anyone using them has to be shot a close range with one before they can use it. A little forced empathy might change their minds?

They would be good at range for suppression like when a team is rushing at the start of the game to get to the flag you could use one to slow them down if you spread it.

 

[Adolf Hamster]

I think they should be allowed but restricted to outdoors and have a 25 metre engagement rule. Also if people are using them maliciously you could have a rule that at the start of the day anyone using them has to be shot a close range with one before they can use it. A little forced empathy might change their minds?

They would be good at range for suppression like when a team is rushing at the start of the game to get to the flag you could use one to slow them down if you spread it.

i'd say outdoor usage, and as with all things ban people who are using them improperly (ie point blanking people), it's not as if it's hard to identify folk when they use them.

 

[TheFull9]

As I mentioned before, with an MED then absolutely crack on, we already let people use bolties with very high muzzle energy and trust them to stick to a minimum engagement and I'm all for more personal freedom where it's safe; you have to trust people.  Indoors?  Get fucked.

any news on how the US market is receiving it?

Definitely mixed, it's a rather different market over there, they're used to higher FPS limits etc.  Larger market, which means more room for childish idiots.  When I go to an average CQB skirmish here I see maybe 1-2 HPA gun/Dye loadouts running around trying to 'speedsoft' and actually give a fuck about winning or K/D, but frankly it just doesn't seem to have taken off here.

What I see from the states is a fair few disturbing attitudes.  Anyone see the old RIP kid video?  bbrrrrrrttt 'he burned my patch' absolute cunt bag child?  That video got a horrendously shocking amount of positive feedback, comments about how great it was etc.  I find that fact alone scary as hell.  I've got no crazy illusion that a majority of airsofters in the US are like that and I'm sure people who've played there will confirm that most are just average folks who play decently, however there's a definite cult around causing pain, huge overkill, being hyper competitive and douchey, fight videos etc etc.  All fits in.

 

[Skara]

Lmao.

Who's the idiot who came up with that?

I'm quite sure it'll get banned from a lot of countries because:

-150bbs in the face aren't pleasant 

-150bbs in the face at close range are less pleasant

-I already see all the speedsofters ditching their HPA rigs to buy a m32 and 18 grenades (someone has to do that only for scientific purposes)

I hope they never get imported here in Italy or I'd be happy to have a trip to the jail..

Oh, and another video to confirm that Novritsch is a retard.

 

[Lozart]

Well, it appears that A2 Supplies are going to stock them despite being banned by The Mall. Seems an odd move to me but there you go.

 

[Skara]

Partners in business doesn't mean they can't sell stuff that's not allowed at the field

 

[Rogerborg]

Best case is that they sell loads, then they all get returned within 14 days when folk find that they've been banned everywhere.

Not because I can't see how they could be used in a sensible way, but just because cads shouldn't prosper.  That marketing... ?

 

[Lozart]

Luke used to be their resident gun tech when they were based up near High Wycombe way. Not sure if he still is (don't think so at least). As a result they have fairly close ties to the Mall which is why they can be accessed through the Mall game zone etc. Beyond that they have no real links. The Mall is still run by Zed Adventures/Zed Events which is all Lee Fields baby (also coincidentally the man that runs Bawzprops making some very nice Judge Dredd cosplay stuff).

 

[EvilMonkee]

MED won't solve this either - airsofters are notoriously poor at judging what 5m is for a grenade kill let alone 20m.

Designed to appeal to people who want HPA but can't afford it.  

 

[FreeFrag.UK]

I've been having a bit of back and forth with a YouTuber regarding the 40 Mike and said YouTuber has also carried out an interview with the owner (Carlton Chong). During the

interview (I'm yet to listen to it yet so this is based off what the YouTuber has relayed) Carlton made the claim that they never envisioned the 40 Mike for CQC usage but they

maintain that it is "safe" for CQC usage. This would seem to contradict their actions where they are now advising that the 40 Mike only be deployed at a minimum of 10 meters.

The YouTuber also volunteered to be shot by a 40 Mike at approximately 10 meters claiming that that was the "close up shot" and he states that being hit by it "sucked" but

states that he has come back from "CQB way worse off". This for me missed the point massively. First of all 10 meters is the recommended MED which has now been released

by Airsoft Innovations, secondly the 40 Mike is being deployed on YouTube frequently below this recommended distance and finally 10 meters is hardly the range people are talking

about when it comes to the 40 Mike and CQC.

Another defence for the company and it's advertising/marketing fell to the fact that it is only a very small company and it is made up entirely of engineers. This combined with the

local weather when the marketing video was shot were cited as two of the main contributing factors for the video displaying it's usage in CQC.

There are more elements used to try and justify the way this has been marketed but I'd argue that a significant amount of the justification relies upon people looking for a reasons to

believe that it has been marketed this way in error. I'd suggest that (based off what has been relayed) the company is hoping for consumer gullibility. You can claim that the video is

a result of when the video what shot but when their static marketing from the website uses these statements:

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I feel as though these two highlighted statements say it all. The first one proclaims the severity of the hit and how many times you can strike the target in a single trigger pull. The

second statement is even more disgusting as it boasts about offering the "most joules per trigger pull" and how much energy is behind the impact which your target will suffer. Most

the community who are defending this item are focused entirely on the FPS because so many people fail to comprehend the difference between velocity and the actual force behind

the projectile.

Do I think that this could be a good product? Yes. I think that it has a place in outdoor engagements from 15 meters and beyond as an indirect fire weapon where it would probably perform

very well but as it stands we all know this item will get abused given the opportunity. I can't help but view this item as being incredibly irresponsible from the ground up.

The question is, will the company accept responsibility when this item does result in someone being injured? I doubt it. I have a feeling their response would be that of any other company

where they will absolve themselves by stating "we said that it isn't to be used below 10 meters".

 

[Duff]

We just need sites and their owners to be aware of this thing and have a ruling for it in gameplay. Either Yes, use it under set range, etc just like a DMR/sniper role or NO, fuck off with your silly toy we don't allow those.