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  1. Longshot

    UKARA Alternative

    ^ this goes to show what I often point out, most people (including airsofters and the police) have no idea about what the laws surrounding airsoft actually say. For the record Mike, you don't need a defence to own or buy a RIF if you're over 18, only to sell, manufacture or import them, so...
  2. Longshot

    UKARA Alternative

    I should note that I wasn't just copying what Ian said, he ninja'd me while I was typing. He probably also explained it better than me. Also, Devastator, I don't think Ian is suggesting we "squash the restrictions we have now," rather that 3 games in 2 months is not a real restriction, it's...
  3. Longshot

    British Airsoft Club?

    Sorry Ed, my response wasn't very clear. I just meant that if everyone who responded was definitely clear about what 'paying for your UKARA' meant, and the response was still that 30% said they had paid for theirs, that's a really sad state of affairs (and worse than I thought it was). It also...
  4. Longshot

    UKARA Alternative

    Right, I love a good argument (though I've genuinely been trying to put across my concerns and suggestions in this thread) but even I'm getting bored of the closed attitude now and am going to step away soon. Without trying to be personally insulting, fivezerothree I think you're a terrible...
  5. Longshot

    UKARA Alternative

    You see, I don't believe that is perfectly accurate at all. The term we use, 'defence,' is shorthand for 'defence against prosecution.' Since there is no law at all against buying a RIF if you're over 18 why would you need a defence against prosecution? You can't be prosecuted for doing...
  6. Longshot

    UKARA Alternative

    I'm a fan of 'beating around the bush' because I love the Socratic method. Then again, it works well with some people in some situations but not with others as sometimes we're so committed to what we think that we don't wish to be open to any perceived criticism, even when it's not criticism but...
  7. Longshot

    British Airsoft Club?

    ^ I think this is true, but it also depends on what you consider as 'paying for your UKARA membership.' The fact is that 0% of people actually pay to be on the UKARA database as UKARA don't charge for it, so what else are people paying for? Lots of people talk about their 'UKARA number,' but...
  8. Longshot

    UKARA Alternative

    Right, I think I've finally worked out what my problem with this is, so I'll ask about it because I'm off to bed soon: why are Luther looking to tell people who can and can't buy RIFs? I like the idea of Luther. I like the idea of having all players and their games registered and kept on a free...
  9. Longshot

    VCRA 2006 - No Mention of Airsofting

    I do see your point, but I think that, as you point out, trying to play lawyer with the police officer is going to have little to no effect if he thinks he's right to arrest you - I don't think pulling out a book with your handwritten record of when you've played this year will change much, and...
  10. Longshot

    UKARA Alternative

    Right, so you're saying that the UKARA policy that playing 3 games over more than 2 months is what everyone should have to do before being allowed to buy a RIF, AND that this is something everyone at Luther has seriously discussed and agreed upon. I get that now. That being the case here are...
  11. Longshot

    VCRA 2006 - No Mention of Airsofting

    Just to be clear, you (as a buyer) don't "need a defence," the person selling does; you need to be able to PROVIDE them with one. They're the one committing the crime, so they need the defence. UKARA is popular with retailers as it saves them doing the legwork of checking whether you are really...
  12. Longshot

    UKARA Alternative

    Are you purposely being obtuse? I'm asking why you're just taking the same 'recommendation' that UKARA made up for themselves and making it a necessity in what you're labelling a new and better scheme. Have you given any thought as to whether that is indeed the best policy?
  13. Longshot

    VCRA 2006 - No Mention of Airsofting

    No, for over 18s: - it is NOT illegal to own a RIF - it is NOT illegal to buy a RIF - it is NOT illegal to carry a RIF as long as you have a reasonable excuse (e.g. attending an airsoft event) - it IS illegal to sell, manufacture or import a RIF (though you can avail yourself of a defence...
  14. Longshot

    VCRA 2006 - No Mention of Airsofting

    You need to see here for the airsoft defence: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-violent-crime-reduction-act-2006-commencement-no-3-order-2007-firearms-measures
  15. Longshot

    UKARA Alternative

    That's because you're a nice, understanding person in real life and on the Internet, whereas I'm a nice, understanding person in real life and a dick on the Internet. :)
  16. Longshot

    UKARA Alternative

    Could you point out what I've got 'twisted?' UKARA came up with a requirement to join their database (3 games in over 2 months), which is not a legal requirement for anything, and your organisation is just copying the same game and timeframe limits.
  17. Longshot

    UKARA Alternative

    But Luther are looking to take that 'recommendation' and turn it into a necessity for their scheme. UKARA made it a necessity to join their database (though they seemed to ditch some of the other requirements they came up with for the Home Office) so I'm wondering why Luther are just taking on...
  18. Longshot

    UKARA Alternative

    ^ I only ask because my understanding is that there was a law made (VCRA 2006) that effectively made selling RIFs completely illegal. The air soft community, led by the retailers whose businesses were at stake, then argued that selling RIFs should have some form of defence against prosecution...
  19. Longshot

    UKARA Alternative

    Just to check, are you SURE that's the case?
  20. Longshot

    British Airsoft Club?

    That's the problem, I really don't think that the vast majority of people involved in airsoft do know the technicalities at all. After all, nobody 'MUST have UKARA registration' for anything. If anybody tells you that when you try to buy something from them then they're either misinformed about...
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