Don't be a knob :)

[proffrink]

Ew.

 

[K@rl]

Last post was a year and a half ago chaps.

Obviously Tasers are already carried by some officers - that attachment would require all officers to have guns anyway and has been proven to have far more than satisfactory consequences when we're talking about less lethal projectiles. The muzzle energy is, just as with many other 'rubber bullets' still high enough to kill (especially if it's hitting a teenager).

In addition, police 'shoot to stop' in these scenarios - a lot of the time that means killing someone. If they have a gun and are an immediate threat then risks like this (i.e. not shooting them) cannot afford to be taken. You will die if you point something that (they believe) looks like a gun at an armed police officer; there aren't two ways about it unfortunately.

Goin to hav to disagree. Fire arms officers are chosen because they don't want to shoot people. Anythin that allows them to increase the level of reaction before using lethal force is surely a good thing.

Take for example the poor commuter who was shot it London (I believe) on his was to work because he had a back pack.

Tazer carry a lot of risk. Anyone with a heart condition is dead, pacemaker dead, etc.

 

[K@rl]

If poeple want to discuss it, I'd rather they necroposted than started a new thread.

Also think that with events of the last few weeks this has renewed interest

 

[proffrink]

Goin to hav to disagree. Fire arms officers are chosen because they don't want to shoot people. Anythin that allows them to increase the level of reaction before using lethal force is surely a good thing.

Take for example the poor commuter who was shot it London (I believe) on his was to work because he had a back pack.

Tazer carry a lot of risk. Anyone with a heart condition is dead, pacemaker dead, etc.

So what's your point here? That they don't shoot unless that have to? Absolutely correct - no human in their right mind wants to kill in cold blood. Will they shoot you if you point something that they believe is a loaded gun at them? Absolutely - to not do so puts them and others around them at the highest possible risk. It is their job to keep the peace, and if they believe something to threaten that peace then they have to make a proportionate response (ranging all the way from a slightly stern talking-to up to taking someone's life). In the case of a deadly weapon in public, negotiation is rarely an afforded luxury (and in the case of a barrel pointed at an officer absolutely isn't one). And this is why it's really stupid to carry an RIF about, because the police will rarely take a chance on the fact that you're just carrying a toy gun in fear of the consequence if it turns out to be a real one.

Who's this poor commuter - do you mean De Menezes? This kind of seems like the wrong example for a parallel argument - the police shot him because they suspected him of being a bomber. Utilising any less-lethal weapon was not an option because - in their minds - this man was going to blow up a station and kill tens of people. Lethal force is exactly what they thought was applicable at the time and couldn't leave anything to chance. I'm obviously not endorsing that, but you must realise that there is still nothing more effective at stopping someone than a gun right now and that Glock attachment you posted is no exception to the rule that no less-lethal is currently 100% effective.

Tazers do carry a lot of risk, but again, what's your point? I'd far rather be Tazered than shot by a high-energy steel baton round at close range. Even if this was safer than Tazer (but less effective), then how on Earth would the officer identify whether the suspect has a pacemaker or heart condition?

Also think that with events of the last few weeks this has renewed interest

The issue I take with necroposting isn't that it's not convenient but that - by and large - nothing further is actually contributed to the discussion when it's bumped. Just in this thread, the comment was 'worth another look'. That basically gives anyone carte blanche to dig up an old and read thread because they think it looks cool. It just so happens you posted actual content, but in this case we've already derailed the original subject by talking about less-lethal weapons.

I see it as easier to just disallow necroposting because it tends to cause more frustration than good on most forums and would argue if someone wants to reference an old thread then do just that, by linking back to a new thread. Absolutely not my decision to make of course, but opinions are like ar*eholes and I know I'm not completely alone in thinking necro-ing is a bit taboo even at the best of times.

 

[K@rl]

It's too late for a full I depth discussion however I , like u , am intitled to my own opinion. It is quite clear for the tone of your message that what u wish to do is impose ur view onto other apose to have a logical debate. If u disagree say so then f@ck off. And leave anyone else who wishes to discuss it in a mature fashion to continue.

If u have a problem with necro posts then u only exacerbate the situation further posting on that thread therefore showing that actually u are in favour of it.

Am sure you will find unwitty and possibly condescending way of further adding strength to you view but don't bother, if ur aim is to derail every thread or post U don't agree with then u must live a very sad and lonely life.

 

[proffrink]

I'm not sure what to say to that, but I assure you it's not meant to be any of those things.

Trying to read tone over the internet through written-word is nigh-on impossible though - that's a lesson that took me about 10 years to learn.

No hard feelings man.

 

[K@rl]

Lol. Knew that would get u. Night ?

Obviously no hard feelings. Difficult to take offence in life after have fought too meny people ( boxing ) then had a hug at the end and usually drinks aswell.

It's a weird world.

 

[proffrink]

Right.

 

[K@rl]

Right.

As my wife would say;

Let's just agree ur wrong and forget about it

 

[Rock-climby-Dave]

I've said go ahead on the necro here as it's a sensible enough topic, closely related enough to the original content.

I originally visited these forums instead of others as I like the way we allow a natural and progressing discussion, rather than over-moderating a topic and killing conversation in mid-flow.

I don't think Proffrink is wrong, per say. I would say that he is trying not to get drawn into an irrelevant (and mostly useless) argument online unrelated entirely to the original topic at hand.

K@rl, your apparent need to get the last word in here is getting you close to warning points for, frankly, being a bit of a knob. But that's just my reading of the tone - as Proffink said it's not easy to read tone in written word. I always find smileys useful if you're being sarcastic or not entirely serious.

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Back on topic please.

 

[ALee91]

To bring it back on topic... Someone didn't read this thread:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/moment-armed-police-arrest-red-6788212

Bucky Barnes (Winter Soldier) was out and about earlier this month with his shotgun in Canray Wharf.

 

[K@rl]

What an idiot.

Walking in London with a rif and a mask on. What did he expect.

Any idea y he was doin it? (Going to a

Party)

Also where does the suit case fit into it?

 

[ALee91]

What an idiot.

Walking in London with a rif and a mask on. What did he expect.

Any idea y he was doin it? (Going to a

Party)

Also where does the suit case fit into it?

Think it was around the time a comic con convention was on, Cosplayers normally have a suitcase to keep normally clothing and a second outfit in especially if they are there for the whole weekend.

He was likely on his way to the excel centre and everyone would think he was cool roaming the streets dressed up in a black uniform swinging a shotgun around.

 

[albawarrior]

So they thought terrorists have bionic arms.......... idiot for having a gun out if that truly was the case, But media always lie to get a better story. The gun may have been in the suitcase and someone seen it when he opened it etc....