Upgrade my M4 or buy new?

[Reece_Spurs]

Which coke site are you at then?

Edmonton mate, north london

Scrap the other one then and just build from scratch. Buy a receiver and just start there. If your technically minded an aeg is a piece of p*ss. V2 gearboxes can be a tosser to put back together though.

Thats the thing, I'd rather learn more on my current m4, than start from scratch with little knowledge, even if it means just stripping my gun down to the bare bones and trying to reassemble it, part of my interview 5 years ago actually was something similar, taking apart a pretty complex butterfly valve with a very crappy diagram, then putting it back together Just watched a video actually of a guy stripping a v2 gearbox, looks fiddly, lots of little bits and springs but nothing too daunting. Think i'm overthinking this a bit?!

 

[Esoterick]

TM recoil is nice but your looking at £500 add on a £100 for the spectre (if you can get hold of one).

Depends on the gun really, the AKs and M4s are cheaper than their H&K and FN ranges:

http://www.fire-support.co.uk/product/marui-recoil-m4a1-socom-airsoft-gun-ebb-aeg

Reece I'd say that it all depends on whether you want a gun that you will basically gut and put your own parts in or one you will leave alone, or maybe upgrade parts that actually make a difference.

One option would be buy a new gun and use it as is then strip the old one and have a play around with the internals without having to worry about missing a game due to a broken gun

 

[Reece_Spurs]

Depends on the gun really, the AKs and M4s are cheaper than their H&K and FN ranges:

http://www.fire-support.co.uk/product/marui-recoil-m4a1-socom-airsoft-gun-ebb-aeg

Reece I'd say that it all depends on whether you want a gun that you will basically gut and put your own parts in or one you will leave alone, or maybe upgrade parts that actually make a difference.

One option would be buy a new gun and use it as is then strip the old one and have a play around with the internals without having to worry about missing a game due to a broken gun

This is more or less exactly what I want to do, my origional question was "Is my m4 worth upgrading internally" SittingDuck basically put that as a no, so a new gun it is (Its a very sad situation to HAVE to buy another gun i know ) But I also did needed the info from Trigger and others about how to upgrade internal parts and good parts to buy, as I will now use my m4 as a guinea pig to learn much more about the internals of AEGs, so alot has been learned!

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

Depends on the gun really, the AKs and M4s are cheaper than their H&K and FN ranges:

True but if you buy one then I reckon you will probably end up looking at the HK's and Scars and wish you had spent a bit more. Did you really consider them when you bought your recce?

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

This is more or less exactly what I want to do, my origional question was "Is my m4 worth upgrading internally" SittingDuck basically put that as a no, so a new gun it is (Its a very sad situation to HAVE to buy another gun i know ) But I also did needed the info from Trigger and others about how to upgrade internal parts and good parts to buy, as I will now use my m4 as a guinea pig to learn much more about the internals of AEGs, so alot has been learned!

Buy a G&G, best of both worlds you get a new gun and experience on fixing and upgrading everytime it breaks. ☺

 

[Sitting Duck]

Gun should have a cheap metal gearbox, some dragon's have plastic or metal boxes

But it is a very basic box the gen 1's

These gen 1 SRC's are way behind ICS n G&G's in the £150 range of guns.

It isn't that dire, use it, maybe a service but really don't go nuts on it is all I'm saying

Step up to the next level or two

Either a good new G&G or Krytac M4

 

[Reece_Spurs]

Just realised my biggest problem, no UKARA.. Considering both my current guns are now RIF's due to paint and part changes, I actually forgot I can't even buy them without the ukara license. Ffs.

Guns going to go on hold for the meantime, not buying a 2 tone again, no way, whats the closest skirmish sight to north london? Does wolf armouries have a site nearby? Gonna get that ukara then buy a gun!

 

[Esoterick]

True but if you buy one then I reckon you will probably end up looking at the HK's and Scars and wish you had spent a bit more.

Did you really consider them when you bought your recce?

I was looking at the M4s for my second recoil shock until I saw how the Recce rifle looks with some nice rail covers and optics on it(it looks awful stock IMO)

Personally I don't like the HK417 they have released as it looks better shorter, I already have a HK416 and I don't like the look of the SCARs as much as I used to. Just a shame you can't get the 416 with trades anymore as blank receivers look a bit generic to me.

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

I was looking at the M4s for my second recoil shock until I saw how the Recce rifle looks with some nice rail covers and optics on it(it looks awful stock IMO)

Personally I don't like the HK417 they have released as it looks better shorter, I already have a HK416 and I don't like the look of the SCARs as much as I used to. Just a shame you can't get the 416 with trades anymore as blank receivers look a bit generic to me.

Theres a few companies that will etch them in but its not cheap. I like the Scar h in black but not a big fan of the tan ones.

 

[Esoterick]

Theres a few companies that will etch them in but its not cheap. I like the Scar h in black but not a big fan of the tan ones.

Tan guns just make me think of Caramac lol. The Scar H does look beastly but then you have to go down the route of buying new mags and pouches.

 

[Sitting Duck]

Not fair coz of your m14

Cyma's make good M14's too but the hop often breaks and you can't just get it replaced as easy as AK G36 or M4

CYMA AK

JG G36

G&G M4

this 3 produce very good excellent value for money guns in their specialist field

You buy any non run of the mill gun ballpups for example, F2000, plus some others with bespoke box or hop and it is a gamble and limited places to source replacement bits for it

Yes it is nice to have a gun a bit different from the heard

But comes with some risks, some are a bit more riskier than others

Always look into getting it repaired before you actually buy it. Like a car - jap cars or really cheap cars sound lovely until you get the parts for them.

Honda's bikes n cars are never really cheap to maintain compared to other makes

Your M14 is a similar example perhaps

 

[Reece_Spurs]

Not fair coz of your m14

Cyma's make good M14's too but the hop often breaks and you can't just get it replaced as easy as AK G36 or M4

CYMA AK

JG G36

G&G M4

this 3 produce very good excellent value for money guns in their specialist field

You buy any non run of the mill gun ballpups for example, F2000, plus some others with bespoke box or hop and it is a gamble and limited places to source replacement bits for it

Yes it is nice to have a gun a bit different from the heard

But comes with some risks, some are a bit more riskier than others

Always look into getting it repaired before you actually buy it. Like a car - jap cars or really cheap cars sound lovely until you get the parts for them.

Honda's bikes n cars are never really cheap to maintain compared to other makes

Your M14 is a similar example perhaps

Thanks for the advice mate, again, this site has been like a bible to me for learning

But surely a brand new gun should come like this? Surely they test fire it before sending? If this had happened even 6 months after heavy use i'd kinda get it, but not straight from the box?

 

[Sitting Duck]

Cyma m14' can suffer a crap hop and often need to get returned. They had them on silly offer at gunfire and was tempted to get one for a mofo dmr.

But reading up a bit I thought nah

I will stick most of my boring run of the mill stuff and cheap to maintain when I break em

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

Tan guns just make me think of Caramac lol. The Scar H does look beastly but then you have to go down the route of buying new mags and pouches.

But its worth it. I have no problem with difficult to deal with guns I bought a Sig and thats a pain in the arse. Tempted to sell it but know I will miss it if I do.

 

[Sacarathe]

Theres a few companies that will etch them in but its not cheap. I like the Scar h in black but not a big fan of the tan ones.

Indeed, they might be real steel colours, but is it necessary to have so many shades.

 

[sp00n]

£400 is a lot of money, and can buy you alot of gun .... for instance (in the HPA world)

for £430 you could get a tippmann m4 HPA setup (beesting airsoft)

for £405 you could get a polarstar Jack kit to put into the SRC (its its compatable)

my honest advise

go with a G&G Combat Machine with battery etc, put the rest of your £££ aside for now and see where airsoft takes you.

myself i have just put the above polarstar jack setup into my 3 year old G&G CM16 B)

*disclaimer - i am bias towards HPA setups*

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

Or if you really want to have an airtank on your back you could just take up diving or become a fireman.

*disclaimer-I am not a fan of Scuba Steve ?

 

[Sitting Duck]

OK - you have a few options to consider.......

G&G M4,

30th GC16 metal is a favorite and Airsoftworld 2-tone is nice snakeskin

New range of G&G M4's look nice bot & srl's come with mosfet's

cheaper Raider from Zero One two toned for free

or wait and get skirmishing - see M25 airsoft thread or check new players section - where to play, google London airsoft etc....

get ya ukara and buy a RIF M4

Once you got a better budget - actually a good budget M4....

Then you can look at messing with your SRC for a little tweaking - seals/AoE/shimming/ - nothing expensive

(actually if/when you service ya SRC gimme a shout as I highly recomend dump the crap sector gear with its thin teeth)

if things don't go according to plan - and it probably won't go completely perfectly on your first box - no biggy

try n try again to learn on it. - failing that if it goes mega tits up either new box or sell as spares in bits on fleabay/facebook etc....

but the experience you gain on that will greatly help when you work on your G&G IF or RIF

you will really appreciate what a decent gun/box that is compared to the jbbg gun and things will go a lot more smoother

if you ever get an AK or G36 - yup still common perhaps but you will find the V3 gearbox's a bit easier to work on and test

with their seperate motor frame/cage etc....

That SRC isn't complete $hit - still miles better than a B500a1 - and SRC M4 will do anybody proud to start off with

just there are some slightly better makes/models out there - but still not a complete foolish or unwise choice

just with its 6mm bearings/bushings, the trigger stop post broke in one of mine (happens to a couple of different makes of gun btw)

it is worth servicing - just I wouldn't go too nuts with high speed gears/motor etc....

the 2 -part hop can be removed and receiver dremmel'd a bit to take a modern 1 piece hop - but like I said why bother going too mad

get shooting - get ukara - and make the next step or 2 steps up, play with src and learn a few things

trust me if you get into it and learn from a few failures - you can start to make & improve your middle range gun

(that to me is the fun/stress but great feeling when now n then you do make a gun better rather than worse)

Well that is just my take on this - maybe one day I might go up to top level stuff

but happy as a pig in $hit messing with cheapo stuff whilst I'm very much still learning along the way

 

[Reece_Spurs]

OK - you have a few options to consider.......

G&G M4,

30th GC16 metal is a favorite and Airsoftworld 2-tone is nice snakeskin

New range of G&G M4's look nice bot & srl's come with mosfet's

cheaper Raider from Zero One two toned for free

or wait and get skirmishing - see M25 airsoft thread or check new players section - where to play, google London airsoft etc....

get ya ukara and buy a RIF M4

Once you got a better budget - actually a good budget M4....

Then you can look at messing with your SRC for a little tweaking - seals/AoE/shimming/ - nothing expensive

(actually if/when you service ya SRC gimme a shout as I highly recomend dump the crap sector gear with its thin teeth)

if things don't go according to plan - and it probably won't go completely perfectly on your first box - no biggy

try n try again to learn on it. - failing that if it goes mega tits up either new box or sell as spares in bits on fleabay/facebook etc....

but the experience you gain on that will greatly help when you work on your G&G IF or RIF

you will really appreciate what a decent gun/box that is compared to the jbbg gun and things will go a lot more smoother

if you ever get an AK or G36 - yup still common perhaps but you will find the V3 gearbox's a bit easier to work on and test

with their seperate motor frame/cage etc....

That SRC isn't complete $hit - still miles better than a B500a1 - and SRC M4 will do anybody proud to start off with

just there are some slightly better makes/models out there - but still not a complete foolish or unwise choice

just with its 6mm bearings/bushings, the trigger stop post broke in one of mine (happens to a couple of different makes of gun btw)

it is worth servicing - just I wouldn't go too nuts with high speed gears/motor etc....

the 2 -part hop can be removed and receiver dremmel'd a bit to take a modern 1 piece hop - but like I said why bother going too mad

get shooting - get ukara - and make the next step or 2 steps up, play with src and learn a few things

trust me if you get into it and learn from a few failures - you can start to make & improve your middle range gun

(that to me is the fun/stress but great feeling when now n then you do make a gun better rather than worse)

Well that is just my take on this - maybe one day I might go up to top level stuff

but happy as a pig in $hit messing with cheapo stuff whilst I'm very much still learning along the way

Cheers for all the advice mate, and you others that have helped loads, will defintely get to some games asap, not just to get ukara, but to just go and have some fun Been to plenty of paintball games, and love it, bit different, but its essentially the same, big difference is, owning a high end paintball gun isn't nearly as cool as the RIF's out there

Do you have any suggestions on higher priced guns? That G&G looks pretty good, but doesnt seem to have a MOSFET and ideally i'd like lipos on my next buy.

Going to have a look at those Krytec and tippmans.

 

[Reece_Spurs]

Currently liking these 2 alot

http://www.airsoftworld.net/magpul-m4-masada-acr-tactical-airsoft-rifle-dark-earth.html

That one, because I've read good things about this gun, and by the look of the pictures, I could even get it without ukara as the 2 tones parts look changeable.

And this

http://www.airsoftworld.net/bolt-b4-lrp-airsoft-rifle.html

Seems to have a very good write up, and I've seen a video of these bolt EBB rifles and they look awesome! On top of all that, they take lipos which is a massive incentive..