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The Healthy Airsofters Thread

@Rogerborg I've felt absolutely amazing on a low carb diet. I've tried full on Keto, sub 20g and it's super hard, but the sweet spot for me is low carb, around 50g a day.  My 25 year battle with irritable bowl pretty much gone and my energy and concentration greatly improved.  Not for everyone of course.  

 
Carbs are a ‘long life’ energy source, when compared to sugars etc and as such you should eat these well before sustained periods of exercise, like the day before.

But you are right @Rogerborg if you are looking to lose weight keep the carb intake very low.

If you have a (low) metabolism that allows you to function properly with a lower carb requirement then so be it, however if you have a high metabolism you will need more carbs in order to maintain a set weight/fitness level/functionality.

In particular your diet isn’t lacking in much, you shouldn’t completely rule out red meat as it is an exceptional source of B12, this is hard to get from any other food source without eating tons of it.

As before, a broad varied diet of unprocessed raw ingredients is key.

Potatoes are highly nutritious gram for gram. So a great carb.

 
Dave, 

I'm a big fan of yours on the MWS thread but Rogerborg knows what he's talking about.  There's NO requirement to consume carbs EVER.  Plenty of resources for you to check out: from an athletic point of view, start with the 2015 FASTER (Fat Adapted Substrate use in Trained Elite Runners) Study by Phinney & Volek; for purely dietary info, look up Dr Paul Saladino or Dr Shawn Baker (not that I'm personally a proponent of the carnivore diet) or just read about Vilhjalmur Stefansson who got stuck with the Innuit in the 1920s.  Keto does work & plenty of people do it for years with no ill effects.  Not my thing but it shows carbs are not essential.

Calories in calories out also doesn't work, sorry, at least not in any meaningful way.  If you asked a financial advisor how to get rich & he told you to earn more money than you spent, you wouldn't be impressed.  A calorie is merely the measurement of energy required to heat 1 gram of water by 1 degree celsius & has nothing to do with how food is converted to energy in the human digestive system.  If you consume 1000 calories as lemonade, for example, that's all going straight into your bloodstream.  If you could even manage to eat 1000 calories of steak, at least a quarter of that energy is used just to fuel the digestive process itself, so you can only use the 750 calories left.  Plus everybody's digestive tract has a different amount & composition of gut bacteria to everybody else so 2 people eating the same food, day in day out, will not get the same results.  Even if you did decide to restrict calories, sure, your body would burn body fat initially & you'd lose some weight.  But eventually your body would decide the low-calorie environment was not a temporary situation & would cling on to your remaining fat reserves for dear life, literally.  Your body just down regulates its immune & reproductive systems & makes you want to exercise less while the number on the scale doesn't change.

Potatoes are fine, but they're not as nutritious as animal food sources.  Bread is NOT great & giving up wheat would benefit pretty much everybody.  I don't recommend brown rice as its high in phytic acid & even arsenic, but white is ok in moderation.

PopRocket123,

We all need to eat more in line with how homo sapiens have been eating for the majority of our 300,000 years.  Eat healthy animal sources of fat & protein year round, fruit & veg when (& ONLY WHEN) they are in season if you want.  Fruit is sweet because the tree wants us to consume it & spread its seeds, but it will make you fat (actually a desirable trait as a hunter-gatherer facing a long cold winter).  As for vegetables, only 4% of all the known plants in the world are edible & ALL are toxic to some degree.  When people bang on about kale or broccoli being high in antioxidants, what they really mean is the veg is mildly toxic which causes our bodies to produce more antioxidants in case we decide to eat any more of it in the future.  I see you've had a kid recently, bet you couldn't get anything green down them when they were young.  That's our natural instinct to stop us poisoning ourselves out of existence!  

If your goal is to lose weight, then you need to focus on NUTRITION, not calories.  Eat when you are hungry - DO NOT wait for a random number of hours!  Hit your protein / vitamin / mineral targets early in the day & you'll not want to eat as much later.  Ever had a 2,500 kcal McD's for lunch & been starving at dinner?  Because your body didn't get much nutrition out of it & is forcing you to try again.  Weight gain / loss is about hormones, not calories, and insulin is the king of those hormones.  Eating low carb means you will not produce insulin, meaning energy cannot be absorbed by your fat cells.  Protein goes where it is needed, fat just floats around the bloodstream til we use it, and our fat reserves can make up any energy deficit which we actually breath out.  In fact, just working on your breathing technique can help you lose weight, I promise!

PS the DASH diet is a piece of shite.  Rant over!

 
Carbs are a ‘long life’ energy source, when compared to sugars etc


Er, sugars are carbohydrates.  If we're talking complex carbs, why load your bloodstream with sugars before you have to?  There does seem to be a fair case building that insulin resistance is the slippery slope to a whole raft of common Western health woes.

however if you have a high metabolism you will need more carbs in order to maintain a set weight/fitness level/functionality.


I'd suggest that you can tolerate more carbs, if you're burning them off.  The Tsimane people are the prime example of that, doing very well on a high-fibre, complex-carb diet, but a key factor is that they're constantly active so will be using the simple sugars as fast as they're being broken down.

As above, when I'm doing a day airsofting (thread relevance) I do have some carbs at breakfast, although I can also get by perfectly fine without them on my disgustang excess body fat and plenty of water.  Day-to-day, I'm sitting at a keyboard, with periods of cycling.  Blood sugars begone, I'll have no truck with thee.

I guess anyone lucky enough to have next to no body fat does need to carb load before exertion, but how many AFUKers does that describe?

In particular your diet isn’t lacking in much, you shouldn’t completely rule out red meat as it is an exceptional source of B12


Airsoft day is also bacon day.  It's got electrolytes, right? ;)  

Potatoes are highly nutritious gram for gram. So a great carb.


That's the Big Spud lobby talking. :P

Rogerborg knows what he's talking about


He really doesn't, he's not looked into this all that much, and it's hard to tell the science from the propaganda or woo.  I mean, pretty much anyone can set themselves up as a nutritionist and make sweeping statements without either evidence or consequence.

I guess the key thing is that if you're fat or lethargic, then whatever you're eating or doing needs to change.  You won't know until you try.

I tried some tortilla chips tonight, as an experiment, and now I feel bloated and bleurgh.  Untry, untry.

 
@Ricky Sin whoa there where the f*** did you come from ?

“Even if you did decide to restrict calories, sure, your body would burn body fat initially & you'd lose some weight.  But eventually your body would decide the low-calorie environment was not a temporary situation & would cling on to your remaining fat reserves for dear life, literally.  Your body just down regulates its immune & reproductive systems & makes you want to exercise less while the number on the scale doesn't change.”

Thats what I said/meant;

“Also when you eat dramatically less your body changes the way it works, going toward more of a survival mode, so yes you will initially lose a lot of weight but that is only through the shock of it.”

Yes complex carbs have been present in our diet since the dawn of time, a lot of our intake would have been scavenging beans, pulses and nuts.

It goes perfectly in line with your 2500k MacD example, it’s all processed crap, made from nutritionally non existent goods, people would call it a carby meal and they would be right, but they are crap carbs.

Carbs are almost like a small re supply crates, but most are full of all the gear you didn’t need.

The right carbs will keep you going for longer as they take more time to be processed (unpacked) and turned into glucose, nutrients extracted.

Sugars are straight in hits that will load your bloodstream and fall away again just as fast, leaving you hungry again.

I wasn’t saying to carb load, but if you have a physical long day ahead then having a balanced meal with carbs the night before will stand you in good stead for the following day.

Going back to our 300,000 year old selves I’m sure our day would have gone something like;

Get up go hunting / gathering.

Snack on small things found along the way throughout the day.

(nuts, insects, fruit, fish?)

Back in the afternoon/evening with the clan have a meal together based on the days collection.

(meat, beans, pulses, etc) 

People always feel better on little and often especially when exercising, on low carbs.

As these sit with us and take time to process which ultimately means our body is doing another task internally alongside whatever we may be trying to achieve (airsoft objective)

“I guess the key thing is that if you're fat or lethargic, then whatever you're eating or doing needs to change.  You won't know until you try.”
 

Exactly that, you need to listen to your body.

 
I've learned a few new terms/words reading this thread, interesting stuff that I wouldn't have stumbled across otherwise perhaps.

Anyhow...

Six or so years ago I trained martial arts a minimum of 45mins a day at home in the week, 3 or 4 hours on a Saturday, plus two 2 1/2 hour mid-week  classes, and the odd full day class at the weekend.  I ate what the fuck I liked.   I am not one for tinned food or sweets, but I did often make myself game pies in a large loaf tin and eat the lot at a sitting, with chips.  I was just over 10 stone for years (5'11"). 

My teacher remarked that it was obvious who trained hard at home by what they ate when we all went out for a Chinese.  The wiry lads who had a lot of strength ate huge amounts, including noodles/dumplings etc, the flabbier fellows usually ate a fair bit less.  

One diet/routine is not for everyone.   For one thing, passed a certain age, diet alone will not keep that Dad gut away.  For the time pressed, diet may have to lead where there is no time for exercise.

Wish I was that fit still, partly as I enjoyed eating entire multipacks of crisps at a time and not getting fat.  Hardly scientific I know, but observations nonetheless.  

Edit: Grammar 

 
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Had a bit of a relapse last couple of days. I've eaten like crap and haven't gotten out enough, haven't drunk enough water and had about 6 hours sleep in the last two days. Needless to say it's taken a physical and mental toll which can end up becoming a cycle as I end up beating myself up over it. I'll try to do better tomorrow. 

 
Its all about small improvements that are permanent. Doesn't matter if you run 15 miles one day and eat steak and veg if you normally overeat and dont exercise. Doing a light work out everyday and not eating excess sugar and processed food will have more of a impact than once a week doing some insane workout. Small changes every week that stick and slowly it will cascade into big ones. I put on bare weight over the lockdown making small changes to go back to having a thigh gap I miss it these thick thighs are no fun when your a man im not cardi b... lol Being able to run and gun at airsoft is a good enough excuse to stay in shape.

 
For one thing, passed a certain age, diet alone will not keep that Dad gut away.


That was about 21 for me, sadly.  The struggle has been real since then, I sorted myself out in my 30s with restricted hours eating, lots of cycling, and some weights, but then I made the mistake of buying a motorised bicycle, and, oops, that was that.

But as God is my witness, I will see my toes again.

Its all about small improvements that are permanent. Doesn't matter if you run 15 miles one day and eat steak and veg if you normally overeat and dont exercise. Doing a light work out everyday and not eating excess sugar and processed food will have more of a impact than once a week doing some insane workout.


Absolutely, which is why it's so important to find a diet that you can stick to.  I'm amazed how easy it's been to drop the bad carbs, after the first week.  Hunger pangs and cravings have plummeted and restricted hours eating is a doddle.

There's some evidence that just 3 x 10 minutes of interval sprints a week can have most of the health benefits of regular daily exercise, although that's not for me, I prefer moderate daily cycling. I would highlight the benefits of an indoor option like an exercise bike so that you don't have an excuse to skip it in bad weather.

 
I've learned a few new terms/words reading this thread, interesting stuff that I wouldn't have stumbled across otherwise perhaps.

Anyhow...

Six or so years ago I trained martial arts a minimum of 45mins a day at home in the week, 3 or 4 hours on a Saturday, plus two 2 1/2 hour mid-week  classes, and the odd full day class at the weekend.  I ate what the fuck I liked.   I am not one for tinned food or sweets, but I did often make myself game pies in a large loaf tin and eat the lot at a sitting, with chips.  I was just over 10 stone for years (5'11"). 

My teacher remarked that it was obvious who trained hard at home by what they ate when we all went out for a Chinese.  The wiry lads who had a lot of strength ate huge amounts, including noodles/dumplings etc, the flabbier fellows usually ate a fair bit less.  

One diet/routine is not for everyone.   For one thing, passed a certain age, diet alone will not keep that Dad gut away.  For the time pressed, diet may have to lead where there is no time for exercise.

Wish I was that fit still, partly as I enjoyed eating entire multipacks of crisps at a time and not getting fat.  Hardly scientific I know, but observations nonetheless.  

Edit: Grammar 


Yep, I used to do a LOT of mountain biking (back in the good old days of tiny frames and long, whippy seat pins) then I got a job commissioning away from home a lot and eating in hotels. Put on a LOT of weight.

Few years back I got sick of my face wobbling when I walked so I lost 4.5 stone (portion control and calorie counting, no exclusions). Then my Mum died and I fell right off the wagon. Then smashed it into firewood and burned it. Put on anxiety meds that have a reputation for hindering weight control, then Dad developed Alzheimer's so 3 stone back on now and starting back down the road of eating better.

So far I've knocked most of the snacking on the head and a couple of pounds have shifted. Exercise is a bit limited because all those years of mountain bikes with clipless pedals with bugger all float have knackered my knees and decades of being sat at a desk or in a car have screwed my back (software engineer then sales). Still, I managed it before so I'll do it again.

Weight loss is as much about mindset as it is about what you eat!

 
Yep, I used to do a LOT of mountain biking (back in the good old days of tiny frames and long, whippy seat pins) then I got a job commissioning away from home a lot and eating in hotels. Put on a LOT of weight.

Few years back I got sick of my face wobbling when I walked so I lost 4.5 stone (portion control and calorie counting, no exclusions). Then my Mum died and I fell right off the wagon. Then smashed it into firewood and burned it. Put on anxiety meds that have a reputation for hindering weight control, then Dad developed Alzheimer's so 3 stone back on now and starting back down the road of eating better.

So far I've knocked most of the snacking on the head and a couple of pounds have shifted. Exercise is a bit limited because all those years of mountain bikes with clipless pedals with bugger all float have knackered my knees and decades of being sat at a desk or in a car have screwed my back (software engineer then sales). Still, I managed it before so I'll do it again.

Weight loss is as much about mindset as it is about what you eat!
It can't be overstated how the state of your mental health directly affects your physical health. Sounds like you're in a better place now though. 

 
It can't be overstated how the state of your mental health directly affects your physical health. Sounds like you're in a better place now though. 


Different, yes. Better...eh...I'll get back to you on that!

 
Different, yes. Better...eh...I'll get back to you on that!
Progress is still progress. It's all a process so even if it doesn't feel like you're where you should be, you're still not where you were. 

 
It can't be overstated how the state of your mental health directly affects your physical health. 
100%

I got fat through injury followed by bereavement.  I felt shitty and stopped training, I stopped thinking of attending classes etc too.  My work became more sedentary.  I comfort ate. 

I found getting back to a healthy diet much harder than quitting smoking.  Even buying petrol tonight tested me.  All them bloody chocky bars I could smell!  

Good luck to anyone trying to stay healthy atm.  

 
So today I found enough time to jump on the MTB and go for a quick lunch ride - advantages of WFH :)  - and Mr Garmin tells me I burned 787 calories, I've a HRM and those boys knows their stuff so I'd say that's pretty reasonable for an hour's ride.

That's 'paid' for a chunk of tonight's fish and chips that a friend bought round and the beer I had with it, so I'm still under the 1640cal goal that I've got set on MFP.

Today was a good day.

 
So today I found enough time to jump on the MTB and go for a quick lunch ride - advantages of WFH :)  - and Mr Garmin tells me I burned 787 calories, I've a HRM and those boys knows their stuff so I'd say that's pretty reasonable for an hour's ride.

That's 'paid' for a chunk of tonight's fish and chips that a friend bought round and the beer I had with it, so I'm still under the 1640cal goal that I've got set on MFP.

Today was a good day.
My old bike is sat languishing at my mum's. I'd dig it out but it needs a new chain and tires. Not that I have anywhere to put it at the moment. 

 
Interesting titbit - on a 7k run (back when i was doing cardio) or heavy leg day i burn around 6-800 cals.

I wore my heart rate monitor to airsoft a few weekends ago when it was hot out, and i burnt around 2200cals for the day.


An easy rule of thumb for calories burned while running/walking, is your weight in kilogrammes per kilometre covered. 

 
Should've clarified, that the 2200kcal was during the game day of roughly 5-6 hours play, on top of BMR

 
Wore through the heel of my trainers at the end of last week - massive blister!! Bit annoying as they're my youngest pair. Just ordered a new pair as my other ones are high-milers and don't have too much life left in them and I'd rather be wearing newer shoes for my marathon next month.

Talking of which - long run tonight, guess I'd better get some distance in the legs!

 
Wore through the heel of my trainers at the end of last week - massive blister!! Bit annoying as they're my youngest pair. Just ordered a new pair as my other ones are high-milers and don't have too much life left in them and I'd rather be wearing newer shoes for my marathon next month.

Talking of which - long run tonight, guess I'd better get some distance in the legs!
It took me such a long time to realise the worth of decent trainers. I couldn't understand for the longest time why I kept getting shin splints after I ran. Turned out it was the lack of proper heel support. 

 
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