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M4 or something else?

Sean84 said:
Clearly you have more experience in the whole game than I do, and I’m sure you know best. And I appreciate the brutal honesty. 

I haven’t bought this gun yet. I’m just getting ideas. I get what you mean about electric rentals will out gun me. I just don’t want to part cash with something that doesn’t give me that fun factor. 

I’m not set in my ways, I’m open to trying a few and seeing what the results are... will just have to wait and see really.

looking on the electric side then, any suggestions of elec m4’s??....
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He is probably talking about the fact you will be restricted by running 30rnd mags as the gun itself will perform fine.

I disagree as I believe using low caps makes you learn to aim, move and think instead of just firing off a load of bbs. In the end you are a better player for it. I started out using mainly low caps and never felt outgunned or outplayed. 

Buy what you like as long as it is a decent one (not WE)

 
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ImTriggerHappy said:
He is probably talking about the fact you will be restricted by running 30rnd mags as the gun itself will perform fine.

I disagree as I believe using low caps makes you learn to aim, move and think instead of just firing off a load of bbs. In the end you are a better player for it. I started out using mainly low caps and never felt outgunned or outplayed. 

Buy what you like as long as it is a decent one (not WE)
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I agree. I’d rather not just spray and pray... I can limit myself and be more accurate. Plus changing mags adds to the experience ?. 

I will have a think. I do like the mag size in elec guns but that’s it. The gas guns give me everything else. Well apart from they aren’t as cheap to run.... lol

 
Sean84 said:
I agree. I’d rather not just spray and pray... I can limit myself and be more accurate. Plus changing mags adds to the experience ?. 

I will have a think. I do like the mag size in elec guns but that’s it. The gas guns give me everything else. Well apart from they aren’t as cheap to run.... lol
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Tm recoil series. There are a few M4 choices. Gives you an approximation of gas blowback recoil, but with AEG mag capacity.  Ultra reliable and good performing gun without need for upgrades.



 
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18 minutes ago, Asomodai said:



Tm recoil series. There are a few M4 choices. Gives you an approximation of gas blowback recoil, but with AEG mag capacity.  Ultra reliable and good performing gun without need for upgrades.

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Tbh, I kinda like that! It seems to fire nicely with some recoil and the noise sounds good. As the guy said tho, battery might be an issue. How long would the standard battery last? Need to have a look into what battery upgrade is possibly available... and sort a sling mount too...

 
Sean84 said:
Tbh, I kinda like that! It seems to fire nicely with some recoil and the noise sounds good. As the guy said tho, battery might be an issue. How long would the standard battery last? Need to have a look into what battery upgrade is possibly available... and sort a sling mount too...
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The recoil is more of a judder and the noise when they are on your shoulder is more of a twang from the recoil spring. Other than that they are a good gun.

Your best bet is to go to a store and actually handle a few and compare them to each other.

 
Sean84 said:
Tbh, I kinda like that! It seems to fire nicely with some recoil and the noise sounds good. As the guy said tho, battery might be an issue. How long would the standard battery last? Need to have a look into what battery upgrade is possibly available... and sort a sling mount too...
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The battery connector can easily be changed to deans so you can use any battery type any retailer worth their salt will do this for free or a small fee on purchase. Alternately buy the 416/417 (They all look like M4's to me!) Which has a standard battery connector. 

If you like something a bit different, they also do AK's, Scar H and L (The L takes M4 mags) and G36's with the same recoil system, though they tend to be a softer recoil. 

 
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ImTriggerHappy said:
The recoil is more of a judder and the noise when they are on your shoulder is more of a twang from the recoil spring. Other than that they are a good gun.

Your best bet is to go to a store and actually handle a few and compare them to each other.
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Yeah I do need to find a shop near me, I just need to research what they sell so Im not wasting my time going there if I can’t try what I like

Asomodai said:
The battery connector can easily be changed to deans so you can use any battery type any retailer worth their salt will do this for free or a small fee on purchase. Alternately buy the 416/417 (They all look like M4's to me!) Which has a standard battery connector. 

If you like something a bit different, they also do AK's, Scar H and L (The L takes M4 mags) and G36's with the same recoil system, though they tend to be a softer recoil. 
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Ah ok so at least the battery upgrade is possible!

yeah for me the m4 has always been a favourite but who knows, my collection will grow with some other guns eventually lol. 

I think I’ll take a good look at that m4 aeg when I get home and see what it’s all about. It has swayed my mind I must admit. Then if I can find a local retailer that I can try it at then that would be a good start!

 
Sean84 said:
Yeah I do need to find a shop near me, I just need to research what they sell so Im not wasting my time going there if I can’t try what I like

Ah ok so at least the battery upgrade is possible!

yeah for me the m4 has always been a favourite but who knows, my collection will grow with some other guns eventually lol. 

I think I’ll take a good look at that m4 aeg when I get home and see what it’s all about. It has swayed my mind I must admit. Then if I can find a local retailer that I can try it at then that would be a good start!
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Its not that we are "Anti" Gbb rifle. Its just for a first gun, you just need something that works well and reliably. A cheap AEG will serve you far better in the field then the GBB initially.

If you get a GBB straight off, it will more likely put you off the sport as they fail quite often, perform worse, wont work when it gets under 10 degrees centigrade and the mags can be very heavy. After a year and a half I bought my first GBBR, loved the recoil, but it failed often and the 8 x 40 round mags alone weighed 6.5kg. I sold it at a loss and bought two AEGs that performed far better. There is a reason why if you do a search for Gbbr for a first rifle, the vast majority of replies will say "get an AEG". 

Very few retailers carry GBBR's, but many carry TM Recoils. 

 
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Asomodai said:
Its not that we are "Anti" Gbb rifle. Its just for a first gun, you just need something that works well and reliably. A cheap AEG will serve you far better in the field then the GBB initially.

If you get a GBB straight off, it will more likely put you off the sport as they fail quite often, perform worse, wont work when it gets under 10 degrees centigrade and the mags can be very heavy. After a year and a half I bought my first GBBR, loved the recoil, but it failed often and the 8 x 40 round mags alone weighed 6.5kg. I sold it at a loss and bought two AEGs that performed far better. There is a reason why if you do a search for Gbbr for a first rifle, the vast majority of replies will say "get an AEG". 

Very few retailers carry GBBR's, but many carry TM Recoils. 
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Have you ever tried the TM MWS? 

 
Asomodai said:
I have, it was pretty good for a GBBr, but just wouldn't work well in the winter. 
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Funny because I have seen them firing away quite happily when my TM all plastic pistol was struggling. A friend has one that is used very regularly and is probably one of the oldest and most used around but it works no matter what.

I am not a huge gbbr fan as prefer stuff that just works but the current TM gas rifles are a game changer. It could be minus two but I would still have no concerns fielding one.

 
ImTriggerHappy said:
Funny because I have seen them firing away quite happily when my TM all plastic pistol was struggling. A friend has one that is used very regularly and is probably one of the oldest and most used around but it works no matter what.

I am not a huge gbbr fan as prefer stuff that just works but the current TM gas rifles are a game changer. It could be minus two but I would still have no concerns fielding one.
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*Shrugs* I don't know what to tell you ;)

 
Asomodai said:
I have, it was pretty good for a GBBr, but owner couldn't use it in the winter. 
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Yet badda bing showed his working in snow and others in the MWS thread seem to not have any issues what so ever.... strange.

 
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clumpyedge said:
Yet badda bing showed his working in snow and others in the MWS thread seem to not have any issues what so ever.... strange.
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Presumably something was wrong with this specific owners one then? I am going by what I was told by an owner, not by my own experience. 

 
Thats for the Western Arms Gas blowback system, it won't work for the TM MWS gas blowback system.

 
Ok if you are set on the whole ‘choose your shot/30rd mag change like a real gun’ route then again don’t get a gas gun as you are going to need to drop a huge amount of money just to get started , just buy a bog standard M4 and a box of ’real cap’ magazines that only hold 30bbs and see how it turns out .

Better to drop £140 on your start than near £700 wouldn’t you think ? 

BUT ultimately it’s your decision on how you want to go .?

 
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