How to tell when you've been shot with a hot gun?

[Rogerborg]

well 500fps out of a sniper at the edge of MED is going to sting

Especially if it's shooting 0.45g or heavier, and Joule creeping.  Bear in  mind that a steel 6mm BB masses 0.86g; those 0.5g BBs that are becoming de rigueur for snipers are getting on up there, and I'd wonder how "plastic" they really are.

What to do?  Since you didn't know who hit you, all you can really do is point it out to a marshal and see if they fancy chronoing the opposing team, starting with the snipers.

Personally I'd like to see more random chronoing done during the day, and am very happy to cooperate when it happens.

 

[Arwen]

I do think that it needs to become the norm to chrono folk using heavy weight bb's with the bb's they are using to play. A number of snipers at my local use .3-.36's and I can definitely feel the difference between them and the normal .25's that most other folk use at the site. It's not so much that they hurt more, but i feel the weight behind them a lot more if they hit my head. 

It's pretty much the only reason I can tell a snipers shot me these days rather than a sneaky aeg, with the grass being as long as it is ?

 

[Adolf Hamster]

Especially if it's shooting 0.45g or heavier, and Joule creeping.  Bear in  mind that a steel 6mm BB masses 0.86g; those 0.5g BBs that are becoming de rigueur for snipers are getting on up there, and I'd wonder how "plastic" they really are.

What to do?  Since you didn't know who hit you, all you can really do is point it out to a marshal and see if they fancy chronoing the opposing team, starting with the snipers.

Personally I'd like to see more random chronoing done during the day, and am very happy to cooperate when it happens.

well its an interesting point about engagement distances, i plan on doing a little research into bb weight vs range from a theoretical stand point as it'll be interesting to see what the difference between slow and fast is when you add in the magnus effect, drag etc.

would be interesting to see how much energy a sniper has at 20m compared to an aeg at point blank for example when using heavier bb's.

 

[Game Cam]

Personally I'd like to see more random chronoing done during the day, and am very happy to cooperate when it happens.

When I went up to play with my mate at Skirmish Nottingham they were doing random chrono while they did mag checks (checking every gun was empty).

I got pulled to one side for it, my Long Barrel M4 shoots 285 so I was golden but I felt a lot better that they were doing it.

 

[Compulsive Reload]

Seems to be optional at my site considering its cqb it should probably be mandatory.

Had some pretty close range shots that have broke the skin on my arm, etc. Got a scar on my arm from getting shot about 15 feet away in april.

 

[Mathias33]

When I went up to play with my mate at Skirmish Nottingham they were doing random chrono while they did mag checks (checking every gun was empty).

I got pulled to one side for it, my Long Barrel M4 shoots 285 so I was golden but I felt a lot better that they were doing it.

They do the same at the site I go to. It’s the players responsibility to chrono their gun before the day starts, the marshalls then do spot checks throughout the day and if you’re using a hot gun then you’re asked to leave as they have to assume you’re using it on purpose.

 

[Arwen]

plan on doing a little research into bb weight vs range from a theoretical stand point

You may already have seen this, but if not, this might help http://mackila.com/airsoft/atp/index.htm

 

[gasman]

Now that's real science love it. If you want to see pain and suffering then look at the Noveriche video when he is being shot with his own gun at ever closer distances to determine MED. laugh

Forgot to say bear skin.

 

[Rogerborg]

A number of snipers at my local use .3-.36'

I went straight to 0.46g, and was surprised to find that my bargain basement MB-03 could lift them.  They're significantly denser than 0.25g, to the extent that you can easily distinguish them by hefting them in your hand.  They're about the limit of what I'd consider appropriate for airsoft use.  0.5g+ is getting uncomfortably close to metal density.  Tank shells use uranium and tungsten cores to penetrate; it's not something that we want to ape in airsoft.

 

[Adolf Hamster]

You may already have seen this, but if not, this might help http://mackila.com/airsoft/atp/index.htm

i hadn't seen it, but it looks pretty interesting. he's gone into a bit more depth than i had planned to in terms of defining an effective range.

my plan is simply with hop set for 20cm of rise, what the maximum range is comparitively for different bb weights.

atm i have about 100m for a .2g bb annd 118m for a .5g bb, both starting from a 1m height and being hopped to rise an additional 20cm.

admittedly that range is firing level and max range is when it hits the ground, and at 1j (completely ignoring joule creep)

 

[clumpyedge]

Can I just ask...

If you were that concerned why didn't you speak to a marshal? If the gun was hot you potentially could have stopped someone else being hurt if it was indeed hot.

 

[BoomingHedgie]

Can I just ask...

If you were that concerned why didn't you speak to a marshal? If the gun was hot you potentially could have stopped someone else being hurt if it was indeed hot.

Because I wasn't sure whether I should have said something hence why I posted this topic.

If it happens again I will probably say something just to be on the safe side ?

 

[clumpyedge]

Because I wasn't sure whether I should have said something hence why I posted this topic.

If it happens again I will probably say something just to be on the safe side ?

Fair enough.

 

[BoomingHedgie]

Fair enough.

I get the feeling that you're not angry, you're just disappointed.

 

[Nick G]

I had a lovely little sniper duel on Sunday . we were beyond MED but not by loads, I reckon we were about 45 meters or so. My rifle was right on the site limit and if it was who I think it was his is pretty close too. Both lobbing weighty BB's , so whoever got hit first was going to know it. And I did ! he got me right in the forehead, I don't get on with face pro or hats when I snipe, and it stung like a good en , vision went a bit fuzzy for a minute or two as well. It was a bloody good shot though as we were both well dug in. Got a lovely lump to show for it. As others have said I think it depends on where you get hit , bony areas do sting more and are more likely to bleed , and how easily an individual bruises.

But Yes , if you think a gun is running hot talk to a marshal, hopefully it an honest mistake and whoever is using it doesn't know or its actually ok and he was closer than you thought.

 

[clumpyedge]

I had a lovely little sniper duel on Sunday . we were beyond MED but not by loads, I reckon we were about 45 meters or so. My rifle was right on the site limit and if it was who I think it was his is pretty close too. Both lobbing weighty BB's , so whoever got hit first was going to know it. And I did ! he got me right in the forehead, I don't get on with face pro or hats when I snipe, and it stung like a good en , vision went a bit fuzzy for a minute or two as well. It was a bloody good shot though as we were both well dug in. Got a lovely lump to show for it. As others have said I think it depends on where you get hit , bony areas do sting more and are more likely to bleed , and how easily an individual bruises.

But Yes , if you think a gun is running hot talk to a marshal, hopefully it an honest mistake and whoever is using it doesn't know or its actually ok and he was closer than you thought.

Lets also hope they know about joule creep

 

[Druid799]

‘How to tell when you’ve been shot with a hot gun ?’

It fecking hurts ? 

 

[BoomingHedgie]

‘How to tell when you’ve been shot with a hot gun ?’

It fecking hurts ? 

Haha!

What would you rate it on a scale of 1 to "I want my mum"?

 

[EvilMonkee]

well its an interesting point about engagement distances, i plan on doing a little research into bb weight vs range from a theoretical stand point as it'll be interesting to see what the difference between slow and fast is when you add in the magnus effect, drag etc.

would be interesting to see how much energy a sniper has at 20m compared to an aeg at point blank for example when using heavier bb's.

Check out Code Red Airsoft FPS Calculator - shows Joules values etc for different weights and FPS

 

[Druid799]

Haha!

What would you rate it on a scale of 1 to "I want my mum"?

Well to answer this question I would use this My own personal variation on the rule of 9’s chart we used in the army to asses burns .

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