Navy seals look

[TheFull9]

The best way to look like a Seal, is to write a book about it.

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

The best way to look like a Seal, is to write a book about it.

Duh moment care to enlighten me?

 

[scalawag]

Spoken to Trigger a few times. Obviously a good guy he just tells it straight and blunt which people can't deal with nowadays apparently...

I think talking with someone face to face is very different from non verbal communication or even talking on the phone for that matter.  There are all sorts of subtle expressions, tones and signals that get lost when you can't see the person you are communicating with.  Sometimes how we say a word can subtly change what we mean, as can the look on our face when we say it, and that just does not happen in non verbal communication.  If you have prior direct contact with the person then you may well be able to pick up some of the subtlety in written communication, but if you don't know them at all then picking up the true meaning of something is very open to interpretation by the reader.  Thats why so much that is posted with the intention of it being funny does not always seem funny to those who read it.

Unfortunately I think that often what people mean to be bluntness in non verbal communication is actually perceived as aggression by others, which is sadly likely to illicit at best defensive responses or an aggressive response.  It is very difficult to make bluntness work on the same level as face to face communication.  Saying that you don't care if others are offended by it in my opinion does not help as it sets up the reader to expect to be offended.

Sadly I think the range of human expression is not recognised by others these days as so much of our communication is in writing.  Its made worse in my opinion as punctuation seems to be rapidly passing into obscurity.  Thats sad because its task is to attempt to add back some of the subtle meaning that is not there in written communication.

 

[Aengus]

~tl:dr the youth are ruining english~

That's what emojis are for 

 

[scalawag]

That's what emojis are for 

:lol: :lol: :lol:   They do help

 

[James1989]

In my opinion, I think a lot of military gear is relevant for airsoft, afterall the job of military gear is to optimise an individuals ability to run around and shoot people. I think there are some common themes.

Of course you will always get people that are captan overkill and I got pissed of with a guy in ghillie that couldn't feel his hit. Then he took off the hood and was about 12 and I felt bad but I digress.

It doesnt matter if its airsoft or monopoly some c*nt (normally my brother) is cheating. We can just try and embrace the majority of the community.

In answer to the OP for inspiration I found a great site called google images. Or go to military first to find the name of the camo you like then find it on ebay

 

[Sako]

Solar has definitely come across more obnoxious in this thread at least. Some of his older posts are actually good (he wouldn't have 8 likes for nothing after all lol)

It really does have that Readman97 vibe to it in this thread though. Although Solar's account was made in October 2017 so unless Readman made an alt account early on ready for when he quit. I doubt its the same person, just that sort of mindset.

They should maybe meet up and be the bestest of friends.

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

In my opinion, I think a lot of military gear is relevant for airsoft, afterall the job of military gear is to optimise an individuals ability to run around and shoot people. I think there are some common themes.

I can see what you are thinking but for a normal skirmish military gear is no better than a pair of jeans and a hoodie with a belt to hook a few pouches on.

The best set up for airsoft is actually the speedsofter style but I am a little too old to pull that off.

Military gear is designed for a battlefield and to help keep you in peak condition and carry all the stuff you might need for several days on patrol or on a battlefield.

Airsoft is generally short games where all you need is a few mags and maybe pyro. The camouflage aspect is all but pointless at airsoft ranges.

Wearing military style gear is just a case of choice and I have already said thats cool by me as long as its still suitable for airsoft and that the person wearing it remembers it is airsoft which is not actually being a soldier. It's not about the clothes it is about the part of the community that forgets the game and the fun is still the main thing.

 

[James1989]

Military gear is designed for a battlefield and to help keep you in peak condition and carry all the stuff you might need for several days on patrol or on a battlefield.

Airsoft is generally short games where all you need is a few mags and maybe pyro. The camouflage aspect is all but pointless at airsoft ranges.

Oh yeah f*ck carrying the kitchen sink but I prefer the uniforms on purely wht I find practical as they tend to have good size pockets, with molle pouches dont slide about, etc. Anyway not expecting you to change your mind and turn up head to toe in mtp

Personally at Red1 I hae found it easier to spot the people in hoodies as appose to darker camo like flektarn ad dpm but that could just be my eyes. 

Anyway all's fair in love and airsoft

 

[LightningCh]

I wear my camo for woodland purely to just look the part lol. For how cheap it is to get surplus items (£30 gets you a smock and trousers in basic camo)
But I wear a Condor MCR5 for both indoor and outdoor so I'm just lightweight and the camo is purely for the "aesthetics". I would never claim it stops them from seeing me, (that is because im just good at hide and seek lol). I keep my "soldier stuff" to a minimum, its about the game and enjoying myself.

But for indoor I definitely have a more "speedsofter" kit. As posted in the loadouts thread, a hoodie and some cargo pants lol.

So all in all, the difference between my indoor kit and outdoor kit is...
Pistol holster is on chest for woodland, on belt for indoor.
and camo for outdoor while i wear black for indoor.

I will not personally be the guy carrying an extra set of weights purely for the realism while skirmishing. It's a skirmish and it's definitely orientated more towards the fun of playing in my eyes.
But that's my opinion, and to the guys who rock up at indoors in MTP and the full loadout. You can wear whatever you want, just don't let it get in the way of the honour side to this sport. Eh. "I didn't feel it through my 6 inches of mags and rig"

 

[scalawag]

I can see what you are thinking but for a normal skirmish military gear is no better than a pair of jeans and a hoodie with a belt to hook a few pouches on.

The best set up for airsoft is actually the speedsofter style but I am a little too old to pull that off.

Yes I can see this but then surely military gear is by your own admission no worse than jeans and a hoody either.  I imagine the speedster style is the best if your objective for the day is to win every game you take part in, but that may not be the only reason other people enjoy airsoft.

Military gear is designed for a battlefield and to help keep you in peak condition and carry all the stuff you might need for several days on patrol or on a battlefield.

Some of it is, but the military do more than battlefield stuff and long patrols,  some military set ups are designed for quick sharp shock engagements(remember the machine gun nest scene in saving private Ryan, a swift change of set up to take on the assault), or even no engagement at all if possible.  To paint military gear as only having the purpose you describe is selling it short and is not the whole picture.  I am sure this was not your intention, and that you meant specifically heavy military load outs, but I at least took from what you wrote "all military load outs"

Airsoft is generally short games where all you need is a few mags and maybe pyro. The camouflage aspect is all but pointless at airsoft ranges.

I could not agree more.  But I still like to wear camo, I don't necessarily wear it for the concealment aspect, I even wear it around the house because I find it comfortable and well made for the most part. I am wearing it as I type this because I am comfortable wearing it.  Assuming that people do things for only one reason can lead to missunderstanding.

Wearing military style gear is just a case of choice and I have already said thats cool by me as long as its still suitable for airsoft and that the person wearing it remembers it is airsoft which is not actually being a soldier. It's not about the clothes it is about the part of the community that forgets the game and the fun is still the main thing.

I agree with most of what you are saying here, but suitability of gear for airsoft is in my opinion a very subjective thing.  Yes it is clear that some things are more suitable than others, and some set ups are more likely to help you win the game, but there are companies out there producing exactly the sort of gear your are describing not to mil specs for military use, but specifically for airsofters, so there would seem to be a part of the wider airsoft community for whom the look of gear is a part of things and who would see it as suitable to turn up in that gear.

I don't want to labour the point but, I think some of this has to do with the diversity of styles in airsoft in the UK now, and the lack of places to exclusively play those specific styles of game.  The "Sunday Skirmish" for better or worse is an airsoft game for all, and for the most part what we are stuck with, and that being the case we all need to find a way to get on.  No matter how much we complain about a certain type of player they are not going to go away, sites won't turn away their money anymore than they will yours or mine.  So we have to find a way to tolerate it, or if not then perhaps there is a need for sites where it is clear that the airsoft played is not a military game in any sense and it is about the competition and trying to win.  

As I have said before my enjoyment of airsoft does not come from winning the game, or making sure that everyone is playing "properly" it comes from other things like the dress up aspect and great mates to chat with for the day. So for me at least, you can see "the game" is not one of the main things, fun is though.

 

[Duff]

tl;dr

If we all liked the same old sh*t then life would be boring, variety is the spice of life and if someone else's choice makes you chuckle, don't make them feel bad for it.

And remember, if you're offended by anything someone else says, that is your choice, not theirs. Baggage is something you have to carry with you.

Now, who's up for forming a onesie squad?

 

[scalawag]

If we all liked the same old sh*t then life would be boring, variety is the spice of life and if someone else's choice makes you chuckle, don't make them feel bad for it.

Spot on mate.

And remember, if you're offended by anything someone else says, that is your choice, not theirs. Baggage is something you have to carry with you.

This I am not so sure about.  Some people can some times (maybe because of their baggage) be genuinely offensive, and taking offence is not always due to the baggage of the offended.  In these instances where offence would be the appropriate response it would be disingenuous to blame the offended person, and entirely inappropriate to let the offender go unchallenged.  So sorry I cannot fully agree with you on this statement. Apportion responsibility accurately and appropriately and challenge those who are genuinely offensive, some will even tell you that is what they set out to be.

Again this form of communication sucks in this area because meaning is not always conveyed in the way that the writer wishes.  

Write down a couple of moderately long sentences that convey some form of meaning, read them in your head, and then get someone else to read them back to you aloud, and I bet what you hear is not the same as you reading the words in your head which conveys your original sense of meaning.  Its an interesting experiment.

 

[Duff]

Stephen Fry said it best "So you're offended, so f*cking what?"



Try this, every time you hear or read something that upsets you, read it as if you wrote it. Still upset by it, then it probably isn't you.

 

[scalawag]

Stephen Fry said it best "So you're offended, so f*cking what?"



Try this, every time you hear or read something that upsets you, read it as if you wrote it. Still upset by it, then it probably isn't you.

Yes I agree but this is a little different from your first comment, as it does not always pass balme to the offended party and allows for offence to be a legitimate response after consideration.  Sometimes it is appropriate to be offended, and sometimes other people are genuinely offensive.

 

[Duff]

Yes I agree but this is a little different from your first comment, as it does not always pass balme to the offended party and allows for offence to be a legitimate response after consideration.

There's no real set formulae for this... you're either able to not take sh*t personally or you're triggered by any opinion that differs from your own. 

I feel like it's a sign of intellect being able to not instantly take offence to stuff even if it's directed at you. More often than not those that bite immediately aren't the sharpest of tools.

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

@scalawag I think you are still missing the point. I have no issue with military style gear even though it is not something I choose to wear myself. The problem is with those players who go so far down the route they are wearing clothing that effects their ability to play properly. Plate carriers with plates in, pads on every possible surface, pouches filled with useless none essential items, bloody backpacks, clothing that is too thick and loose all these things will effect a players ability to feel and hear hits.  Those players who claim they still know are wrong because even the lightest loadouts have dead points.

Even worse was your earlier claim that a few missed hits do not matter because yes they do. The main purpose of an airsoft game is to shoot each other and the number one rule is when you are hit stick your hand up and call it. There is no part of the rules that says that if you don't know it is ok as long as you are happy with your roleplay outfit that is all that matters.

If the dress up is more important than the actual game then re-enactment is the logical choice and not being on an airsoft field pissing people off. 

If people want a good mix of both then play milsim but don't turn up at a normal skirmish dressed like a juggernaut as that defeats the object. I have very few issues with people not calling hits as I can usually adjust my aim for a better spot but not everyone manages that and they end getting frustrated because some airsoft larpist thinks their enjoyment is more important than everyone elses.

Lots of players still do great military loadouts but still stay within the realms of sensible. It is only a minority that are the issue but their numbers are growing and it only takes a few to ruin a day.

As for upsetting people understand I honestly do not care as anyone who takes it personal is one of those that I am aiming at.

 

[scalawag]

There's no real set formulae for this... you're either able to not take sh*t personally or you're triggered by any opinion that differs from your own. 

I feel like it's a sign of intellect being able to not instantly take offence to stuff even if it's directed at you. More often than not those that bite immediately aren't the sharpest of tools.

No there is not a set formulae as we are all individuals.  

I agree with you, but there are some individuals who will offend a significant proportion of the population with their words or actions and see no wrong in that.  I suppose what I don't like are those individuals who seem to think it is their task in life to trample all over the feelings, opinions and/or beliefs of others and then tell them it is their fault "because they can't take it".  My dislike may be because I have worked with the results of that sort of attitude towards others far too often in the last 25 years.  

We will all have things that will set us off, some have fewer than others but we all have them.  Having less of them is not strength, or more of them weakness, its just good fortune or misfortune, and you can't help the baggage you have, as you put it, because you cannot change the things that have happened to you. You can learn to live with it differently, or manage it differently but you will always be prone to the triggers you have.

Personally I don't think this is connected to intellect directly.  I think it is about what we experience in life, regardless of how intelligent we are, and what those experiences teach us about the world, other people and ourselves.  Those born with lower intellect, as you put it, may be more prone to the type of life experiences, and interpretations of them, which prevent the development of resilience as on the whole they tend to be looked down on and taken advantage of by those who consider they have a higher degree of intellect, leading to more negative experiences in life than others may have, and a tendency toward sensitivity.

 

[Duff]

Honestly I don't give a sh*t who I offend but over the years I've noticed that kind of attitude can lose friends fast or give you a reputation that isn't necessarily accurate.

Interpretation is key and a lot of the written word is lost in the reading, for numerous reasons.

I try to be decent to most but sometimes I default to "Oh go f*ck yourself."

 

[scalawag]

@scalawag I think you are still missing the point. I have no issue with military style gear even though it is not something I choose to wear myself. The problem is with those players who go so far down the route they are wearing clothing that effects their ability to play properly. Plate carriers with plates in, pads on every possible surface, pouches filled with useless none essential items, bloody backpacks, clothing that is too thick and loose all these things will effect a players ability to feel and hear hits.  Those players who claim they still know are wrong because even the lightest loadouts have dead points.

Even worse was your earlier claim that a few missed hits do not matter because yes they do. The main purpose of an airsoft game is to shoot each other and the number one rule is when you are hit stick your hand up and call it. There is no part of the rules that says that if you don't know it is ok as long as you are happy with your roleplay outfit that is all that matters.

If the dress up is more important than the actual game then re-enactment is the logical choice and not being on an airsoft field pissing people off. 

If people want a good mix of both then play milsim but don't turn up at a normal skirmish dressed like a juggernaut as that defeats the object. I have very few issues with people not calling hits as I can usually adjust my aim for a better spot but not everyone manages that and they end getting frustrated because some airsoft larpist thinks their enjoyment is more important than everyone elses.

Lots of players still do great military loadouts but still stay within the realms of sensible. It is only a minority that are the issue but their numbers are growing and it only takes a few to ruin a day.

As for upsetting people understand I honestly do not care as anyone who takes it personal is one of those that I am aiming at.

I don't think I have misunderstood you or that I am missing your point or that you are missing mine, I think we will just not ever agree with each others point of view, and I do hear your concerns about some military kit, but I do think we will never agree as we seem to have very different ideas about what the "fun" in airsoft is derived from.  I don't think we will ever see it the same way. I will just leave things at that now as I have really said enough already.