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Baz JJ
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I view it a different way.
BAC subscription gives me a defence and allows them to sell to me. If the shop wont accept that, tough. Im the customer and they need to get with the programme.
If they don't, I will simply buy it from a retailer who will.
Reluctance on their part is purely political.
I know BAC went back to the three games at one site rule because sites wouldn't sign up unless they did. They were scared of losing their grip on newbies who might only play once at their site before trying somewhere else.
We the players are paying for BAC membership, not the sites or the retailer, so vote with your wallet.
BAC subscription gives me a defence and allows them to sell to me. If the shop wont accept that, tough. Im the customer and they need to get with the programme.
If they don't, I will simply buy it from a retailer who will.
Reluctance on their part is purely political.
I know BAC went back to the three games at one site rule because sites wouldn't sign up unless they did. They were scared of losing their grip on newbies who might only play once at their site before trying somewhere else.
We the players are paying for BAC membership, not the sites or the retailer, so vote with your wallet.
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M_P
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If that's the case then i'll stick with ukara, it would defeat the point of luther and bac if the major retailers wont accept it.
Land warrior is good if you want a g&g or g&p m4 :lol:
If they then suffer from lack of sales they'll join up soon enough so I'll probably just wait and see what happens.
Baz JJ
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Yes but if everybody does that, the large retailers will stick with UKARA and the monopoly is maintained. Nothing changes.
If players make it clear that they should be the ones to make the choice, whether that choice be UKARA, BAC or BASA (ex Project Luther), not the retailers who are currently making the choice for you, then they will have to be more flexible.
Choice is good. BAC will allow smaller retailers to compete and we wont be stuck with having to play at the same site three times every year and having to get pieces of paper signed.
The easiest course of action for retailers already subscribing to UKARA is do nothing.
If a couple of the bigger ones play, then the UKARA only ones will be severely disadvantaged and they may rethink their position.
This is not a pro-BAC rant, its a pro-change rant.
If players make it clear that they should be the ones to make the choice, whether that choice be UKARA, BAC or BASA (ex Project Luther), not the retailers who are currently making the choice for you, then they will have to be more flexible.
Choice is good. BAC will allow smaller retailers to compete and we wont be stuck with having to play at the same site three times every year and having to get pieces of paper signed.
The easiest course of action for retailers already subscribing to UKARA is do nothing.
If a couple of the bigger ones play, then the UKARA only ones will be severely disadvantaged and they may rethink their position.
This is not a pro-BAC rant, its a pro-change rant.
M_P
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I agree with you but I think this depends on the retailers either accepting this or not, I don't think the airsofters will change unless the retailers decide to do so first.
I think the new systems are better, don't get me wrong, I just don't think people will change without the retailers instigating it.
I think the new systems are better, don't get me wrong, I just don't think people will change without the retailers instigating it.
Baz JJ
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No I saw the list. However, Land Warrior told me they would accept my BAC defence so I don't know how that works.
If I contacted some of the bigger retailers wanting to spend £300-400 on a RIF, I wonder how many would turn me away.
I might have to go back to using Airsoft World who ARE on the retailers list.
Ive certainly used Swindon Airsoft who ARE ALSO on the list - good company.
If I contacted some of the bigger retailers wanting to spend £300-400 on a RIF, I wonder how many would turn me away.
I might have to go back to using Airsoft World who ARE on the retailers list.
Ive certainly used Swindon Airsoft who ARE ALSO on the list - good company.
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M_P
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I never said they would, I just feel that for this to take off in a big way it needs lots of support from popular retailers, it's not like when UKARA started when there was no alternative.
AW are but I've never seen them as a top tier retailer- more along the lines of action hobbies tbh but it's a start I suppose. Swindon is hardly a big player either, good company I don't deny but it's still small compared to the popular ones.
Zero one, Wolf armouries, Fire-Support, Pro Airsoft Supplies and Land warrior are all not on the list. Those 5 are the ones they need more than any others tbh, and actually allowing special airsoft supplies to join is ridiculous.
The list is long but I've not heard of most of them which doesn't bode well to be honest, they'd do better with well known retailers not niche ones or those small ones attached to skirmish sites.
Still it's a start, can only get better I suppose. I don't think it's worth my while to pay for it yet but if they get some bigger names then I'm more than open to it. I don't think Luther will get much support without the 'big 5' either to be honest, especially if they come in much later than BAC. What these schemes need is the big names to draw in the masses.
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M_P
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Give it time, it may well become the next big thing- I don't think it will, but it wont be the first time im wrong if it does 
That's what I'm doing waiting it out, I can't be bothered to fully register etc if it's not worth it but this time next year may be another story all together.
I brought up the subject of them having special airsoft supplies on their facebook page- they have now removed them. That's a good sign I suppose... Though I think they should check out retailers first.
That's what I'm doing waiting it out, I can't be bothered to fully register etc if it's not worth it but this time next year may be another story all together.
I brought up the subject of them having special airsoft supplies on their facebook page- they have now removed them. That's a good sign I suppose... Though I think they should check out retailers first.
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Esoterick
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Yeah that is actually a complete and utter joke. It isn't even a shop just some bell end "selling" guns from his house in Marlow, and by selling I mean generally keeping your money and then refusing to speak to you through any medium once he has it.
M_P
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I brought up the subject of them having special airsoft supplies on their facebook page- they have now removed them. That's a good sign I suppose... Though I think they should check out retailers first, I mean SAS is most probably the most well known scammer in UK airsoft.
Del Monty
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I read the whole thing on facebook about his 'Shop', if he has been accepted by BAC .. its not worth the effort for me and will drive people away.
Baz JJ
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Taken from the BAC website
Our membership criteria for retailers are:
UK registered business at Companies House (sole traders, or non-registered businesses, please e-mail directly to discuss)
Must retail airsoft products as one of their main lines
Fully operational website
The business must display full contact details
The business must have a published and comprehensive list of terms and conditions of sale, which must include the legal requirements for sales, returns and repairs
Must be able to provide trade references upon request
All commercial premises, must maintain public liability insurance
Agree to the BAC Terms and Conditions, which includes a code of conduct
If you have a problem with one of the retailers in the club, then register your complaint with them.
Personally I cant see an issue. I have had problems with one or two UKARA retailers. I wont buy from them again and I tend to put my experiences on forums such as this to warn those that wish to listen.
You do realise that JBBG are on the UKARA list don't you ?
http://www.ukara.org.uk/approved-retailers.php
Our membership criteria for retailers are:
UK registered business at Companies House (sole traders, or non-registered businesses, please e-mail directly to discuss)
Must retail airsoft products as one of their main lines
Fully operational website
The business must display full contact details
The business must have a published and comprehensive list of terms and conditions of sale, which must include the legal requirements for sales, returns and repairs
Must be able to provide trade references upon request
All commercial premises, must maintain public liability insurance
Agree to the BAC Terms and Conditions, which includes a code of conduct
If you have a problem with one of the retailers in the club, then register your complaint with them.
Personally I cant see an issue. I have had problems with one or two UKARA retailers. I wont buy from them again and I tend to put my experiences on forums such as this to warn those that wish to listen.
You do realise that JBBG are on the UKARA list don't you ?
http://www.ukara.org.uk/approved-retailers.php
M_P
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I did as I said and I was impressed that they acted on it so quickly, that doesn't mean however that I'm going to do a U-turn and change my opinion on whether I think it's a worthwhile scheme at the moment. As I have said, it has potential, lets see how it develops.
With JBBG I can only say that yes it shouldn't be there ideally but up to now ukara was the only option so although no one liked it it was not likely to be changed.
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