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this has gone sideways..... LOL, I love the internet. 

Yes, us Yanks are a bit odd about weapons compared to the rest of the world.  :P
Would that be "a bit odd" as in the lives of schoolchildren being a price worth paying for your right to own guns?

 
guys, dude's new to this place, tempting as it is we don't need to jump straight on him just for being from a country with a different take on civilian firearm ownership.

@truckinthumper don't take it personally, as i'm sure you can understand American firearm culture is as confusing and controversial to us as i'm sure British firearm culture is to you.

 
guys, dude's new to this place, tempting as it is we don't need to jump straight on him just for being from a country with a different take on civilian firearm ownership.

@truckinthumper don't take it personally, as i'm sure you can understand American firearm culture is as confusing and controversial to us as i'm sure British firearm culture is to you.


Not jumping on him just jumping on american gun culture and how they have lost control of it.

Not against gun ownership as if I lived in America I would no doubt be a gun owner. But I am against how bad the gun control is over there, too easy for nutters to get hold of guns. 

 
Hm. I don't think you need any kind of real world training to get "better". Youtube has quite a lof of videos about this topic and the rest is up to you.

Changing shoulders when you peak from your left side (if you are right handed) and trying to stay in cover/concealment whenever possible. Changing stances can help a lot you don't see to many people to crouch, sidestep or lying on their back/stomach (all of them situtional but always do what's unexpected to confuse your opponent). Speed and aggression are important and knowing the layout of your site helps a lot. Knowing cheeky angles always score some kills. Slicing the pie and aggressively peeking hard angles. I only play indoor nowadays and all of this comes naturally. Having a proper cardio can make a huge difference, too.

 
Not jumping on him just jumping on american gun culture and how they have lost control of it.

Not against gun ownership as if I lived in America I would no doubt be a gun owner. But I am against how bad the gun control is over there, too easy for nutters to get hold of guns. 
If you want the truth and not what the media publishes, I will tell you what "boots on the ground" (like me and like minded) see. 

We do NOT have a gun problem. 
We have a criminal problem.  
When violent criminals are released within hours or days of either killing or shooting, that should say it all. 

As for the guns: 
No one really knows how many we have out in circulation. Estimates are between 3-12 for each known citizen in the USA. We have approx. 350 million people. 
That is close to a BILLION guns. So, if "guns" were the problem, we would be reduced to 20 million people in no time. 
We also have a pharmaceutical problem. People are on "personality" drugs as that is pushed more than actually helping those with mental issues. 

In a nut shell, our law makers are not interested in "bettering"  society, but profiting from it. 

I really did want to get into the politics at all, but we are no where NEAR as bad as the world is shown we are. 
We also do not have a real "justice" system, but a "legal" system. 
Our lawmakers want to do the natural thing and be our Lords, which is why we shot the British in the face in 1776.  ^_^

As you say, nutters do get guns, they also get knives, bats, hammers, etc.. Not only here in the US, but in other nations as well. No one is ever truly safe and you have no other option but to live with the fact there are evil people out there. 

I would say we have less than .005% of "nutters" that show up, the rest of the country is law abiding people. 
Our shitty media knows that dirty laundry pays better than rescuing kittens from trees. :(   

P.S. if anyone has any questions on what things are really like (non airsoft related/ politics) feel free to message me, I will tell you what I see. 
I would rather keep it in a private message or in an off topic area. 

 

 
Dunno if I've told this story, exactly 29 years ago on the morning of my wedding (yep it's my anniversary today), my baby sis who lives in kansas City missouri phones me, wishing me well for the impending nuptials etc, I in turn ask her how she's doing & she explains she's angry, the week before they were burgled, & in her exact words "the bastards cleared us out, what's worse they got my gun but dont worry, I went straight out & bought a .357 magnum, & if they come back I'm gonna put holes in them" 

Now for most of us that's an understandable reaction, who wouldn't want a bit of legitimate payback against thieving scum that come in to your home, especially as she had a four month old baby daughter. 

But the kicker is she was 19, 20 in October & under state laws couldn't even buy alcohol, not til she was 21, but absolutely no problems buying one of the most powerful handguns of the time......... That's kinda fucked up, can't trust her with a beer but a fuckin great hand cannon, fill yer boots lol. 

Fast forward to now, her daughters an occupational therapist, kinda physio for the elderly, & her fiance is a paramedic, both have concealed carry permits & both carry every day without fail.

 
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Congrats fella ?

Romantic meal tonight? Kids away? ?

Enjoy the day. hope you got her a nice sideboard. 

 
Not against gun ownership as if I lived in America I would no doubt be a gun owner. But I am against how bad the gun control is over there, too easy for nutters to get hold of guns. 


i don't necessarily disagree, i'm just saying if we start going fully down that rabbit hole it's just gonna end in a row.

 
Congrats fella ?

Romantic meal tonight? Kids away? ?

Enjoy the day. hope you got her a nice sideboard. 
LOL, your quite the comedian Nige, all our plans went up the shitter when the wife's mum decided to have a dementia based "episode" this morning, so it's a quiet bbq, maverick in HD & hopefully a nice meal out in the next day or two, fruitloop permitting ?

 
LOL, your quite the comedian Nige, all our plans went up the shitter when the wife's mum decided to have a dementia based "episode" this morning, so it's a quiet bbq, maverick in HD & hopefully a nice meal out in the next day or two, fruitloop permitting ?
Sorry to hear that bud☹️

Bloody in-laws. 

Seriously though hope all works out and best wishes.29 years is a bloody good score ?

Regards 

 
Bit of a reach comparing an isolated incident over here to what is a too regular occurence over there.


It's cromulent because shotgun certs remain shall issue here.  I got one back in the day for black powder musketry and powder storage.  As it turns out, I never even bought a bang-tube, but it was trivial to get the cert, and once you've got it, you can - quite literally - load for bear.

I'd venture to suggest that if we're talking systems then the Murcan Federal background check actually provides more control and gatekeeping than the UK system, if you're mentally minded and willing to play to win.  It's really more a cultural issue: our most recent mass shooter was an immigrant from the Western Colony, who viewed shooter ownership as normal rather than an aberration.

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It's cromulent because shotgun certs remain shall issue here.  I got one back in the day for black powder musketry and powder storage.  As it turns out, I never even bought a bang-tube, but it was trivial to get the cert, and once you've got it, you can - quite literally - load for bear.

I'd venture to suggest that if we're talking systems then the Murcan Federal background check actually provides more control and gatekeeping than the UK system, if you're mentally minded and willing to play to win.  It's really more a cultural issue: our most recent mass shooter was an immigrant from the Western Colony, who viewed shooter ownership as normal rather than an aberration.

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Nope sorry you are trying to claw at facts to make them fit your point. 

A section 1 firearms licence is far harder to get over here than a gun licence in america. Do you know how many people pass checks that shouldn't over there. Also the private sales of guns is massive loophole in the US. The fact that there are so many guns and millions of those have been sold on without checks or conveniently been misplaced means that there are a glut of weapons able to fall into the wrong hands. Do you know how many people in america own handguns for protection solely because the criminals have them so they feel the need to own one too. The failure of adequate checks and a seriously unregulated aftersale market helps create the circular logic of ownership. It is partly cultural but mainly just a vicious circle started because it is too easy for weopons to be in the hands of scumbags.

It is no coincidence that the country with the highest amount of guns also has the highest amount of gun related crime in the civilised world.

 
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A section 1 firearms licence is far harder to get over here than a gun licence in america.


Which is why I've been very careful to talk about shotgun certificates.  Very few people here choose to get one, but very few people couldn't.

Do you know how many people pass checks that shouldn't over there.


No, how many?

It is no coincidence that the country with the highest amount of guns also has the highest amount of gun related crime in the civilised world.


I guess that depends on whether you consider Brazil and Mexico to be civilised or savage.

In any case, I'm not arguing that point.  If I could Thanos-snap away all guns, everywhere, forever, I'd do it (to howls of approval from lions and tigers and bears, oh my).

Given that I can't, I'm more interested in a dispassionate comparison of the systems.  To be very clear, I'm not arguing in favour of the US situation, or its system.  I'm more concerned with ours, and how it demonstrably doesn't stop wrong 'uns from getting shooters.

It's actually surprising that more career criminals don't get their hands on shotguns here, directly or through a mule.  Perhaps they think that it's harder than it is.

 
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Nope sorry you are trying to claw at facts to make them fit your point. 

A section 1 firearms licence is far harder to get over here than a gun licence in america. Do you know how many people pass checks that shouldn't over there. Also the private sales of guns is massive loophole in the US. The fact that there are so many guns and millions of those have been sold on without checks or conveniently been misplaced means that there are a glut of weapons able to fall into the wrong hands. Do you know how many people in america own handguns for protection solely because the criminals have them so they feel the need to own one too. The failure of adequate checks and a seriously unregulated aftersale market helps create the circular logic of ownership. It is partly cultural but mainly just a vicious circle started because it is too easy for weopons to be in the hands of scumbags.

It is no coincidence that the country with the highest amount of guns also has the highest amount of gun related crime in the civilised world.
Sorry sir, but you have a lot of incorrect information here. 
1st. Our Constitution is Law. COTUS (Constitution of The United States) protects our right to arm ourselves from any Gov't intrusion.  It doe NOT grant us any Rights, it protects them. 

We also do not have any licensing requirements for ownership. We do have a background check if you are buying from an FFL (Federal Firearm Licensed Dealer). 
Not only does it check for criminal flags, but also citizenship. Which makes a LOT of sense. We do have many States that require a "permit" to carry on your person. It is technically a violation of Law (COTUS). 
Private sales are not a "loophole" it is EXACTLY how COTUS is written, so, I will say politely, you have it backwards. 

I do like how you lay out "civilized world". This is a political term that is basically saying "non poors".  We also love keeping data. For good or bad, we just keep too many records.
Far too many countries have either Gov't killing the citizens, or killing each other. In almost EVERY country, Gov't has a monopoly on violence.  Think about that. :(  

I will ask you to please, for all things decent, stop getting your information from the media. They are 90% liars, and our population is far too gullible to to do our own research. 

That said, do we have a gun problem, no sir. We have a really shitty legal system, along with some terrible social systems that are....how can I say..... oppressive . I dont mean racist, I mean oppressive.  We have a multi tier legal system based on social pressure. Not kidding, and it is not only sad, but infuriating. 

I dont claim to know it all, but what I do know comes from someone who, if my home was ever raided, would read like a guy ready to go to war with a small country. Funny thing is, I am a small player in the massive group of people I know, when it comes to the number of guns owned. Having 30-50,000 rounds of various ammo is a bit embarrassing to be honest. 

 I really cant beg enough (and I hate begging) PLEASE stop listening to the media. 


EDITED TO ADD: We do have a few States that have a FOID (Firearms Ownership I.D.) card, and may have you list the guns you own. 
This is also a violation of law. :(   


 

Which is why I've been very careful to talk about shotgun certificates.  Very few people here choose to get one, but very few people couldn't.

No, how many?

I guess that depends on whether you consider Brazil and Mexico to be civilised or savage.

In any case, I'm not arguing that point.  If I could Thanos-snap away all guns, everywhere, forever, I'd do it (to howls of approval from lions and tigers and bears, oh my).

Given that I can't, I'm more interested in a dispassionate comparison of the systems.  To be very clear, I'm not arguing in favour of the US situation, or its system.  I'm more concerned with ours, and how it demonstrably doesn't stop wrong 'uns from getting shooters.

It's actually surprising that more career criminals don't get their hands on shotguns here, directly or through a mule.  Perhaps they think that it's harder than it is.
I like the way you think sir. 

Very level headed and honest. 

 
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Which is why I've been very careful to talk about shotgun certificates.  Very few people here choose to get one, but very few people couldn't.

No, how many?

I guess that depends on whether you consider Brazil and Mexico to be civilised or savage.

In any case, I'm not arguing that point.  If I could Thanos-snap away all guns, everywhere, forever, I'd do it (to howls of approval from lions and tigers and bears, oh my).

Given that I can't, I'm more interested in a dispassionate comparison of the systems.  To be very clear, I'm not arguing in favour of the US situation, or its system.  I'm more concerned with ours, and how it demonstrably doesn't stop wrong 'uns from getting shooters.

It's actually surprising that more career criminals don't get their hands on shotguns here, directly or through a mule.  Perhaps they think that it's harder than it is.


Shotguns are not as easy to get hold of as you think there is still a lot of requirements and it takes up to 8 weeks to get licence and selling the shotgun on is not so as simple as selling a gun privately in the US.

https://www.sportingtargets.co.uk/shoot/the-shooting-club/applying-for-a-shotgun-licence-.aspx

As for how many pass the background check incorrectly which trukinthumper correctly pointed out isn't even a licence, quite a few.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna36391

Now I know ABC news is just another untrustworthy media outlet but there is a link there to the actual report.

And I dont believe everything the american media says as like all media companies they lie, but the morgues don't.

 
I think one thing we're all in agreement about, whether in the UK or USA, no matter what actions our respective governments do, or are considering to do against airsofters/real steel or any other gun shaped hobby the simple truth is for those who want firearms for criminal or murderous intent, they'll get them, or in the case of the Japanese assassin, make them. 

 
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