Heavier BBs, 0.36 to 0.40, Most Cost Effective To Buy In 2022?

[Rogerborg]

how could he prove they used them BBs anyway and not offer the "warranty"?

It's really just a strongly worded warning, for those who want to listen to it.

 

[Tactical Pith Helmet]

how could he prove they used them BBs anyway and not offer the "warranty"?

Everyone who works producing BBs has to submit a sample of genetic material.   That way any faulty BBs can be traced to whoever placed each one in the bag or bottle.  

Since us buying Valkyries enables that poor young lass to pursue her dream of being an actress,  she kisses each BB out of gratitude.   If you look closely each bears a small smear of lipstick, enabling Luke to identify the brand with no expensive lab work required.   

Hudson has actually written about 95% of my comment regarding actual weights already.  

 

[Fatboy40]

I've got a Cyma SVD and from trial & error I've found the following:

If I use anything more than 0.36s I find the hop needed to lift them drops my power down significantly.

Anything less than 0.36 and the power is too high for my regular site (425fps on a 0.20 9r 1.68fps).

I played the morning today with 0.40g BBs, and had to up the hop somewhat for them, and I'm wishing now that I didn't use them all up as I'm wondering if like you my power dropped. I'm going to have to burn through some more money and buy some more to test this properly at home before I touch the hop on my DMR and never know.

They did perform much better than 0.30g BBs though, they flew a lot truer and noticeably further allowing me to reach out to trade shots with a few other DMR users.

 

[Badgerlicious]

For a DMR? IMO, 0.28's are just right for a sub 350fps general rifle They'd be coming out around 280 - 290fps. For DMR's which shoot circa 440fps on a 0.20g, I'd use a minimum of 0.32g's. I've probably got it wrong but something about lower speed projectiles being subjected to less drag, plus the increased weight should be that little bit less affected by wind (light breeze) etc.

I will also add that providing your gun can lift them, you can of course use a chrono to check joule/FPS and ascertain which weight is most suitable. For example the previous rubber and nub combo I used, caused a big drop in FPS as soon as I adjusted for a heavier BB. In those cases I would say there's no point shooting a 0.43g at 1.5J compared to 0.32 or .36 at 1.8.

When I was just messing about with my new <1.14j gun with a flat hop I tried some 0.36s for a laugh. The power dropped with so much hop but compared to 0.28s they got the same range and were much more stable. Now the gun is tuned to account for that power drop it gave me +10m and nice stable shots. This is with both vorsk bbs. I generally use geoffs now and find they are more consistent. 

Also I think what you are thinking of is inertia. Heavier bbs hold their energy for longer, and end up reaching targets at 30m+ faster than lighter bbs. 

 

[Hudson]

Took out my SVD yesterday for a test, and unfortunately it just wasn't running very well, even on 0.36s.

It was windy, which didn't help, but even without that it just didn't seem to have much range or accuracy; I was struggling to make shots at even 50m.

Going to have to go back to the drawing board and find a new bucking to use (and maybe barrel).

Unfortunately, I only get chance to test it once I get to a site, so it's a long & slow process. ?

 

[Steveocee]

My main battle rifle is perfectly happy running 1J with 36s, it’s am expensive approach but it’s almost the best of all worlds.

 

[Rogerborg]

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[Adolf Hamster]

Valkyrie

if i had a penny for every "broken misfeeding pile of junk" that shot just fine when you gave it a mag full of geoffs....

 

[Groot]

I ran my DMR on .45s and while expensive they went straight and true. So hit count was higher. Especially when you can follow up firing instantly to adjust for a bush or wind.

So 3k of bbs would last me a considerable length of time that i would for the most part take the cost out of it and just stick with my Geoffs.
I have returned to springer now and I wont be going back. Its too easily abused.

Not saying you do but i think the rise of "DMR" players is a little toxic to the game.

DMR spamming is a meta hack for sites that allow it. No one i have seen has ever enforced a delay between shots. I mean how logistically could you. 
They mention it at briefing and then their part is done and off you go. 
So its basically a way to run a 1.88J and cheat the system by going "Full Semi Auto"

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[Rogerborg]

Not saying you do but i think the rise of "DMR" players is a little toxic to the game.

1000% agree.  Particularly annoying as I do stick to one-in-the-air, which for DMR ranges means a shot about every 2 seconds, not two or three rounds a second, as far, far too many DMR players do.

Yes, I've reminded other players, yes, I've brought it up with marshals many times, yes, I've pointed out the worst culprits on my own team, but I've never seen anything done about it, at any site, ever, beyond an occasional token reminder at the next brief.  One site toyed with the idea of different coloured chrono tags (not that those ever get checked anyway), or tape around the muzzle, but never followed through.

Me, I'd just bin them off completely, and I say that as an occasional DMR player.  POW airsoft has already done so, and I agree with them on that.

If I ever wanted to "win" at airsoft, I'd go out with my 1.8J+ DMR and spam the hell out of it.  At the very most, I might have to say "Sorry, mate, my bad mate, I forgot, mate" once in a blue moon.

 

[Sneaky]

1000% agree.  Particularly annoying as I do stick to one-in-the-air, which for DMR ranges means a shot about every 2 seconds, not two or three rounds a second, as far, far too many DMR players do.

Yes, I've reminded other players, yes, I've brought it up with marshals many times, yes, I've pointed out the worst culprits on my own team, but I've never seen anything done about it, at any site, ever, beyond an occasional token reminder at the next brief.  One site toyed with the idea of different coloured chrono tags (not that those ever get checked anyway), or tape around the muzzle, but never followed through.

Me, I'd just bin them off completely, and I say that as an occasional DMR player.  POW airsoft has already done so, and I agree with them on that.

If I ever wanted to "win" at airsoft, I'd go out with my 1.8J+ DMR and spam the hell out of it.  At the very most, I might have to say "Sorry, mate, my bad mate, I forgot, mate" once in a blue moon.

I have seen that few times when playing.  No one has really been checking up on it.  

When my stuff is being chronoed I show them that I have a .50 second trigger delay, but again that is not been taken seriously.

It is interesting reading about BB weights for DMR's, I'm currently using .40g, but will check out Geoff's BB's.

 

[Impulse]

I'm currently considering going up to .36s or even heavier if the m21 will hop them, despite being a 1.1J build (basically, will aim for 1.1J with the heaviest BBs I can lift). I don't spam the trigger and play it like a sniper rifle anyway, but at my local site there just isn't much use for DMRs or sniper rifles as the vegetation gets so thick that a 30m MED becomes a liability and I can rarely take shots over 60m. I've used .32s so far because that's the heaviest before the pricing becomes exponentially more expensive, but we'll see how it goes...

I typically an advocate for "use the heaviest it will hop" outside of loading .48s into your CQB gun or your pistol (looking at you, mk23 owners...)

 

[Fatboy40]

Not saying you do but i think the rise of "DMR" players is a little toxic to the game.

Well, I played at Camouflage Airsoft at Alton at the weekend which is a nice wood set venue (all of the greenery hasn't quite grown back yet to its tallest), with both my DMR and AEG, and the results were interesting (and it was a bloody good day out with my son and his cousin).

I ran my DMR with 0.40g BBs, and it was probably shooting the best it has yet for accuracy, but it's still not quite where I want it to be. I was getting bucket loads of hits, and was certainly not playing like a "toxic DMR player", but I think for me at least on that day there was another reason for getting so many hits when I was using it for the morning (and the afternoon was it's own "heavy weight" story). Players on the other team, even those with obviously bank brakingly expensive guns and kit, seemed to forget that the right rifle, whether a DMR or sniper, could have a substantially better range over an AEG so were leaving themselves exposed.

With a DMR and a 3x flip to side I could see them leaving half their body exposed, an arm hanging out from a tree, a head fully exposed, so I just took the shot. To be honest at some of the distances the BB by the time it was approaching them could have been seen by them if the were more observant and dodged. I myself dodged a few incoming shot that were from DMR's and snipers.

What I found most interesting though, from a technical perspective, was the afternoon where I switched to my AEG using 0.28g BBs (normally 0.25g), and what made a big difference was I decided to put the 3x flip to side on the AEG. I could pick a good spot to hide in and the slightly heavier BBs along with the flip to side allowed me to pick off players at a range they just never expected, plus as a site that allowed burst's of auto on AEG's I could pin down an area. I ended up getting massively more kills than I did with my DMR, the 0.28g's helped, however it was the 3x zoom that made all the difference spotting approaching or hiding players.

Long story short, it's the DMR combined with the magnification that's helping me out.

 

[Rogerborg]

That's reasonable, I switch around guns a lot, and (in woodland with a reasonable amount of cover) an AEG bursting 0.28g bang on the site limit with a 3x42 sight probably is the winr8 sweet spot.

However, if I semi-spammed 0.32g+ out of my scoped DMR (and with 11.1V and a meaty motor, I could), I'd be like unto a god.

I'm tempted to try it, but then I'd be no better than the folk already doing that.

 

[Floperator]

What I found most interesting though, from a technical perspective, was the afternoon where I switched to my AEG using 0.28g BBs (normally 0.25g), and what made a big difference was I decided to put the 3x flip to side on the AEG. I could pick a good spot to hide in and the slightly heavier BBs along with the flip to side allowed me to pick off players at a range they just never expected, plus as a site that allowed burst's of auto on AEG's I could pin down an area. I ended up getting massively more kills than I did with my DMR, the 0.28g's helped, however it was the 3x zoom that made all the difference spotting approaching or hiding players.

Long story short, it's the DMR combined with the magnification that's helping me out.

Liking the sound of that because I've just bought two bottles of .28s to try out on Sunday.

I think magnification is a big deal and I wouldn't be without my facog. Not just because I'm wearing mesh and don't have my prescription glasses so need all the help I can get, but it's just so useful for spotting, and you can walk shots on target even at longer ranges if the light is good and you understand your trajectory.

Totally feasible to play the 'dmr' role without actually running a dmr, it's more a state of mind...

 

[Tactical Pith Helmet]

Totally feasible to play the 'dmr' role without actually running a dmr, it's more a state of mind...

I actually do damn well with a 350fps bolt action with open sights.  You pick targets and shoot much more thoughtfully.  

 

[Badgerlicious]

I'm currently considering going up to .36s or even heavier if the m21 will hop them, despite being a 1.1J build

I thought you already used heavier? It's worth it for sure, they fly so true. And if you're placing shots rather than being a typical assault player you don't need as many. I probably do 1000 shots on a very trigger happy day. 

Totally feasible to play the 'dmr' role without actually running a dmr, it's more a state of mind...

100%. Running heavy ammo and a gun built for accuracy gives you an advantage over a lot of other guns at those extreme ranges. If you can be accurate even when your bbs are dropping off you are functionally out ranging people, despite being technically within range of each other. Add a magnified optic to that and you can pick people off through the tiniest gaps in foliage. Then add a ghillieand you become a total menace to the other team ?

 

[Floperator]

Then add a ghillie and you become a total menace to the other team ?

I aspire to being a Total Menace ?

 

[Impulse]

Totally feasible to play the 'dmr' role without actually running a dmr, it's more a state of mind...

It's the same with sniping. I always say that the roles are more about how you play than the gun you use, especially in airsoft where there is such little difference in performance.

I actually do damn well with a 350fps bolt action with open sights.  You pick targets and shoot much more thoughtfully.  

Yeahhhh. I've set my spring VSR up for 1.14J (pretty much right on the money) and it's a blast. I use a scope rather than iron sights, but it's a very satisfying way of playing. Also, it's amusing when people start moaning about "sToP POiNt bLAnKiNG wiTh A sNIpEr rIfLe yOu hAVe aN MED!" if you shoot them up close with a 1J boltie.

I thought you already used heavier? It's worth it for sure, they fly so true. And if you're placing shots rather than being a typical assault player you don't need as many. I probably do 1000 shots on a very trigger happy day. 

Nah, I always used .32s in the m21 and my spring VSR because it was cost-efficient and they flew pretty damn well. Not sure it can hop .48s (the spring VSR probably can...), but that's the only heavy weight I have at the moment. I think the m21 can hop .4s, but I'd love to see if it can do .43s or .45s. Will try a few .48s again this weekend, as I still have some due to using them in the HPA VSR, and the hop rubber I tried them on before in the m21 was awful anyway, but we'll see what works. It's not the end of the world if I buy ammo the m21 can't use, as I know the spring VSR can handle anything so I'll just feed them through that over time

 

[Sneaky]

Had my best experience using my DMR on Sunday. Having a .50 trigger delay felt like an eternity during gaming play (so will reduce that slightly), but I really liked it.  I felt that I made each shot count and therefor a better experience. During the heavy rain, there was only so far I could see my bb before it would disappear, so one of my team mates was acting as a spotter, that was great fun and very immersive.  We even took on other snipers, successfully by working this way.

I love my DMR and the role I do so much more now - got some Geoff bb’s on the way. Roll on Sunday!