Roman Kurmaz replicas

[Allen428]

Just received my DPM Field shirt I ordered and really disappointed. The craftsmanship is excellent but the material used is subpar, washed out/faded. I dread to think what it will look like after it’s been washed a few times.

For contrast the shirt on the right is a issued DPM shirt which has been washed multiple times.

Anyone else had any issues with stuff ordered from him? In my case a complete waste of money.

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[EvilMonkee]

Not sure what you are going for here?  Is it meant to be a repro of something or a DPM shirt done in a particular cut? TBH it looks exactly like old DPM material I have hanging in my closet.  I am also confused by why you would want such an item when DPM shirts are 10 for a penny...Elaboration required!

 

[Tommikka]

That doesn’t loom ‘faded’ to me, but a different set of DPM

The colours have changed over the years, can vary by material and also may be a lighter or darker design such as ‘basic’ European DPM, jungle, etc

https://www.kommandoblog.com/2018/03/06/expedition-into-dpm-variants/

 

[Tactical Pith Helmet]

Not seen the funky Indonesian stuff before.   

There are loads more starting with hand painted Dennison smocks in WWII to all of the Indian/Nepalese etc patterns. 

DPM, flecktarn and lizard are a minefield, there are loads of designs.   

 

[Allen428]

That doesn’t loom ‘faded’ to me, but a different set of DPM

The colours have changed over the years, can vary by material and also may be a lighter or darker design such as ‘basic’ European DPM, jungle, etc

https://www.kommandoblog.com/2018/03/06/expedition-into-dpm-variants/

It’s British DPM.

Not sure what you are going for here?  Is it meant to be a repro of something or a DPM shirt done in a particular cut? TBH it looks exactly like old DPM material I have hanging in my closet.  I am also confused by why you would want such an item when DPM shirts are 10 for a penny...Elaboration required!

British DPM in a Crye G3 Field shirt cut. I’ve had loads of DPM stuff over 25+ years, the material on this is like some cheap kids camo you would buy from the market.

Not seen the funky Indonesian stuff before.   

There are loads more starting with hand painted Dennison smocks in WWII to all of the Indian/Nepalese etc patterns. 

DPM, flecktarn and lizard are a minefield, there are loads of designs.   

It’s British DPM.

 

[Tommikka]

It’s British DPM.

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The first 4 in the link are all British woodland DPM

My point being that there have been many changes, and also between each garment - jacket (which normal people call a shirt), jacket (that is a jacket), smock etc and intended environment (UK/Europe, tropical jungle etc) there are also differences 

Then just different contractors and different production runs 

The primary colour difference in your photo isn’t due to fade. Though genuine DPM that he has used will be surplus and could be issued or unissued

Issued stock will have gone through many washes and will show on the edges of stitched areas such as pockets etc, unissued will have been sat on a QMs shelf mostly in a dark storeroom until it’s sent back

The Army issues 3 sets, so even a soldier who is in barracks does a wash run twice a week (unless they have stocked up by giving storemen extra haribo or raided the drying room if Pte Smith hasn’t put their name and number on the label)

Attached is a genuine jacket with a similar colour to yours, it is used and in the closeups you can see the fade, but it was never as dark as your other one

Both of yours are genuine but different ‘editons’

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[Lozart]

Just received my DPM Field shirt I ordered and really disappointed. The craftsmanship is excellent but the material used is subpar, washed out/faded. I dread to think what it will look like after it’s been washed a few times.

For contrast the shirt on the right is a issued DPM shirt which has been washed multiple times.

Anyone else had any issues with stuff ordered from him? In my case a complete waste of money.

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It does look a bit "washed out", at the risk of sounding facetious - what was the description when you bought it and have you tried contacting Roman about this?

 

[Allen428]

The first 4 in the link are all British woodland DPM

My point being that there have been many changes, and also between each garment - jacket (which normal people call a shirt), jacket (that is a jacket), smock etc and intended environment (UK/Europe, tropical jungle etc) there are also differences 

Then just different contractors and different production runs 

The primary colour difference in your photo isn’t due to fade. Though genuine DPM that he has used will be surplus and could be issued or unissued

Issued stock will have gone through many washes and will show on the edges of stitched areas such as pockets etc, unissued will have been sat on a QMs shelf mostly in a dark storeroom until it’s sent back

The Army issues 3 sets, so even a soldier who is in barracks does a wash run twice a week (unless they have stocked up by giving storemen extra haribo or raided the drying room if Pte Smith hasn’t put their name and number on the label)

Attached is a genuine jacket with a similar colour to yours, it is used and in the closeups you can see the fade, but it was never as dark as your other one

Both of yours are genuine but different ‘editons’

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I know there’s been many changes, I’ve been serving since the early 90’s. Had plenty of those jackets myself and still have some.
Plus there not both genuine the one on the left has been custom made by Kurmaz Gear from a material roll. 

It does look a bit "washed out", at the risk of sounding facetious - what was the description when you bought it and have you tried contacting Roman about this?

Custom made G3 Field shirt in British DPM. Here’s his reply when I messaged him after I received it.

hi

unfortunately i`m not a fabric manufacturer, i use that what available. Very difficult to find dpm at all and i have only few sources for this fabric. So available as is, sorry

 

[Lozart]

I know there’s been many changes, I’ve been serving since the early 90’s. Had plenty of those jackets myself and still have some.
Plus there not both genuine the one on the left has been custom made by Kurmaz Gear from a material roll. 

Custom made G3 Field shirt in British DPM. Here’s his reply when I messaged him after I received it.

hi

unfortunately i`m not a fabric manufacturer, i use that what available. Very difficult to find dpm at all and i have only few sources for this fabric. So available as is, sorry

Well...that's a bit disappointing. I know it's not what you want to hear but it sounds like you're a bit stuck here. Without asking to see a sample of the fabric he intended to use before he started it's pretty much up to him to use what he has/can get hold of. It IS a British DPM pattern material, it just looks a bit faded. All I can suggest is pursuing him along the lines of it not being what you were expecting but I think that caveat emptor will be the overriding guidance in this case.

 

[Allen428]

Well...that's a bit disappointing. I know it's not what you want to hear but it sounds like you're a bit stuck here. Without asking to see a sample of the fabric he intended to use before he started it's pretty much up to him to use what he has/can get hold of. It IS a British DPM pattern material, it just looks a bit faded. All I can suggest is pursuing him along the lines of it not being what you were expecting but I think that caveat emptor will be the overriding guidance in this case.

Yes my fault, after hearing positive reviews of his work I thought he would have used a better material. I guess the material he uses for the more modern camo’s is probably better quality. I can’t fault the workmanship it is beautifully made just the material used.

 

[Lozart]

Yes my fault, after hearing positive reviews of his work I thought he would have used a better material. I guess the material he uses for the more modern camo’s is probably better quality. I can’t fault the workmanship it is beautifully made just the material used.

The modern stuff is just easier to get hold of so he has more choice I guess. I mean... it still looks good, just not "parade square fresh" if you will.

 

[Tactical Pith Helmet]

Never heard of a tailor using completely faded material before.  

'Here we go Sir, it's a beautifully crafted suit of completely knackered Worstead. '

Plenty of reasonable DPM available from China surely? 

 

[Tackle]

While I agree there are plenty of variations in issued dpm kit, I'd expect much better than that from a reputable maker of custom kit, surely he has enough experience in camo materials to have spotted that very obvious fade issues, & as such should have contacted the client (op) to give him the option as to whether to proceed with the job ?

would have been better to butcher a couple of genuine (non faded) issue shirts to get the end result than use that ?, agree with the op's comment that it looks like the material you'd buy off a market stall so your little sprogs can play dress up.

 

[Lozart]

While I agree there are plenty of variations in issued dpm kit, I'd expect much better than that from a reputable maker of custom kit, surely he has enough experience in camo materials to have spotted that very obvious fade issues, & as such should have contacted the client (op) to give him the option as to whether to proceed with the job ?

would have been better to butcher a couple of genuine (non faded) issue shirts to get the end result than use that ?, agree with the op's comment that it looks like the material you'd buy off a market stall so your little sprogs can play dress up.

I agree, he should have at least sent a picture of the available material but if that's all he can get then it's probably what he assumes everything on the market is like.

Might be worth the OP posting in the Lindnerhof group on Facebook to see if anyone else has the same issue https://www.facebook.com/groups/807151342686715

Plenty of reasonable DPM available from China surely? 

Probably, but where does Roman source his materials? Probably not AliExpress.

 

[Tackle]

@Allen428 if you don't mind me asking, how much did the shirt cost ? 

Probably, but where does Roman source his materials? Probably not AliExpress.

Shouldn't be an issue, Ive bought a few dpm bits recently, as my old kit appears to have "shrunk" (??), some issue & some knockoff, & even the knockoff kit was spot on for pattern & colour, so the material is out there ? 

 

[Allen428]

@Allen428 if you don't mind me asking, how much did the shirt cost ? 

Shouldn't be an issue, Ive bought a few dpm bits recently, as my old kit appears to have "shrunk" (??), some issue & some knockoff, & even the knockoff kit was spot on for pattern & colour, so the material is out there ? 

130 Euro, will stick with my issue DPM clothing instead, I just wanted a DPM G3 cut field shirt. Lesson learned.

 

[Druid799]

Hi ,

unfortunately i`m not a fabric manufacturer, i use that what available. Very difficult to find dpm at all and i have only few sources for this fabric. So available as is, sorry

That’s a BS excuse , which is pointless as that’s NOT your problem . You entered into a contract with a retailer with an expectation of an acceptable level of quality , that shirt is well below that level . Can’t get decent quality material ? Tuff not your problem , if the seller can only get a sub par quality of material then they don’t sell products made from it OR they inform the customer to give them the option to cancel or not , that’s your choice to make not theirs .

Only result I’d want is either a full refund and return to them or a very substantial partial refund to keep it .

 

[Lozart]

Only result I’d want is either a full refund and return to them or a very substantial partial refund to keep it .

Given the cost of it I would tend to agree but that's for the OP to take up with Roman.

 

[Tackle]

Yep, at that price I'd definitely back it. 

 

[EvilMonkee]

TBH whilst a little sympathetic, the piss taking side of me blames the OP for wanting such an abomination as a G3 cut shirt in DPM in the first place.....