Tokyo Marui, are they always a safe bet?

[Tackle]

I've got a tm m4s, plastic bodied & it's not missed a beat in about 17 years, not even "serviced", but I've got quite a few new cosmetic parts sitting around, metal bodies/keymod forends/rear stocks, so I thought I'd jazz it up with a makeover. 

But am I gonna fuck up the magic, essentially I'm just swapping over the internals in to something prettier, should I get one of these cabinets so that the tm fairy dust doesn't escape during reassembly ?

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[Spartan873]

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I knew I missed a trick! All the pixie dust escaped from mine the moment I opened it..

 

[Halo]

I’m new but have the bug!  Not sure if anyone has mentioned but I think TM are the only ones to offer recoil, stop shot function (so when your out of ammo you not air shooting!)  unless skys the limit then there’s the GBLS DAS which seems the ultimate experiment

https://eagle6.co.uk/shop/catalog/product/view/id/4366/s/tokyo-marui-m4-cqb-r-black-next-generation-recoil-shock-a-e-g-pre-order/

TM get a bad rap for the FPS, I’m told not to fixate on this as it will shoot as far as others at 350 FPS.  That said for  £95 you can tell this supplier what FPS you want and they will make it so!

If I could have my time again I’d have bought the above for sure plus it sounds way better than my KWA T10, although the recoil might not be as good.

So I’d day for around £400 buy a KWA Ronin T10, if you can pay more get the TM with the upgrade for £540 or whatever, if it needs to be lower then get the CYMA.

I couldn’t be without the recoil, imagine pistols that had none, yack!  

Be like one of those meek handshakes you get from low testosterone males where they clasp your fingers and not firmly crush your hand…..technically it’s the same thing but it’s not is it .

 

[Druid799]

TM get a bad rap for the FPS, I’m told not to fixate on this as ‘IT WILL SHOOT AS FAR AS OTHERS AT 350 FPS’ .

AND with this one incongruous comment you open the door and put the light on one of the biggest points of contention in Airsofting , FPS v Range .
On one side you have players who say within reason of course that FPS has rock all to do with range it’s all about your hop set up(I’m in that camp) and on the other you have the ones banging on about the FPS is what matters as “power = distance”(definitely NOT me !) ?

 

[SBoardley]

Yeah defo from my experience; inverted recoil, decent hop, bolt stop function, shit fps - tm ngrs ALL day. Decent fps, ok hop ( although on any m4 aeg it takes five minutes and five quid to make it decent) any other brand aeg! Unfortunately you start tweaking Tokyo maruis and the toffee metal house of cards comes tumbling down. This is why they got such low fps. 

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

I've never looked at TMs principally because they are far and away beyond my budget. For me one of the thrills of airsoft is how much fun you can have without needing to spend massive amounts. Of course, wanting to spend massive amounts is a very different thing...

For me, light weight wins every time, so it's plastic for me. Not at all fussed by recoil. Did try a GBB Glock once a few years ago, was fun but wouldn't go out my way to get one.

Yes, gear snobs can look down at me if they so desire with my crappy Lancer Tactical M4 and my UAR. What is it thats said about APS, "A Piece of Shit"? Well to me they're great fun, work perfectly and cost me hardly anything. Most of all, I'm happy with what I've got. And they do the same job of lobbing plastic BBs at sub-350fps as something five times the price.

And if folk want to blow 500 quid or whatever it is on a TM, fair play to them. Personally, I'll still hanker after a sub-£150 CSI XR-5 and perhaps an affordable non-CO2 Desert Eagle. As far as I'm concerned I'd never own another gnu if I had both of those.

 

[SBoardley]

I've never looked at TMs principally because they are far and away beyond my budget. For me one of the thrills of airsoft is how much fun you can have without needing to spend massive amounts. Of course, wanting to spend massive amounts is a very different thing...

For me, light weight wins every time, so it's plastic for me. Not at all fussed by recoil. Did try a GBB Glock once a few years ago, was fun but wouldn't go out my way to get one.

Yes, gear snobs can look down at me if they so desire with my crappy Lancer Tactical M4 and my UAR. What is it thats said about APS, "A Piece of Shit"? Well to me they're great fun, work perfectly and cost me hardly anything. Most of all, I'm happy with what I've got. And they do the same job of lobbing plastic BBs at sub-350fps as something five times the price.

And if folk want to blow 500 quid or whatever it is on a TM, fair play to them. Personally, I'll still hanker after a sub-£150 CSI XR-5 and perhaps an affordable non-CO2 Desert Eagle. As far as I'm concerned I'd never own another gnu if I had both of those.

True and fair bud. People buy rifs different reasons; I like collecting gbbrs for example, not always practical but they always put a smile on my face when someone gets tagged. 

 

[Druid799]

Yeah defo from my experience; inverted recoil, decent hop, bolt stop function, shit fps - tm ngrs ALL day. Decent fps, ok hop ( although on any m4 aeg it takes five minutes and five quid to make it decent) any other brand aeg! Unfortunately you start tweaking Tokyo maruis and the toffee metal house of cards comes tumbling down. This is why they got such low fps. 

Also what a lot of players don’t seem to realize is TM are made exclusively for the Japanese market(Their not that bothered about what the rest of the world wants) where the FPS allowed is no more than 322fps by law . TM manufacturers all their gun to function to there maximum potential below this number hence they function so well at a lower FPS compared to other brands , and once you DO start ‘up-grading’ you end up in a situation where once one part is changed it throws everything else out of sink and you then end up replacing another part , then you need to replace another part , and another etc etc .

I've never looked at TMs principally because they are far and away beyond my budget. For me one of the thrills of airsoft is how much fun you can have without needing to spend massive amounts. Of course, wanting to spend massive amounts is a very different thing...

For me, light weight wins every time, so it's plastic for me. Not at all fussed by recoil. Did try a GBB Glock once a few years ago, was fun but wouldn't go out my way to get one.

Yes, gear snobs can look down at me if they so desire with my crappy Lancer Tactical M4 and my UAR. What is it thats said about APS, "A Piece of Shit"? Well to me they're great fun, work perfectly and cost me hardly anything. Most of all, I'm happy with what I've got. And they do the same job of lobbing plastic BBs at sub-350fps as something five times the price.

And if folk want to blow 500 quid or whatever it is on a TM, fair play to them. Personally, I'll still hanker after a sub-£150 CSI XR-5 and perhaps an affordable non-CO2 Desert Eagle. As far as I'm concerned I'd never own another gnu if I had both of those.

I buy what I can afford AND what I like , so my collection runs the whole gamut from £25 springer shotguns up to £600+ ‘special’ guns AND everything in between ! ?

I’ll be honest I’ve never encountered anyone looking down on my kit(but I think they probably realise from my general ‘demeanor’ I wouldn’t take any of that shit from anyone ??) but in the end who really cares ? I don’t ! ?

 

[Tackle]

As far as I'm concerned I'd never own another gnu

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Never say never ?

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

True and fair bud. People buy rifs different reasons; I like collecting gbbrs for example, not always practical but they always put a smile on my face when someone gets tagged. 

Yep, and that's what its all about, having a smile on your face. Whether its practical or not!

Also what a lot of players don’t seem to realize is TM are made exclusively for the Japanese market(Their not that bothered about what the rest of the world wants) where the FPS allowed is no more than 322fps by law . TM manufacturers all their gun to function to there maximum potential below this number hence they function so well at a lower FPS compared to other brands , and once you DO start ‘up-grading’ you end up in a situation where once one part is changed it throws everything else out of sink and you then end up replacing another part , then you need to replace another part , and another etc etc .

I buy what I can afford AND what I like , so my collection runs the whole gamut from £25 springer shotguns up to £600+ ‘special’ guns AND everything in between ! ?

I’ll be honest I’ve never encountered anyone looking down on my kit(but I think they probably realise from my general ‘demeanor’ I wouldn’t take any of that shit from anyone ?? but in the end who really cares ? I don’t ! ?

Quite right too. I've only got four RIFs however the one I shoot most often at home is the 20 quid Galaxy springer 1911 I picked up from BBG4L. Its a hoot.

Thankfully never come across any gear snobs at games, the folks at my home site are all great craic and there's none of that. However it seems to be pretty prevalent on the net. Stuff em.

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Never say never ?

Pfft. Who am I trying to kid eh...

 

[Cannonfodder]

There's one thing the budget range rifs can do that TMs cant.

Give you a really smug sense of satisfaction when you light up a gear snob with it and they realise they were shot with something that cost a fraction of the price of theirs

 

[BigStew]

There's one thing the budget range rifs can do that TMs cant.

Give you a really smug sense of satisfaction when you light up a gear snob with it and they realise they were shot with something that cost a fraction of the price of theirs

poor sportsmanship all round there. used what you want play how you want to play. however i have never come across a gear snob running a stock TM its usually something overly upgraded (stupid rate of fire and running a ball hair below site limits)  that breaks ever other game but in the end if that's how they want to spend their money all power to them. As always the golden rule of airsoft is don't be a dick.

 

[Stratton Oakmont]

There's one thing the budget range rifs can do that TMs cant.

Give you a really smug sense of satisfaction when you light up a gear snob with it and they realise they were shot with something that cost a fraction of the price of theirs

https://tacticaloutfitters.net/products/stop-being-poor-morale-patch

its your attitude that makes people wear these

 

[Ebeneezer Goode]

I'm not poor, I just like to spend my hard earned on other stuff... 

 

[Lozart]

https://tacticaloutfitters.net/products/stop-being-poor-morale-patch

Ah yes, the insignia of the HK Owners Club!

 

[TheFull9]

https://www.flexonthepoors.com/

 

[Cannonfodder]

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[Shamal]

 As always the golden rule of airsoft is don't be a dick.

Unless,of course, you are Dick ?

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Regards 

 

[AirSniper]

Most brands have the odd lemon in their range. TM pistols are always considered a safe bet, but then the 1911's are a bit rubbish and the original M9's were bad.

TM make generally good stuff, but as mentioned everyone else has pretty much caught up.

I have the 2011-1911, been pretty solid to date and out performs others, the other week when it was cold, my pistols were the only pistols working when others would get 2 or 3 shots and the gas is done, mine kept on firing fine.

People again with this FPS thing, it is a fixed energy rating. DO THE MATH....

A 0.2g BB fired at 320 feet per second is travelling at 218 miles an hour. (just to bring the FPS in to a realm that most of us understand)

SO why do you need to go faster? These are SAFETY LIMITS that are imposed by government and the sites in turn may have their specific rules and limits like the site my son likes out of all the ones he goes to is now weighing BB's to stop people subbing higher weight than was chronograph with.

ITS A SPORT AND GAME and it seems to me that the idea most people have is to want to have higher FPS to just hurt people as that is all that higher FPS does, hurt more, so maybe you're not suited to the sport...

All I can see in the future is airsoft will go the same way as guns and having to have proper background checks and regulations that will just stifle the sport and all because some want to push their luck.

Increasing the power can land you in trouble, serious trouble in the UK as the laws are ON THE  power and not FPS because FPS is the combination of the mass and the power, the FPS is variable based on how you select your load. SO you have a limited scope to work with, if you want to play with the law, remember that as soon as you break the JOULES LEGAL LIMIT it became an actual firearms offence, just possessing it is an offence and your choice if you want to play with the law like that. Its not the VCRA that airsoft is governed by, its also HSE and Firearms laws and Police and Crime act and several other laws that will be lurking in the wings. 

Summary is this...

WORK WITH WHAT YOU GOT BY DOING THE MATH.

 

[TheFull9]

Now I know what being mansplained to feels like.