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Macks airsoft dreamers of the week thread

Adolf Hamster said:
i mean how long are this dudes arms :P
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AlphaBear said:
Deal at £900 yeah?
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Why on earth would you think that it's wor...

"Fully upgraded by KOA "

Ohhh.

Translated: "All the diamond encrusted stuff that neither the guy who paid for it, nor I who traded for it, ever once actually liked enough to use: that must be worth at least that that much to you as well.  Beg me to sell it to you, peasant.  On your mud encrusted knees."

 
A mate of mine has a TM recoil in a box. In bits, complete. He can't be arsed to put it back together as, his words, "meh"

I don't see their appeal either.

 
For Sale - A mistake shaped like a TM NGRS Delta - £900
 

Feel like this should be in that airsoft fallacies thread, I beg one day that the general airsoft player base realises that ‘aftermarket’ ≠ ‘upgrade’.

Granted that leads to a longer thought pattern of what ‘upgrade’ actually means. Many are seemingly happy in winning a gucci point pissing contest than they are having a nicely performing rif, and if that’s what you’re after then I guess it is upgraded for the intended purpose.

The only ‘actual’ reasons I can think of for selling a rif before skirmishing it that doesn’t ultimately lead me to suspicions of it not performing very well are:

1) Unexpected financial difficulties.

2) Ergonomically uncomfortable for the user (be that too long, too heavy, too much like a P90).

3) Too loud for intended purpose.*
 

*This is only here so I can use it as a justification if I sell my MWS. Gotta think ahead so I don’t look like a hypocrite later down the line ?.

I’m all for putting fancy stuff in and on my rifs, but am very aware that much of it gives little to no improvement over what was already in/on there. Which is largely why installing aftermarket parts on brand new rifs makes my head spin, what is the improvement from the ‘upgrade’ being judged against?

 
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The problem with "upgrades" is the ability to make a gun perform better often lies in simply assembling it properly with a few choice parts in the places where they really count.

Its not a case of buying the most expensive iteration of each component, slapping them together and expecting the end result to be better.

 
I guess the point I was trying to make and having read my post back managed to entirely miss, was my suspicion the root of the disappoint that I feel leads to a lot of these sorts of sales.
 

Using a rif stock should act as your ‘control’ when playing around with putting aftermarket parts in something. Not having that benchmark to gauge the potential improvements from feels like a big miss, and a very easy way to wind up disappointed with your results.

Apologies, I suspect I’ve caused this to deviate away from where the topic was.

 
Cromulon1994 said:
A mate of mine has a TM recoil in a box. In bits, complete. He can't be arsed to put it back together as, his words, "meh"

I don't see their appeal either.
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Is it actually he can’t be arsed to put it back together or is it more like “I’ve taken it apart AND now I haven’t a fecking clue how to put it back together !” ? seen it happen SO MANY times ! 

if I’m buying TM recoil 2nd hand the nano second I see ‘upgrade’ I turn and walk off in the opposite direction ! Don’t care who’s upgraded it , anything bar a deans connector fitted as far as I’m concerned the guns bollox’ed and will implode sometime in the future where as a stock one is just like the energizer bunny ?. ?

 
Actually in all fairness a recoil is pretty easy to take apart and put back together. It’s not rocket science and there are so many videos on YT these days. All one needs is the right tools and a bit of patience and plenty of whiskey. 
 

Now going back to the actual topic... £900! Is it worth that’s? It’s all a matter of perspective. If the upgrades can be verified and you know which tech has done the work then there may be some merit is the asking price. If you don’t ask, you don’t get. But as I said, it’s quite easy to upgrade a recoil. But then again some people may just not want the faff of doing it themselves. 
 

Now, would I pay that for such an item which can’t be verified. Erm No! Nada! Nichts! No way hosey.... However there maybe someone who may....

Oh will it make you a better player? Erm.... somehow I doubt it.... but then again you may feel like the only seal team member on the field with your CAG 416 and that’s all that matters at the end of the day isn't it? .... enjoying oneself and taking part....

 
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AlphaBear said:
Oh will it make you a better player? Erm.... somehow I doubt it.... but then again you may feel like the only seal team member on the field with your CAG 416 and that’s all that matters at the end of the day isn't it? .... enjoying oneself and taking part....
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True, but so many of these fUlLy UpGrAdEd GnUs are sold as "never skirmished" or "put four rounds through it".

I even get the appeal of making - or paying someone to make - the best possible toy, without any real intention of using it for its ostensible purpose.  I guess it's like those chaps who trick out cars with every available Stage Eleventy-Nine performance part just so that they can park them up at a car meet with the bonnet open then wander off and ogle similar concours queens.

However, I can't help but feel sorry for such hardware.  Their Machine Spirits must be restless.

 
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Oh for sure, the diminishing returns is strong in this hobby.

The biggest lesson i learnt from the m4 is perfection is nice but not worth the effort over "good enough" and that was after having incrementally got it there over the guts of a decade

 
I decided to upgrade two of my guns professionally and see what difference if any a professional tech could make. To be honest I could have done the same quality of job myself. Other than tuning and fixing a RHop and soldering wires. I hate soldering grrrr. Has it made me a better player. Nope. Does it make me smile each time I use them? Hell yes! Will I ever get a good return back on them if ever I sell them? Absolutely not! Oh will I ever use a tech again? Nope. Disclaimer... >>>Just Luke at Negative Airsoft cuz he ‘loves TM recoils and Titans’ and I just got to see the video when I ask him to make it the best pew pew like ever. 

Adolf Hamster said:
Oh for sure, the diminishing returns is strong in this hobby.

The biggest lesson i learnt from the m4 is perfection is nice but not worth the effort over "good enough" and that was after having incrementally got it there over the guts of a decade
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Couldn’t have said it any better myself. 

Rogerborg said:
True, but so many of these fUlLy UpGrAdEd GnUs are sold as "never skirmished" or "put four rounds through it".
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This is what I can’t get my head around. If you’re buying something which has been gutted and replaced with upgraded parts and it’s been done by known named techs then why sell it. I mean what am I missing here. Agreed situations can change for whatever reason cuz we live in crazy times. But still...

 
Druid799 said:
Is it actually he can’t be arsed to put it back together or is it more like “I’ve taken it apart AND now I haven’t a fecking clue how to put it back together !” ? seen it happen SO MANY times ! 

if I’m buying TM recoil 2nd hand the nano second I see ‘upgrade’ I turn and walk off in the opposite direction ! Don’t care who’s upgraded it , anything bar a deans connector fitted as far as I’m concerned the guns bollox’ed and will implode sometime in the future where as a stock one is just like the energizer bunny ?. ?
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No, he's actually not one of those people, genuinely just doesn't interest him.

 
https://prefired.co.uk/ads/well-mb4405-custom-vsr10-airsoft-sniper-rifle/

Yours for just £30 thats right £30 over retail price from bbgunzfirless!

Add in the £60 for postage and a load of bb's from a brand I have never heard of and you have a real dreamer. 

So with a touch more google fu I managed to find this gun with bi-pod and scope for £165 (again bbg4l) so really this is a massive saving of £15 off retail....

https://bbguns4less.co.uk/products/well-mb4405-custom-vsr10-airsoft-sniper-rifle-in-green.html

 
Jaylordofwaargh said:
https://prefired.co.uk/ads/well-mb4405-custom-vsr10-airsoft-sniper-rifle/

Yours for just £30 thats right £30 over retail price from bbgunzfirless!

Add in the £60 for postage and a load of bb's from a brand I have never heard of and you have a real dreamer. 

So with a touch more google fu I managed to find this gun with bi-pod and scope for £165 (again bbg4l) so really this is a massive saving of £15 off retail....

https://bbguns4less.co.uk/products/well-mb4405-custom-vsr10-airsoft-sniper-rifle-in-green.html
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£60 postage? Where the fuck is he posting it from, Antarctica? I honestly had to check the ad just to make sure you hadn't made a typo. 

 
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