Which Pistol?

[Davegolf]

I think I’m pulled more towards the TM P226 - just because I think it looks sexy but again I want metal and there’s nothing that can change that - is the SSP1 really that much of a bad option or are people just hating on it for what it is? A branded KJW 

metal, green gas, 200£ budget with holster and mags all in - that’s what I’m after but as someone said previously what a community. I’ve read most of the responses and I’m honestly grateful for everyone’s input and I wouldn’t ask if I really wasn’t stuck! 

I ran a P226 for a few years, i definitely like the looks and ergonomics, it was very reliable, upgrade wise i fitted a tightbore and PDI W hold bucking which pretty much made it 50M effective.

All it ever wanted was its piston lid seal lubing, that was all that ever went wrong - by wrong i mean it wouldnt cycle properly because the seal would drag the BBU ( im talking lube it once a day )

Great gun, i did have a full metal kit on it, but went back to the plastic slide as it functioned much better, especially in the colder months.

As for KJW etc - you said you wanted performance and reliability, this does not meet that criteria!

 

[RonLancs]

I ran a P226 for a few years, i definitely like the looks and ergonomics, it was very reliable, upgrade wise i fitted a tightbore and PDI W hold bucking which pretty much made it 50M effective.

All it ever wanted was its piston lid seal lubing, that was all that ever went wrong - by wrong i mean it wouldnt cycle properly because the seal would drag the BBU ( im talking lube it once a day )

Great gun, i did have a full metal kit on it, but went back to the plastic slide as it functioned much better, especially in the colder months.

As for KJW etc - you said you wanted performance and reliability, this does not meet that criteria!

So that’s a solid no to SSP1 haha - would it be worth upgrading g18 with maple leaf guts? Anyone got experience with that? 

 

[Guest]

So that’s a solid no to SSP1 haha - would it be worth upgrading g18 with maple leaf guts? Anyone got experience with that? 

Yep, depending on the G18, ML kit will make a massive difference 

 

[RonLancs]

Yep, depending on the G18, ML kit will make a massive difference 

Hmmm maybe just stick with the g18 then and get the ML kit and save myself 150£ in the process. 
 

This lockdown is dangerous for my bank account... 

 

[Davegolf]

Everyone's bank account lol!

 

[Noddy45]

Hi all,
 

May I please ask your opinion on which would you buy out of these two -

TM HK 45 @ €189.99 or TM G19(3rd gen) @ €169.99

Products and prices sourced from a company within Southern Ireland.  It would also be helpful to me if ye know about a new release worth waiting for as this would be my first purchase and am in no real hurry ATM.
 

Appreciate your time.

 

[Nick G]

I tend to run WE pistols 'cos I like the metal slides and I enjoy tinkering with my guns (its one of the main parts of the hobby for me) I've got both a G18 and a P226, both have Maple Leaf hop rubbers, I keys and Crazy Jets . Both have gone from adequate to excellent in term so performance and range , the 226 is hands down my favourite pistol to use, ergonomically it suits me. Run on red gas all year round with no issues. I've also got a couple of 1911s , the MEU and the WW2 spec which I run with my STEN for a kind of SOE loadout. They are both Maple leaf'd and both decent but mag capacity isn't great but that is what it is. Personally I loath HIcappa's so a chunky 1911 with decent mags isn't an option . But yes anyone with a G17 / 18 put the Maple Leaf goodies in it !

 

[Zarrin]

I tend to run WE pistols 'cos I like the metal slides and I enjoy tinkering with my guns (its one of the main parts of the hobby for me) I've got both a G18 and a P226, both have Maple Leaf hop rubbers, I keys and Crazy Jets . Both have gone from adequate to excellent in term so performance and range , the 226 is hands down my favourite pistol to use, ergonomically it suits me. Run on red gas all year round with no issues. I've also got a couple of 1911s , the MEU and the WW2 spec which I run with my STEN for a kind of SOE loadout. They are both Maple leaf'd and both decent but mag capacity isn't great but that is what it is. Personally I loath HIcappa's so a chunky 1911 with decent mags isn't an option . But yes anyone with a G17 / 18 put the Maple Leaf goodies in it !

Yeah, I like WE pistols for the same reasons - also the fact that they are usually between the 100-120 quid range, and the crazy jet and maple leaf upgrades all together don't usually even hit 40 quid, and as you say make them perform really well. They also handle power up gas nicely. I find they need a bit of periodical maintenance.. silicon oil etc, but you should be carrying out those checks on all GBBs anyway.

TM HK 45 @ €189.99 or TM G19(3rd gen) @ €169.99

Well they are both TM so will give you good performance on green gas and I assume will perform relatively similarly in range, accuracy, consistency etc.

So the primary consideration for you should probably be what you like the look of more.

The HK45 mags take a few more rounds, mag prices seem to be similar. Maybe you want to check holster availability but both types should be readily available.

Also the HK has a hammer which you can cock/de-cock, the glock is based on a 'striker fired' design in the real steel meaning the hammer on the GBB is internal and cant be manually manipulated, so again that might play into what you like the feel of and how it operates.

My personal pref would be the HK on looks and ergonomics... actually the next pistol I have my eyes on is the VFC HK45CT.
 

 

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I tend to run WE pistols 'cos I like the metal slides and I enjoy tinkering with my guns (its one of the main parts of the hobby for me) I've got both a G18 and a P226, both have Maple Leaf hop rubbers, I keys and Crazy Jets . Both have gone from adequate to excellent in term so performance and range...

Maple Leaf parts do seem quite nice - I put a Maple Leaf hop & F-key in my M&P with an RA-Tech barrel (and outer barrel, but that's mainly for durability & improving its appearance), along with the tape modifications to tighten things up a bit and they definitely made a huge difference in range and accuracy compared to stock. I also got a Maple Leaf barrel+hop upgrade set for my G17 not long ago but it's likely going to be a while before I can properly test that due to the lockdown (I expect the results to be similar though).

Yeah, I like WE pistols for the same reasons - also the fact that they are usually between the 100-120 quid range, and the crazy jet and maple leaf upgrades all together don't usually even hit 40 quid, and as you say make them perform really well. They also handle power up gas nicely. I find they need a bit of periodical maintenance.. silicon oil etc, but you should be carrying out those checks on all GBBs anyway.

A bit of Abbey LT2 or similar on all of the metal-to-metal parts & silicone oil on the rest every so often depending on use works well... and as you say cleaning/re-lubing/general maintenance should be done regularly with all GBBs anyway. I also use Abbey sniper gas to reduce wetting of the hop & barrel with oil to maintain better consistency as well as provide a little extra power, but it does mean having to perform maintenance a bit more often.

 

[Noddy45]

I find this all so interesting - I had mentioned TM Pistols because I have read they are reliable and maintenance straight forward however reading the comments above about WE Pistols(€70 less than tm) which as mentioned by @Nick G  can be upgraded/tinkering I find interesting as I would like this aspect of the hobby. 
 

 

[Davegolf]

@Noddy45 TM HK45 all day long

 

[Dentonboy]

I find this all so interesting - I had mentioned TM Pistols because I have read they are reliable and maintenance straight forward however reading the comments above about WE Pistols(€70 less than tm) which as mentioned by @Nick G  can be upgraded/tinkering I find interesting as I would like this aspect of the hobby. 
 

WE Glocks are decent. I have a G19 and it was worth the £100.

WE 1911's are utter shite imho.

 

[Tackle]

WE 1911's are utter shite imho.

As are their Hi-Capa's, which I learnt the hard way, so as a brand they've lost my business ?

 

[Noddy45]

What do you guys think of the G&G GPM92 Pistol

 

[Heath]

Another vote for the TM FNX-45. The HK-45 is good, but it seems like there are some issues with the slide lock not working properly, and it looks like the design of it isn't the best.

The FNX-45 comes with a threaded barrel if you fancy getting a tracer unit, a red dot mount built into the slide, ambidextrous controls, decocker, has the TM 15mm BBU, and it uses 29rnd magazines. The performance of it is great, it's comfortable to hold, and it works with the Warrior Assault universal holster.

Plus they're pretty.

 

[heroshark]

 The HK-45 is good, but it seems like there are some issues with the slide lock not working properly, and it looks like the design of it isn't the best.

That's something I've never come across, or any of the other users I know. All the new model tm gbbps basically run the same slide stop design including the hk45.  Also to add the fnx has all the charm of a common house brick. Not to say the hk45 is any better as AP so well put it it looks like spider man spaffed up all over it. Both very much on par to each other in function with the hk45 tactical. This said I prefer the grip and look over the fnx but as with most things it's horses for courses. 

 

[Guest]

Plus they're pretty.

Look better in black than tan though

 

[Heath]

All the new model tm gbbps basically run the same slide stop design including the hk45. 

The FNX-45 uses a different setup to the HK-45 for some reason. Considering the FNX is newer, I'm not sure why they've moved away from the design seen on the HK.

On the HK it uses a lever to push up a removable metal plate which then contacts a metal frame separate to the slide.

On the FNX the slide release lever directly contacts a metal frame. This does mean that if it wears then you have to replace the slide catch instead of just unscrewing a metal plate, but the plate on the HK seems to be pretty soft and was wearing quickly on the gun I looked at.

Look better in black than tan though

True

 

[heroshark]

Ah right. My bad assumed it was the same as the system as they've use it a while. Never seen any functional issues with it tbh. I used to be well into my capas but after a few of my fellow players ran the hk45 flawlessly since it's release I bit the bullet a couple of years ago now. 

 

[emilianoksa]

Hi all,
 

May I please ask your opinion on which would you buy out of these two -

TM HK 45 @ €189.99 or TM G19(3rd gen) @ €169.99

Products and prices sourced from a company within Southern Ireland.  It would also be helpful to me if ye know about a new release worth waiting for as this would be my first purchase and am in no real hurry ATM.
 

Appreciate your time.

Bit of a strange choice.

They are both very good but so different in appearance. One is a hand canon and the other a compact.

Of the two I would probably go for the HK45. I do like Glocks though but prefer the bigger ones.

A more appropriate alternative to the HK45 might be the USP full size -  or maybe  the FNX45.