Which pistol should I get for starting off

[SuckMySock]

I've ran my pistol as a primary multiple game days on Nuprol 2.0 and it's still going strong.  

I've seen it mentioned that a CO2 pistol is a terrible idea for your first GBBP. 

Eh, CO2 requires little bit more maintenance, that's all. But if pistol can take both GG and CO2, then you can just fire off one GG mag after using CO2 and you are good to go. Of course, CO2 increases wear on the parts.

With that said, the slide of my TM Hi Capa survived roughly three weeks of target shooting, the area where slide catch locks the slide simply bent, not allowing slide to lock back.

 

[Tackle]

Can't help but think what's wrong with people who suggest TM for person who is thinking about either GG or CO2. 

Dude, he wants a first pistol, his Brother the Airsoft YouTube Expert (lol) is no help to him so he's come here for advice.

Bearing in mind that there's another "what pistols crap" style thread running currently, most members are trying to encourage him to buy something decent to start with, this will:

1. Give him a gun that works under most conditions

&

2 . Give him a baseline for future purchases as to what "should" be the norm in what to expect in quality & performance.

What no one wants to do is buy 7 boxes of shit before being told they fucked up.

(Like the other guy)

 

[M_P]

Can't help but think what's wrong with people who suggest TM for person who is thinking about either GG or CO2. 

Most TMs run just fine on green gas. The FN57 has well documented issues but the rest do just fine.

@OP, get a TM, anyone short of the 1911 due to the aforementioned low gas capacity

 

[Tackle]

Most TMs run just fine on green gas. The FN57 has well documented issues but the rest do just fine.

@OP, get a TM, anyone short of the 1911 due to the aforementioned low gas capacity

Agree, I run propane, essentially GG, all year in my TM's, with no problems.

If nothing else, buy a TM first, then if in a few months down the line you fancy other brands & models, fill yer boots, just don't sell the TM, you'll always go back to it?

 

[MAX DICKER]

For pretty much 10 years or so I've run all my TM's on Colemans propane. Zero issues.

 

[emilianoksa]

For performance and longevity you can't beat the newer generation 15mm bbu gbbps. Yes they may lack the interesting aftermarket parts and are more expensive but . They do last well, you don't have to replace much in terms of breakages (unless you are one of those players who are really unlucky and break everything in 2min) they are worth the extra. 

I know they have greater recoil and slide speed, but wouldn't that result in faster wear of parts?

In what way is longevity improved.? Are they made from better materials?

I'm not doubting you. Just asking.

For pretty much 10 years or so I've run all my TM's on Colemans propane. Zero issues.

I think TMs tend to work fine on higher powered gas in the UK simply because of our crappy weather.

 

[heroshark]

Things like the slide stop are better designed so it's not metal on plastic, often a complaint of earlier models. Metal support spreading the load at the front of the slide from the recoil/spring. Better design hop adjustment and arm. The general builds are less complex and parts that need to be metal are. 

 

[emilianoksa]

Thanks. I've just noticed in a video that the FNX45 appears to have a piece of metal running along the whole inner length of the frame. So I take your point.

 

[Cromulon1994]

You'd be better spending the money on a blank firing grenade first, it'll come in much more handy than a pistol. 

My list of priorities (for weaponry) would be:

1. Primary

2. Blank firing grenade

3. Backup primary, so if something goes wrong you can still carry on with your game day (like a spring trishot shotgun, cheap and maintenance free) 

4. Pistol

I'd recommend a dynatex dominator, over a trmr having owned both. 

Or spend a little more and get a timed but they both have their advantages. 

Although I really do appreciate the draw of spending a lump of money on a nice new gbb pistol over what is essentially a lump of metal and plastic. But my honest advice is they're indespensible.

 

[heroshark]

BFG is great in cqb not so much in woodland. In fact impacts on the most part will not go off on soft ground. Tbh depends how you like to run and the environment. Personally I run pistols only a lot ,depends on the site. Woodland I run a rifle but fibua and definitely cqb always pistols only. 

 

[TheFull9]

Things like the slide stop are better designed so it's not metal on plastic, often a complaint of earlier models. Metal support spreading the load at the front of the slide from the recoil/spring. Better design hop adjustment and arm. The general builds are less complex and parts that need to be metal are. 

Slight OT but do you know if this extends to the G19?  I've been back and forth on buying one since before they came out and I've seen some people say they're fine on propane as well as reports saying the exact opposite.  I know the old 17s weren't really up to it and to be honest it's only so I can have a skirmishable Glock as my 226 is all the pistol I could ever need for anything.

BFG is great in cqb not so much in woodland.

100%, close to money down the drain for someone who might only play woodland, I don't even bother carrying one in the woods.  Yeah sometimes it'll go off or you can find a hard surface but for the few times I use one in a day I'll just save the weight and have a couple of mk5s on my that'll go off anywhere at all.

 

[Tackle]

You'd be better spending the money on a blank firing grenade first, it'll come in much more handy than a pistol. 

Lol, I genuinely laughed at this bit, really, a single grenade more use than a pistol loaded with 20+ bb's ?, so for example, middle of a firefight your primary chokes, you'll reach for a grenade first ?.

How about when a site organiser says "right guys, the next game is pistols/single shot weapons only" , which I've seen many times, but never seen "guys, next games grenades only".....shall I go on ? 

Incidentally I've owned a timed dynatec for about 18yrs, but not used it for at least 3 years as it's been all woodland games, with the best will in the world it's too easy to lose, but I've not lost a pistol in 19yrs ?

 

[Cromulon1994]

Lol, I genuinely laughed at this bit, really, a single grenade more use than a pistol loaded with 20+ bb's ?, so for example, middle of a firefight your primary chokes, you'll reach for a grenade first ?.

How about when a site organiser says "right guys, the next game is pistols/single shot weapons only" , which I've seen many times, but never seen "guys, next games grenades only".....shall I go on ? 

Incidentally I've owned a timed dynatec for about 18yrs, but not used it for at least 3 years as it's been all woodland games, with the best will in the world it's too easy to lose, but I've not lost a pistol in 19yrs ?

Fair enough. Just my experience. Though I play pretty much exclusively cqb and fish, and haven't found myself in that postion for a long time

I have played for a while loading the first few shots into a midcap as reds and the rest greens, it's pretty foolproof. 

 

[Tackle]

have played for a while loading the first few shots into a midcap as reds and the rest greens, it's pretty foolproof. 

Yeah, I was literally referring to any malfunction etc, for example I had a 249 lock up on me, at the same time I lost my footing on a wooded hillside site, as I slid I dropped the 249 on its sling , pulled my pistol from a chest mounted serpa & got 3 kills, while still sliding, JW & JB would have bowed down to worship me it was that slick.

Obviously totally by accident of course, had a been trying to do it I'd have prob broken me ankle ?, & obviously a grenade would have done me no favours either.

I get that you've prioritised according to your site's & play style, but a pistol gives so many more options in general, as many have said it's almost their primary for some sites.

 

[emilianoksa]

Slight OT but do you know if this extends to the G19?  I've been back and forth on buying one since before they came out and I've seen some people say they're fine on propane as well as reports saying the exact opposite.  I know the old 17s weren't really up to it and to be honest it's only so I can have a skirmishable Glock as my 226 is all the pistol I could ever need for anything.

100%, close to money down the drain for someone who might only play woodland, I don't even bother carrying one in the woods.  Yeah sometimes it'll go off or you can find a hard surface but for the few times I use one in a day I'll just save the weight and have a couple of mk5s on my that'll go off anywhere at all.

Would that be a TM Sig 226?

 

[heroshark]

Slight OT but do you know if this extends to the G19?  I've been back and forth on buying one since before they came out and I've seen some people say they're fine on propane as well as reports saying the exact opposite.  I know the old 17s weren't really up to it and to be honest it's only so I can have a skirmishable Glock as my 226 is all the pistol I could ever need for anything.

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[Airsoft-lunatic]

Thanks guys anyone else have any suggestions on what pistol I should buy ??????

 

[heroshark]

Mk23 nbb is a great woodland gun. I tend not to bring mine out for cqb unless it's a site with some rangy areas. Woodland it's my long range gun and have an upper running 400 fps and my 416c is my sub 350fps gun. It is a different kettle of fish to a gbb. Much slower/long trigger pull, but I find it an essential tool. 

 

[Musica]

Mk23 nbb is a great woodland gun. I tend not to bring mine out for cqb unless it's a site with some rangy areas. Woodland it's my long range gun and have an upper running 400 fps and my 416c is my sub 350fps gun. It is a different kettle of fish to a gbb. Much slower/long trigger pull, but I find it an essential tool. 

interesting some sites near me wouldn't allow that only bolt actions allowed over 350. I think it's so marshals can easily police MED without having to think about pistols being above MED.

 

[TheFull9]

Would that be a TM Sig 226?

Yeah the E2, I've got an R as well but the E2 is a nice update/upgrade, which is saying something since the original is already a top class skirmisher.

I think the best possible GBB sidearms would be (from TM) the 226E2, M9A1, HK45, M&P, FNX-45 and 4.3/5.1, whichever the gentleman prefers the look of.  Probably the USP as well but I know zero about that one.