Rogerborg
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Agreed, it's astonishing that the professional fun-sponges in Holyrood haven't noticed us enjoying ourselves and put a stop to our nonsense.
US - Airsoft under threat?
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Agreed, it's astonishing that the professional fun-sponges in Holyrood haven't noticed us enjoying ourselves and put a stop to our nonsense.
As I said a few posts back they tried that with air cartridge guns and most went underground. How many airsoft guns are owned in the U.K. I wonder, many millions I guess, and how many would be handed in for no compensation.
When the VCRA bill first came in those people who already owned RIF’s kept them. They might stop people buying more guns, but trying to force people to give up legally purchased property ? Good luck with that.
Dan Robinson
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I feel a Charlton Heston quote coming on LOL
Ebeneezer Goode
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I'm not sure our esteemed politicians give a flying fornication regarding that. Politics is politics, and faced with hysterical mania its a bandwagon our Internationalist, Interventionist, spend-thrift tax thieves will be all too willing to jump on to virtue-signal and show their peers how they "faced up to" "danger" and "took action". Meanwhile large numbers of perfectly innocent citizens minding their own business have yet another thing taken away from them, and the descent from liberty to totalitarianism quickens.
Oops sorry for the rant. Forgot this was AFUK not Guido Fawkes.
Shamal
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Exactly what I've been saying for years.
When the alert sounds you will comply.?
Ebeneezer Goode
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Aye, same shite, different name. Covid, Climate Change, you name it, bandwagon jumped on, hysteria abounds and we all get shafted.
Oops sorry went off on one again. I'll stop now. I promise. *twitch twitch*
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The conversation becomes even more interesting when we start counting crimes like rape. Australia is No. 2 in the world! Sweden is on the top ten!
I was in Italy recently, and the rate of robbery, (not counting burglary or thievery) is absolutely massive, especially in certain cities. Naples has an unemployment rate of over 30% right now.
You could call me a culture tourist—I genuinely enjoy seeing other people’s ways of life and perspectives on things. ? I actually do have a passport—I’m almost to a dozen countries—so I spend quite a bit of time immersed in other cultures.
Nah, not strange that you don’t enjoy real guns. I’m way more of an airsoft nut than I am a real-steel nut.
Fair enough—Cold War is a bad example. The point I was trying to make is that us and our police shouldn’t be using knives in hopes that the criminals will use knives as well. Putting yourself at the mercy of a bad guy in hopes he backs up and does the same for you is just stupid.
Knives are cheaper, yes, but at least in the USA, a basic rifle or handgun is so cheap pretty much anyone can afford one. A basic rifle can be purchased for less than $100 new, and a basic handgun can be around $100 as well. Private sales can be any price, of course.
Two words: threat bubble. Knives have an extremely small threat bubble. It’s also much harder to kill or even hurt someone with a knife than a gun, assuming that is the intent.
Imagine any robber trying a bank without a gun… (most are caught, but that doesn’t mean they don’t try)
In recent times, there was a knifing at a local school. The perpetrator only injured one victim, despite intent to hurt more. Why? Because a knife is a thousand times less effective of a weapon than a gun.
I repeat; firearms are an equalizer. My 80 year old grandmother can shoot someone dead just as well as a highly trained cop, or a a gang boss. Who’s going to win in the knife fight? (Hmm, maybe not quite as well, but you get the picture ?)
My grandfather was a cop for 25 years. He was in gunfights, shot multiple times, was called in for mass shootings, shot criminals, crashed his motorcycle in the middle of a car chase, and was known to the end of his life as “that old guy who always carries three pistols”.
Most people are not, and will never have to be my grandfather, encountering threats to his life and the lives of others on a common basis.
But as the saying goes: “He who packeth heat be a fool all the days but one.”
I found an interesting report from the American FBI that states that in 2019 armed American citizens killed 386 felons during the perpetration of their crimes vs. 340 from the police. This does not include any self-defense shootings, or shootings that weren’t fatal.
https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/topic-pages/expanded-homicide
I first found this page from various media outlets, but I dug up the original report for sale of veracity—if anyone sees anything misleading about the way these numbers are presented, you should let everyone know!
In short, it’s not “an exception” for citizens to make use of their firearms in lawful manners. Heck, this report didn’t include anything that was for self-defense, only the stopping of felons (murder, rape, arson, etc).
I don’t know the faces behind the avatars, but I’m assuming it’s mostly men on here. In almost all cases, women aren’t capable of overpowering men by physical strength. If you take away weapons, you reduce the fight down to pure physical strength and skill. Who wins in those cases? Note the extremely high rape numbers for Australia…
Better yet, ask yourself what you’d like your mother, wife, sister, or daughter to carry in potentially dangerous situations.
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Very unlikely in the UK; totalitarianism does not tend to happen in countries that do not take their politicians seriously and which recognise them for the incompetent, greedy, egomaniacal bastards that most of them are.
We take the piss out of our politicians far too much for anyone to get into a position where they can create a totalitarian regime; Mosley was probably the biggest internal threat to our democracy in modern times and he failed in part because he was widely lampooned and derided, but mainly because we do not really 'do' totalitarianism.
As for Covid, the response to that was probably basically correct, albeit with several mistakes, acts of stupidity (eat out to help out) and utter corruption and cronyism from the ruling party.
Unfortunately, climate change is a real thing, regardless of whether individuals "believe" in it; we really do have to change the way we behave if we want to leave the planet in a reasonable state for future generations.
As to whether they are going to "come for our guns" at some point, I suspect that they probably will eventually. I have always been somewhat surprised that owning RIFs is so easily tolerated in the UK and will be somewhat disappointed but not particularly surprised when they do.
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If we get a Labour government next then I do fear all shooting disciplines will have more trouble, I would think that what are toys legally will be far down the list.
Most of the RIF’s we use in airsoft or also available as .177 airguns don’t forget, so you couldn’t ban one without the other being affected.
Shotguns after Plymouth will face more restrictions I am sure, after all it can’t be the police’s fault that they gave back a seized shotgun to a very sick individual to go out and murder with.
At the moment it’s proving very difficult to obtain primers, powders for home -loading ammunition and buying factory ammo even .22 is difficult around my area.
Even the NSRA shop at Bisley had little in the way of lead pellets or .22 ammo last weekend. No shops can seem to offer an explanation as to why things are in such short supply, and when you can find them they are often 30% to 40% more expensive.
A ban by the back door perhaps. Maybe we will find that shops can’t get hold of gas or bb’s sometime in the future.
Most of the RIF’s we use in airsoft or also available as .177 airguns don’t forget, so you couldn’t ban one without the other being affected.
Shotguns after Plymouth will face more restrictions I am sure, after all it can’t be the police’s fault that they gave back a seized shotgun to a very sick individual to go out and murder with.
At the moment it’s proving very difficult to obtain primers, powders for home -loading ammunition and buying factory ammo even .22 is difficult around my area.
Even the NSRA shop at Bisley had little in the way of lead pellets or .22 ammo last weekend. No shops can seem to offer an explanation as to why things are in such short supply, and when you can find them they are often 30% to 40% more expensive.
A ban by the back door perhaps. Maybe we will find that shops can’t get hold of gas or bb’s sometime in the future.
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Cannonfodder
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How many of those robberies involved a threat of violence compared to bag snatches or pick pockets? Every time I've traveled to continental Europe they were the biggest risk. What was it which made you feel unsafe in these cities?
That's a straw man argument
I think staff and students of Osaka Kyoiku University would disagree (8 dead, 20 wounded in a knife attack)
What do you think should be done to reduce the number of mass shootings in the US?
This. Anyone trying to convince you otherwise is either deliberately trying to deceive you, don't understand the science or both
Pupa2794
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@Cannonfodderit's just an anecdote but last week me and the Mrs took a motorbike through Europe.
We had an attempted bike jacking/robbery in Brussels outside our hotel by a gang of morrocans (the police chatted with us afterwords) with a machete very much involved.
We were exceptionally lucky that Belgian plain clothes police were there, and were armed, and don't fuck around.
We had an attempted bike jacking/robbery in Brussels outside our hotel by a gang of morrocans (the police chatted with us afterwords) with a machete very much involved.
We were exceptionally lucky that Belgian plain clothes police were there, and were armed, and don't fuck around.
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Glad you guys were OK, wasn't sure what emoji was suitable. Watchya riding that there were ready to chop you up for ?
(to be fair, half the "third world" emigrees would chop bits off for the price of a mid range mobile phone?)
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A 25 year old suzuki TL1000S.
Not the ideal machine to be riding a couple of thousand miles 2 up. Worth 2 grand.
Tbf the policeman that I spoke to the most said this particular lot will stab first and ask questions later.
Gemma was upset but we went to Ghent and had 2 nights there instead of 1 in a cabin in some woods and it was a blessing in disguise. Ghent is a beautiful, lovely friendly place.
Not the ideal machine to be riding a couple of thousand miles 2 up. Worth 2 grand.
Tbf the policeman that I spoke to the most said this particular lot will stab first and ask questions later.
Gemma was upset but we went to Ghent and had 2 nights there instead of 1 in a cabin in some woods and it was a blessing in disguise. Ghent is a beautiful, lovely friendly place.
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Maybe things happen for a reason, things worked out OK in the end thankfully.
Although if they had got it away, they wouldn't have got far on it, the didn't used to call the TL the widow maker for nothing lol, I'm guessing yours has the steering damper on it.
What colour is it, yellow, red or black.......?
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Bloody hell! The wonders of enrichment. Thankfully, you were both ok.
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Pupa2794
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@TackleI removed the steering damper.
It had got 1000 quids worth of bitubo rear shock which solves the issue. Really don't need a steering damper with a proper shock.
Naff bike to ride slowly or round town, loads of fun, and far too easy, to do silly speeds.
I got rid on my return and bought something a bit more me.
Anyway, I won't hijack this further, to summarise in the game of morrocan crime gang glock paper scissors, glock won.
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It had got 1000 quids worth of bitubo rear shock which solves the issue. Really don't need a steering damper with a proper shock.
Naff bike to ride slowly or round town, loads of fun, and far too easy, to do silly speeds.
I got rid on my return and bought something a bit more me.
Anyway, I won't hijack this further, to summarise in the game of morrocan crime gang glock paper scissors, glock won.
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Nice ride, and thank the Lord you are OK.
Cannonfodder
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Glad to hear you're both ok
Dan Robinson
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Glad you're both safe!!!
Shall we start a motorbike appreciation thread to go alongside the Family History one? LOL
Brother inherited this and doesn't ride bike's - said I could have it but SWMBO put the kibosh on it...
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He also had these:
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Had a very happy summer getting them "ready" for selling.
Honda hadn't been run for nearly 15 years - started on the third try - once I remembered to turn the fecking fuel on.
I stand to inherit an AJS 550 - as long as the old man rebuilds it before he goes.
Shall we start a motorbike appreciation thread to go alongside the Family History one? LOL
Brother inherited this and doesn't ride bike's - said I could have it but SWMBO put the kibosh on it...
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He also had these:
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Had a very happy summer getting them "ready" for selling.
Honda hadn't been run for nearly 15 years - started on the third try - once I remembered to turn the fecking fuel on.
I stand to inherit an AJS 550 - as long as the old man rebuilds it before he goes.
