TRMR Stolen.

[Shamal]

Doubt it's a right that can be revoked simply. 

Personally I wouldn't have a problem having my gear searched if asked nicely,  but you'd be doing very well to stop me from leaving when I deemed it time to go.

Likewise.

 

[Emergencychimps]

Was that a Gunman site by any chance?  I seem to recall hearing that in the briefings at Tuddenham.  

Yes and it was tuddenham. Dropped into the middle of building 5, found on a barrel between buildings 3 and 4. 

Personally I wouldn't have a problem having my gear searched if asked nicely,  but you'd be doing very well to stop me from leaving when I deemed it time to go.

I would have a problem with it. Nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide was an approach used by the Nazis and pretty much every oppressive state since then to put more and more monitoring (spying), It's a slippery slope. 

I like the guy who used an airtag on his pyro. 

 

[Dan Robinson]

Nothing to fear if you have nothing to hide was an approach used by the Nazis and pretty much every oppressive state

Hence my qualifier "ask nicely".  Be a tw@t and you'll be treated accordingly. 

It's a horrible balance to find,  but ultimately social responsibility goes both ways.

 

[Cannonfodder]

Nazis

Goodwin's law

Hence my qualifier "ask nicely".  Be a tw@t and you'll be treated accordingly. 

It's a horrible balance to find,  but ultimately social responsibility goes both ways.

Agreed. To many people nowadays think they can treat others like shit and then get all upset when they get the same treatment back. I'm willing to bet that those complaining or refusing wouldn't have the same attitude if it was their property that was nicked

This reminds me of an incident many years ago at electrowerkz. Part way through the evening a player realised his wallet had gone walkies. Staff were informed and as it happened a few of the regulars were serving police officers. An announcement was made about what had happened, that nobody would be leaving and unless the wallet turned up they would start searches of kit and people. Fortunately said wallet did turn up and games started up again.

 

[Rogerborg]

nobody would be leaving

Under threat of what action?

Under those circumstances I'd be happy to be searched - I might even volunteer for it to set an example - but I'm leaving when I'm leaving. My liberty is worth more than your property.

 

[Cannonfodder]

Under threat of what action?

Under those circumstances I'd be happy to be searched - I might even volunteer for it to set an example - but I'm leaving when I'm leaving. My liberty is worth more than your property.

No idea, I didn't ask. However wanting to leave then would probably raise suspicions, whether or not that would be enough to detain someone I don't know.

A few of us did volunteer. For me it was simply a case of getting it out of the way to get games started again quicker

How would you feel if it was your property stolen?

 

[rj1986]

Alternatively, someone trying to be helpful had moved it to where they thought it would be easy to find.

As another example of decent site running, the Depot 1.0 exhorted people not to do this, because folk will look for them on the ground where they threw them, not at eye level somewhere else.

Yeah i site i used to play at that closed specially mentioned never to touch them - 1 for safety (could be a delayed timer or hang fire) and 2 if i've thrown it into a room, i go into said room looking for where i threw it.

 

[Shamal]

Goodwin's law

Agreed. To many people nowadays think they can treat others like shit and then get all upset when they get the same treatment back. I'm willing to bet that those complaining or refusing wouldn't have the same attitude if it was their property that was nicked

This reminds me of an incident many years ago at electrowerkz. Part way through the evening a player realised his wallet had gone walkies. Staff were informed and as it happened a few of the regulars were serving police officers. An announcement was made about what had happened, that nobody would be leaving and unless the wallet turned up they would start searches of kit and people. Fortunately said wallet did turn up and games started up again.

Yep same thing happened once at the prison in old Pompey.£20 went missing.

Boss man made the announcement that if it was returned all's well. It was returned. I vocalised that if the person that took it was known,then he/she should not be welcomed back.I recall that that opinion was met with mixed murmers.

We invest a lot of money in gear and then just go off and leave it.

Airsoft is built on trust and honesty and I for one would like it to stay that way.?

Regards 

 

[Colin Allen]

Yep same thing happened once at the prison in old Pompey.£20 went missing.

Boss man made the announcement that if it was returned all's well. It was returned. I vocalised that if the person that took it was known,then he/she should not be welcomed back.I recall that that opinion was met with mixed murmers.

We invest a lot of money in gear and then just go off and leave it.

Airsoft is built on trust and honesty and I for one would like it to stay that way.?

Regards 

Damn right; anyone who has stolen from other players should not be welcome at any site.

I don't know if it still exists, but there used to be a FB group where site owners/managers shared details of the more problematic players, who tended to find themselves unwelcome wherever they tried to go.

 

[Rogerborg]

How would you feel if it was your property stolen?

Saaaad. ?

If you're reaching for "... so wouldn't you want everyone lined up and strip searched?" then no. I'm prepared to accept a certain amount of risk on the understanding that humans are awful, and airsofters are a subset of humans.

 

[EDcase]

I agree with searches when things go missing.  Its an unfortunate necessity to deal with assholes who usually get away with it.  

The good thing is that if a site had the reputation of searches when things go missing, I bet that site would have fewer incidents.

 

[Rogerborg]

Damn right; anyone who has stolen from other players should not be welcome at any site.

My assumption is that thefts are predominantly carried out by rentals or one-and-done visitors to a site.  And further, that they'll already be off site, or have secreted the gear somewhere, by the time "missing" resolves into "stolen", and a search is announced.

I could very well be wrong, but has anyone ever seen a search actually turn up stolen gear on the person, or in the bag, of a thief?  If so, what followed?

 

[Cannonfodder]

Personally in the unfortunate event of something going walkies I'd like sites to at least try to help, rather than shrug their shoulders and so their best impression of BSM Williams 

 

[gavinkempsell]

My assumption is that thefts are predominantly carried out by rentals or one-and-done visitors to a site.

Why?

I've worked in retail for nearly 40 years & 'friends, colleagues & customers' get caught stealing.

in other words, anyone is capable of theft, but not everyone will.

 

[Davet]

No idea, I didn't ask. However wanting to leave then would probably raise suspicions, whether or not that would be enough to detain someone I don't know.

A few of us did volunteer. For me it was simply a case of getting it out of the way to get games started again quicker

I imagine, if there were (off-duty) police officers present, they could probably utilise their Stop/Search powers under s1 of PACE.

 

[Tackle]

Bit of a grey area, I believe pace can only be applied by officers "on" duty, and/or, following an official report of a crime. 

That said, the only people to object usually would be:

A. YouTube auditors

B. GenZ snowflakes 

C. CRIMINAL CNUTS

All of the above deserve internal cavity searches, ideally by someone with hands like Pat Jennings ?

 

[Gryph]

I imagine, if there were (off-duty) police officers present, they could probably utilise their Stop/Search powers under s1 of PACE.

Absolutely could, yeah

 

[Davet]

Bit of a grey area, I believe pace can only be applied by officers "on" duty, and/or, following an official report of a crime. 

Never truly off duty, there’s a legal obligation under Police Regs. PACE s1 can be applied anytime as long as there’s a suspicion somebody may have/be about to commit an offence - see all the media outrage over use of S&S by the Met Police…!

 

[Tackle]

Never truly off duty, there’s a legal obligation under Police Regs. PACE s1 can be applied anytime as long as there’s a suspicion somebody may have/be about to commit an offence - see all the media outrage over use of S&S by the Met Police…!

That's been a bone of contention for decades, literally going back to the "sus laws", that were eventually outlawed (but not really lol). 

 

[hunter511]

Yeah the job guys at the Werkz were fairly involved in dealing with thefts and general fuckery as I recall. IIRC a few of them.were SO19 and the standing 'agreement' was if you were post chrono found playing with a hot gun your choices were "leave, now" or "your kit will be confiscated by someone with a warrant card and go to the ballistics lab for testing".

I do remember one of them on the phone to the BTP after someone got mughed on the way there and the BTP were more worried about the fact he had a couple of airsoft guns in a bag than the scrote that pulled a knife on him...... that was an interesting phone call to hear.

Either way 1) I do miss the Werkz. 2) As far as Im concerned as soon as stuff goes missing the site should take steps. I was there when the guys at combat south urban locked the doors and went straight to 'either the missing BFG appears or the door stays locked'. Oddly it was found...... about 200 metres and several solid walls from were it went missing.

As Ive mentioned on here before (having had a dynatex vanish from the one really well lit and hole free part of The Mall) the one thing that really grips my shit with sites is when the approach taken by staff to items dissappearing is "meh' it'll turn up" or similar.