TM NGRS is it worth it?

[E21A]

Yeh that's what I mean, other guns need upgrading generally to level with a stock TM in that department

Yea, I mean there are other standard guns that match TM performance and outclass them in other ways, and cost less to boot. 

 

[hunter511]

11 hours ago, Musica said:

I think the upgrade culture popular youtubers have created make peoples perception warped to think they NEED upgraded as they don't even use them before getting tipple the price of the gun in parts put in.  

Incidently if you aren't aware that TM A) supply .25s and B) TM BB's are about the best available you PROBABLY shouldn't be reviewing airsoft kit.......

Plus MtM is an absolute thunderc**t. But yeah, I don't get the whole Uber-upgrade before playing mentality. 

 

[Lozart]

 But yeah, I don't get the whole Uber-upgrade before playing mentality. 

I think a lot of that comes from the US, their fields often have much higher FPS limits than we do so the performance shortfall is a lot more noticeable for them. When I was looking at the G&G SCAR most of the negative reviews were from people trying to upgrade it to 400+ FPS for use in the US, the positive ones were from people happy to use it out of the box.

 

[Musica]

I think a lot of that comes from the US, their fields often have much higher FPS limits than we do so the performance shortfall is a lot more noticeable for them. When I was looking at the G&G SCAR most of the negative reviews were from people trying to upgrade it to 400+ FPS for use in the US, the positive ones were from people happy to use it out of the box.

I agree on that 400fps vs 300fps is pretty significant and probably why things like Krytac are king in the US not TMs. 

 

[PureSilver]

Other brands are just as good as firing bbs at people but TM are one of a few manufacturers that offer a feature set (EBB, Stop on empty and a cycling bolt).

This is pretty much it. If you want to have interactive features that should have been on other AEGs decades ago, you choose between a PTW ($2.4k plus $145 magazines if you want recoil), ERGs (nice, but flawed in a lot of ways NGRSs aren't), and Recoil Shocks. If you don't care about recoil you could add the regular PTWs (£1k+, haven't advanced in a decade), the Scorpion EVO3A1 (excellent gun, though no recoil) and the VFC MP7A1 ~AEG (like the Scorpion, but the price of an NGRS). If you don't care about any of those features, then it's probably not going to be worth the money to you - if you're complaining about having to buy a few new magazines it's a good sign your priorities don't really align...

The real alternatives to Recoil Shocks - recoil, interactivity, trademarks and good externals - are really higher-end GBBRs, not other AEGs. Sure, the performance and build quality of a basic M4 AEG can be comparable to an NGRS, but it's also a straight clone of a gun that came out the same year as the original PlayStation. A GHK is price-comparable to a SOPMOD, but with magazines that are triple the price, half the capacity but 10-20x as expensive to fill, and very sensitive to temperature changes. The GHK gets far more recoil, the Recoil Shock gets far more reliable operation. For me it was totally worth the cost - I couldn't get that combination of features anywhere else.

Incidently if you aren't aware that TM A) supply .25s and B) TM BB's are about the best available you PROBABLY shouldn't be reviewing airsoft kit...

There are about 200 reasons not to buy a Recoil Shock over something like an Avalon, but that video is still complete wank.

I'm not 100% but from what I've gleaned a stock erg does not have the reliability or longevity of a stock TM.

The ERGs have issues of their own - the AKs (just like the TMs) are a typically naff Japanese design, rather than the far more modern VFC style, with aluminium externals. The M4s are actually pretty good - I'd recommend them to Americans (who want 400FPS easily), and to people who want to use regular magazines without an adaptor. Both suffer a serious lack of aftermarket support which means the upgrades you can do to tailor a TM to what you want it to do (e.g. DMR roles) or to add new features (e.g. precocking) aren't possible.

 

[Musica]

This is pretty much it. If you want to have interactive features that should have been on other AEGs decades ago, you choose between a PTW ($2.4k plus $145 magazines if you want recoil), ERGs (nice, but flawed in a lot of ways NGRSs aren't), and Recoil Shocks. If you don't care about recoil you could add the regular PTWs (£1k+, haven't advanced in a decade), the Scorpion EVO3A1 (excellent gun, though no recoil) and the VFC MP7A1 ~AEG (like the Scorpion, but the price of an NGRS)

hello ding ding ding scoprion user here for that exact logic. ( I can see people's login of the evo looking a bit ugly those plastics rails up front are an eye sore)

Don't discount G&G G2 gearboxs they now sell 2 556 M4s with stop on empty and 2 308 style m4s. 

 

[E21A]

hello ding ding ding scoprion user here for that exact logic. 

Don't discount G&G G2 gearboxs they now sell 2 556 M4s with stop on empty and 2 308 style m4s. 

Yea, the stop on empty is pretty unreliable on them in my experience 

 

[Musica]

Yea, the stop on empty is pretty unreliable on them in my experience 

Really I was thinking to get one to join the m4 club.

 

[E21A]

Really I was thinking to get one to join the m4 club.

Its only based on a sample of 1 (my own, a 308) but from time to time you get a couple of dry fires before it stops. I think they’re worth it for the other improvements, mine shoots lovely otb

 

[Musica]

Its only based on a sample of 1 (my own, a 308) but from time to time you get a couple of dry fires before it stops. I think they’re worth it for the other improvements, mine shoots lovely otb

Good to know I will do more research I was looking at the Knights Armament SR30 as I like to keep my kit short. 

 

[Spartan873]

I've had a whole bunch of AEGs, (G&G, VFC, LCT, E&L and a few others) and none of them perform like my 417 does out the box. Admittedly, they are pricey and in hindsight I'd probably reconsider my particular choice and go for the M4 but you definitely get what you pay for with a TM NGRS - AEG experience and OTB performance that no other ERG (and very few AEG) manufacturers can touch.

I know it makes me sound like an elitist jerk when I say this but normal AEGs don't quite cut the mustard anymore for me.

 

[Dentonboy]

I've had a whole bunch of AEGs, (G&G, VFC, LCT, E&L and a few others) and none of them perform like my 417 does out the box. Admittedly, they are pricey and in hindsight I'd probably reconsider my particular choice and go for the M4 but you definitely get what you pay for with a TM NGRS - AEG experience and OTB performance that no other ERG (and very few AEG) manufacturers can touch.

I know it makes me sound like an elitist jerk when I say this but normal AEGs don't quite cut the mustard anymore for me.

Absolutely spot on. My TM 416C has even overtaken my TM MWS in usage. Just so fun.