TM HK 416D

[ImTriggerHappy]

How's the market dominance/share of TM in Japan?

Haven't got scooby but I would guess that its quite high. The japanese are very brand loyal.All manufacturers should put a bit more effort into build quality and materials.

No Aeg should ever need shimming or aoe correction thats just lazy design and poor manufacture.

 

[Sacarathe]

Haven't got scooby but I would guess that its quite high. The japanese are very brand loyal.

All manufacturers should put a bit more effort into build quality and materials.

No Aeg should ever need shimming or aoe correction thats just lazy design and poor manufacture.

I recall a comment someone made about TM not exporting, and all those that escape the country are exported at the wholesaler level, that is to say that TM may innovate on the pulse of Japan, meaning that loyalty could lead to Japan being years behind the rest of the world, in time.

 

[Alex34]

VFC are taking marketing advice from Sky now?

Looks like another market has opened for you lot handy with a spray gun and stencil... problem solved.

 

[jcheeseright]

Haven't got scooby but I would guess that its quite high. The japanese are very brand loyal.

All manufacturers should put a bit more effort into build quality and materials.

No Aeg should ever need shimming or aoe correction thats just lazy design and poor manufacture.

Not one TM gun I've ever owned has required any corrective maintenance out of the box and I've owned a LOT of them.

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

Not one TM gun I've ever owned has required any corrective maintenance out of the box and I've owned a LOT of them.

Never said a TM does if you read what I said, I said all manufacturers need to improve. TM guns are assembled pretty well not perfect but better than a lot.The problem with TM is that if you want to get anymore out of them it can be problematic. A lot of the components are poor material quality so if you start going for higher fps or rof you have to change things or they have a habit of failing. Out of the box is fine if all you want is a gun firing 290fps and average trigger response. But a lot of guns are starting to out perform them off the shelf and have better build quality and are still trying to improve. TM are in danger of being left behind and that would be a shame.

 

[Randymanpipe]

Well iv got two, and both don't like being shot on semi auto too much. They lock up after a while. Iv been told that the spectre fixes this issue but its a bit much to charge £400+ for a gun that has known common fault and then I have to plough more hundreds into it to get it to work consistently.

 

[MrMcG]

Well iv got two, and both don't like being shot on semi auto too much. They lock up after a while. Iv been told that the spectre fixes this issue but its a bit much to charge £400+ for a gun that has known common fault and then I have to plough more hundreds into it to get it to work consistently.

That's surprising I ran the scar for ages on semi and didn't have an issue but was running a 9.9v life battery.

But your right if it locks up and for the price they charge for them to have to add another 100+ part is a bit nutty

 

[Alex34]

Well iv got two, and both don't like being shot on semi auto too much. They lock up after a while. Iv been told that the spectre fixes this issue but its a bit much to charge £400+ for a gun that has known common fault and then I have to plough more hundreds into it to get it to work consistently.

Which two do you have?

I never had any locking up issues before the spectre and I used them a lot on semi at Bunker 51 which is like a constant fire fight.

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

Well iv got two, and both don't like being shot on semi auto too much. They lock up after a while. Iv been told that the spectre fixes this issue but its a bit much to charge £400+ for a gun that has known common fault and then I have to plough more hundreds into it to get it to work consistently.

To be fair all AEG'S have this issue to some extent. You dont need to spend a £100 to stop it a basic ab fet will sort it. The spectre costs so much because there is a lot more to it.

 

[Jedi_Master]

I am still running my 416D as stock, 290 fps, with 7.4v LiPo battery and Deans, no issues with it but then I do not use full atuo that often or on extended bursts. Naturally I would like more range (the unrealistic dream of an extra 20-30m, same chance as winning the lottery) but the current set-up works well enough and I feel changes could upset the component balance for only gaining a slightly higher fps.

 

[Randymanpipe]

My scar stops loads my 416 not so much. So if I was to fit some sort of mosfet it would have to go in the scar for sure. But mine is also running around 290 as stock inside.

 

[Alex34]

My scar stops loads my 416 not so much. So if I was to fit some sort of mosfet it would have to go in the scar for sure. But mine is also running around 290 as stock inside.

You do outdoor skirmishes mostly don't you? Think it could be dirt and debris causing it?

 

[jcheeseright]

No, dirt and debris can't get inside the gearbox.

 

[Randymanpipe]

Ah cheesey,

I believe you know of this problem which I speak of! I'm sure iv searched for this before and found a few replies from you and others?

 

[Lozart]

To be fair all AEG'S have this issue to some extent.

You dont need to spend a £100 to stop it a basic ab fet will sort it. The spectre costs so much because there is a lot more to it.

This.

Lockups on semi is a very well known and much documented issue which lies with a basic design flaw in the V2 gearbox. It's a shame that the so called TM "Next Gen" gearboxes don't seem to have addressed this but there you go.

As Trig says, you don't HAVE to fit a BTC FET to sort this out, even the £10 fets that SD loves so much will help (although a more expensive one with full cycle completion IS still a better option).

 

[Alex34]

This.

Lockups on semi is a very well known and much documented issue which lies with a basic design flaw in the V2 gearbox. It's a shame that the so called TM "Next Gen" gearboxes don't seem to have addressed this but there you go.

As Trig says, you don't HAVE to fit a BTC FET to sort this out, even the £10 fets that SD loves so much will help (although a more expensive one with full cycle completion IS still a better option).

So is the flaw to do with the trigger mechanism?

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

So is the flaw to do with the trigger mechanism?

Its a combination of bad design and poor trigger discipline.Put simply.

If you release the trigger at just the right point so it doesn't supply the full current the gearbox doesn't cycle properly and ends up off time. The cut off lever stays in the locked position and prevents the trigger from activating. When you put the gun in to full auto to unlock the box that allows the cut off lever to return to its normal position as its not used in full auto.

So you have two choices either fit a mosfet with cycle completion or pull the trigger properly.

This can get worse as trigger contacts get old because as they carbon up the power flow gets less so it increases the chance of this happening. Which is probably why RMP has it worse on the scar than the 416.