THE TM MWS thread

[Mr. No_Face]

If the charging handle causes the BCG to bind what i described above will happen.

The nozzle looks to have sheared around the larger diameter portion of the nozzle (behind the rocket valve)

Regardless trying to hypothesize something that happened in a nano second is a waste of time really.

Put the gun COMPLETELY back to stock, fit a complete new TM or GM nozzle.

Check everything moves and functions independently as it should.

Half fill a mag with weak sauce gas and test it.

I'm gonna do exactly what you said, bite the bullet and buy yet another nozzle. Spend more money on gas (this time low pressured) and revert this completely back to stock basically (reinstall the stock charging handle.)

If this does not work. You guys will be able to find a new TM MWS GBBR in the adverts section of this forum.

Exactly what @Davegolf, and everybody else has said.

Put it back to standard. Test it properly after a thorough check

Bite the bullet and admit you’ve messed up something or you’ll never get it fixed.

Personal growth is  wonderful thing

How does "admitting I messed up" change the outcome of this situation? My only complaint has always been about the delicate internals being dissected with every gas blast. Yes I still think the internals are shite and am still in utter disbelief that a 500 pound gun's internals could be sheared away like nothing, regardless of the cause of the problem

 

[Davegolf]

"magazines are not made of nozzle plastic because they are not intended to store the full pressure of the gas, just transport it. "

Hopefully you get to the bottom of it, as with most problemsits normally something simple.

 

[Guest]

Hopefully you get to the bottom of it, as with most problemsits normally something simple

?????

 

[Mr. No_Face]

"magazines are not made of nozzle plastic because they are not intended to store the full pressure of the gas, just transport it. "

You've said this twice now and I don't know why?

"But really the standard nozzle (and all internals) are capable of withstanding all airsoft gas types provided you have the correct buffer spring and a HSB installe dto handle the cycle speeds"

So which is it? Built to withstand or built not to withstand?

 

[Davegolf]

I repeated myself beacuase you repeated this: "am still in utter disbelief that a 500 pound gun's internals could be sheared away like nothing"

If you release energy in any form in a closed space with no way of dissipating shit blows up - simple.

The standard parts handle it fine - when everything works properly ?

 

[C-Diddy]

You've said this twice now and I don't know why?

So which is it? Built to withstand or built not to withstand?

Read what @Davegolfsaid; mags are made with different plastic that can cope with the pressure of the gas. Your nozzle isn't. The fault, whatever it is, caused the nozzle to momentarily store the gas under pressure, and, because it's not designed to do that, it shit itself.

Everyone's trying to help and can understand your frustration. Sounds like you're willing to give it, literally, another shot when it's reset to absolutely stock. I do hope it works out for you pal, I really do. 

 

[Mr. No_Face]

Read what @Davegolfsaid; mags are made with different plastic that can cope with the pressure of the gas. Your nozzle isn't. The fault, whatever it is, caused the nozzle to momentarily store the gas under pressure, and, because it's not designed to do that, it shit itself.

Everyone's trying to help and can understand your frustration. Sounds like you're willing to give it, literally, another shot when it's reset to absolutely stock. I do hope it works out for you pal, I really do. 

I know exactly what he said. But he also said by default; that instances like this  shouldn't occur when he proclaimed the parts should be able to withstand it and not be sheared to pieces. before adding the caveate - "when everything works properly". 

I also mentioned beforehand that I've experienced dozens of instances where gas vents from the mags and not a single time have any of my nozzles been damaged.

I just want to know if these internals are worth replacing with standard TM parts or am I going to have to spend over 50 pounds for a doubly reinforced one.

 

[Davegolf]

Jeez i dont know if you being antagonistic, im tyring to help and educate, there was no caveat, i had outlined in the paragraph prior:

THIS CLEARLY HASNT HAPPENED - your bolt has not moved back for whatever reason, so the nozzle has been blown up - magazines are not made of nozzle plastic becasue they are not intended to store the full pressure of the gas, just transport it.

You didnt get that so i spelled it out:

The standard parts handle it fine - when everything works properly ?

There are many scenarios for a mag to gas dump and how the other gun internals are located at the time dictates the level of damage, from zero-to-proper fecked.

By the by - If your gun is standard and functioning properly the stock nozzle is perfectly fine, just like 10,000s of other MWS users around the world. ?

 

[Snippy]

If you can procure stock TM parts, probably best option. Shouldnt have a problem as most of us use propane on stock internals. Otherwise the Gunsmodify nozzle if you can find it. Have you noticed anything wonky when racking the charging handle?

 

[Mr. No_Face]

Jeez i dont know if you being antagonistic, im tyring to help and educate, there was no caveat, i had outlined in the paragraph prior:

THIS CLEARLY HASNT HAPPENED - your bolt has not moved back for whatever reason, so the nozzle has been blown up - magazines are not made of nozzle plastic becasue they are not intended to store the full pressure of the gas, just transport it.

You didnt get that so i spelled it out:

The standard parts handle it fine - when everything works properly ?

There are many scenarios for a mag to gas dump and how the other gun internals are located at the time dictates the level of damage, from zero-to-proper fecked.

By the by - If your gun is standard and functioning properly the stock nozzle is perfectly fine, just like 10,000s of other MWS users around the world. ?

Looking at your breakage, it is right behind the rocket valve, this is significant, it means a shot was was fired, the rocket valve closed on BB exiting the barrel, next the bolt SHOULD travel back and turn off/reset the valve knocker turning off the gas supply, THIS CLEARLY HASNT HAPPENED - your bolt has not moved back for whatever reason, so the nozzle has been blown up - magazines are not made of nozzle plastic becasue they are not intended to store the full pressure of the gas, just transport it.

David, I apologize for sounding pissed because I am beyond fucking pissed but here's your full quote and I explained to you that is not what happened. The BCG is functioning fine.  "There was nothing not to get about your statement" I didn't for one instant consider that credible. 

In fact Rocketdogbert's suggestion of the gas format is more credible IMO.

 

[alxndrhll]

At the risk of suggesting something so stupid and obvious, have you contacted the place you picked it up from? While aware repairs may well not be/likely won’t be free/covered by any store warranty fingers crossed the issue can be properly diagnosed and amended.

Not to discredit what anyone is saying, but from what I gather you’ve had a few stabs at it yourself and the results haven’t worked out for whatever reason. Definition of insanity as credited to Einstein etc etc.

At the very least it saves your having to source parts.

 

[AlphaBear]

I was gonna say exactly the same. Phone Fire Support and speak to them. Tell them what’s happened and ask if they can fix it. They are a nice bunch of guys and they will sort it out. The MWS is quite robust and this behaviour is unusual. Hell you can power it up to 450 FPS if you want to and it will still work albeit wear a few components out more quickly. But the point is take a step back. Send it back to Frank and let his tech guy sort it. 

 

[Mr. No_Face]

At the risk of suggesting something so stupid and obvious, have you contacted the place you picked it up from? While aware repairs may well not be/likely won’t be free/covered by any store warranty fingers crossed the issue can be properly diagnosed and amended.

Not to discredit what anyone is saying, but from what I gather you’ve had a few stabs at it yourself and the results haven’t worked out for whatever reason. Definition of insanity as credited to Einstein etc etc.

My apologies again for sounding pissed guys but I got another game coming up and this was the last thing I needed to happen. A tech might be the best option if it means the problem is diagnosed right away and I don't have to keep spending money, troubleshooting in the dark.

I sold both my TK45c and MP7 to get this so you can imagine how much my frustration is amplified. My bro uses my SCAR, NGRS so once again I am stuck with a Glock for the next game.

 

[ThatNordicGuy]

Hello everyone,

I am trying to find some answers in regards to 'G&P MWS Forged Aluminum Complete 4-6 Bolt Carrier Group Set ( Black ) ( For G&P Buffer Tube )'. 

I have the TM MTR16 - and as far as I can see this bolt carrier will fit just fine, as long as I also change the buffer tube, but there are two options 

A long version and a (shorter?) version with some extra  - will they both fit my TM MTR16? And (sorry for asking) what is the difference between these two buffer options, what does all the extra bits and parts add in the version with some extra ? 

Also, since you are all (hopefully) reading my questions, has anyone tried the G&P Marui GBB M4 MWS CNC Custom Hop Up Chamber. ?

Thanks for all the help,

Bernt - Norway 

 

[JimFromHorsham]

Hello everyone,

I am trying to find some answers in regards to 'G&P MWS Forged Aluminum Complete 4-6 Bolt Carrier Group Set ( Black ) ( For G&P Buffer Tube )'. 

I have the TM MTR16 - and as far as I can see this bolt carrier will fit just fine, as long as I also change the buffer tube, but there are two options 

A long version and a (shorter?) version with some extra  - will they both fit my TM MTR16? And (sorry for asking) what is the difference between these two buffer options, what does all the extra bits and parts add in the version with some extra ? 

Also, since you are all (hopefully) reading my questions, has anyone tried the G&P Marui GBB M4 MWS CNC Custom Hop Up Chamber. ?

Thanks for all the help,

Bernt - Norway 

Pretty sure the long one you’ve linked for fitting into a Magpul UBR style stock ,  The short one is just a standard buffer tube set up.

 

[Snippy]

Hello everyone,

I am trying to find some answers in regards to 'G&P MWS Forged Aluminum Complete 4-6 Bolt Carrier Group Set ( Black ) ( For G&P Buffer Tube )'. 

I have the TM MTR16 - and as far as I can see this bolt carrier will fit just fine, as long as I also change the buffer tube, but there are two options 

A long version and a (shorter?) version with some extra  - will they both fit my TM MTR16? And (sorry for asking) what is the difference between these two buffer options, what does all the extra bits and parts add in the version with some extra ? 

Also, since you are all (hopefully) reading my questions, has anyone tried the G&P Marui GBB M4 MWS CNC Custom Hop Up Chamber. ?

Thanks for all the help,

Bernt - Norway 

Long ones for long stocks like an m16 stock. Also be careful with G&P buffer tubes as newer batches are meant for their own receivers, real steel threading. Best to get a 6position from angry gun.

 

[JimFromHorsham]

This buffer kit for an a2 style solid stock / long tube 

https://www.fire-support.co.uk/product/gp-marui-gbb-mws-aluminum-a2-buffer

this tube for a PRS style stock or A2 solid 

https://www.fire-support.co.uk/product/gp-gbb-roller-bolt-with-marui-mws-buffer-tube-long-version

this one for UBR style stock 

https://www.fire-support.co.uk/product/gp-gbb-roller-bolt-with-marui-mws-buffer-tube-short-version

this is a standard 6 pos stock tube 

https://www.fire-support.co.uk/product/gp-gbb-roller-bolt-with-marui-mws-gbb-5-position-buffer-tube-set

 

[ThatNordicGuy]

Long ones for long stocks like an m16 stock. Also be careful with G&P buffer tubes as newer batches are meant for their own receivers, real steel threading. Best to get a 6position from angry gun.

Thank you for your answer. 

Does that mean that these buffer tubes will not fit the original receiver at all?

This buffer kit for an a2 style solid stock / long tube 

https://www.fire-support.co.uk/product/gp-marui-gbb-mws-aluminum-a2-buffer

this tube for a PRS style stock or A2 solid 

https://www.fire-support.co.uk/product/gp-gbb-roller-bolt-with-marui-mws-buffer-tube-long-version

this one for UBR style stock 

https://www.fire-support.co.uk/product/gp-gbb-roller-bolt-with-marui-mws-buffer-tube-short-version

this is a standard 6 pos stock tube 

https://www.fire-support.co.uk/product/gp-gbb-roller-bolt-with-marui-mws-gbb-5-position-buffer-tube-set

So if they actually fit (see above post (G&P receiver vs TM receiver)), https://www.fire-support.co.uk/product/gp-gbb-roller-bolt-with-marui-mws-buffer-tube-short-version this would be the correct one for TM MTR16 and my original stock would fit (?) 

But, the original buffer spring will fit without modification in the new buffer tube?

Thank you for your answers.

 

[JimFromHorsham]

Thank you for your answer. 

Does that mean that these buffer tubes will not fit the original receiver at all?

So if they actually fit (see above post (G&P receiver vs TM receiver)), https://www.fire-support.co.uk/product/gp-gbb-roller-bolt-with-marui-mws-buffer-tube-short-version this would be the correct one for TM MTR16 and my original stock would fit (?) 

But, the original buffer spring will fit without modification in the new buffer tube?

Thank you for your answers.

I can not find any reference to being a G&P lower specific part (but things change and sometimes retailers forget to update the listing description ) .
the best thing to do is contact who you will be buying from in advance , if that’s firesupport then Frank should be able to give you all the information you need for fitting and if there is anything else you need that isn’t included in the kits .

 

[Fearlessfoo]

Does anyone have experience with the AngryGun complete MPA nozzle set (drop in)?

the loading/feeding part of my nozzle has bent somehow, so this seemed a good replacement as it has NPAS function too.

thanks!