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THE TM MWS thread

gunbod007 said:
It sits too low and I have realised the piece of material I thought I should file will just end up meaning that it will slip back down overtime
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I'm not sure what you filed down?

Thats not something I needed to do on mine. 

The problem I had was that it didn't locate properly on the buffer tube cut out (standard TM tube) and each time I would tighten the buffer tube / castle nut it would shift from being centered!

It took many attempts getting the nut in the correct position so when I tightened it fully it didn't over rotate the ASAP QD plate... I found it much easier to put a QD Sling point into the plate whilst it was doing this as it helped locate it whilst tightening it up.

 
Hey guys,

So i finally got my MWS mags from firesupport.co.uk and I cant fill them completely with WE 2x green gas... I have read various opinions, watched BadaBing, heard about green gas mods and I was wordering what you would suggest for me to do.

So according to BadaBing there is 2 batches of MWS mags, BATCH 1 has no markings on gas routers, while BATCH 2 has. Batch 1 needed the green gas modification in order to fill the magazine full of green gas, BUT BATCH 2 doesnt need it, and for him his BATCH 2 magazines fill completely after 12sec. fill 
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I have checked that my magazines are from BATCH 2, but as soon as i try to fill them up they are starting to spit green gas all around everywhere, now, I have read in the internet that TM inlet fill valves are finnicky on certain green gas balloon filling adapters and such it is recommended to use O-rings on the fill valves so it fills completely... ( I know that TM made the inlet valves to spit any unnecessary gas from the magazine insides)
I put o-ring in #1 of my MWS BATCH 2 mag, aaand after ~12sec silent filling (meaning there was no greengas spittin anywhere) i can shoot only 17 shots on semi.... 
I have tried to fill my #2 BATCH 2 magazine without putting an o-ring and spitting greengas everywhere for 12 secs - i dunno whether the other mag is different or what, but this one shot 44 shots after 12 sec fill. 

So my question is, should i do the green gas modification on my BATCH 2 mags? Is it still profitable to do it? 
What should i do about green gas spitting everywhere when I am filling the MWS magazines? should I put an o-ring to properly fill TM MWS magazines? 

Thank you for your answers to this!

 
That sounds like you're not putting enough gas in. With the silent fill mod I'd ignore the 12 second thing as that will be gas dependent and also depend on how much gas was in there to start with.

Instead listen to the gas going into mag. Literally ear next to the can as you're filling listen to the quiet hiss. That will give you an actual idea of how long it's going to take... The other thing is how full your can of green gas is. It's worth remembering that these mags can hold A LOT of gas compared to the volume of the gas can...

 
Crazy_Crystal said:
That sounds like you're not putting enough gas in. With the silent fill mod I'd ignore the 12 second thing as that will be gas dependent and also depend on how much gas was in there to start with.

Instead listen to the gas going into mag. Literally ear next to the can as you're filling listen to the quiet hiss. That will give you an actual idea of how long it's going to take... The other thing is how full your can of green gas is. It's worth remembering that these mags can hold A LOT of gas compared to the volume of the gas can...
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I was filling it with a full bottle of gg. 
I was actually wondering that, it appears that the magazine is filling slower with silent fill mod... Just to make sure, i should stop filling when i hear the hissing disappear? 

EDIT: after filling #1 up to until i hear no hissing sound it shot only 24 on semi, i hear no leaks whatsoever, any ideas? 

 
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That is strange, I only have v1 mags unfortunately so I couldn't say your best course of action.

Yeah I just stop filling when the hissing disappears. I'm not sure what could be causing you to vent so much gas though...

 
Yeah me neither, I might be just spitting a nonsense right now, but could it be that these mags arent performing as well just because they are brand new and werent used at all before? I've loaded my #1 mag again, now it shot 56 shots before it went completely dry, loading time seemed the same... 

 
TadsJ2 said:
Yeah me neither, I might be just spitting a nonsense right now, but could it be that these mags arent performing as well just because they are brand new and werent used at all before? I've loaded my #1 mag again, now it shot 56 shots before it went completely dry, loading time seemed the same... 
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Quite possibly... Tbh I'd be happy with 56... But then I always refil gas and BBS at the same time. 

I'll leave it to someone more knowledgeable to chip in there

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Crazy_Crystal said:
Quite possibly... Tbh I'd be happy with 56... But then I always refil gas and BBS at the same time. 

I'll leave it to someone more knowledgeable to chip in there

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Just another consideration that i forgot to mention, I have an Angry GUN adjustable (something like NPAS) enchanced drop in nozzle set V2 installed, could it cause these instabilities ? Yeah, will wait for more reply's i guess, but thanks! ;)

 
gunbod007 said:
It sits too low and I have realised the piece of material I thought I should file will just end up meaning that it will slip back down overtime
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There is no way that is slipping back down over time. Mine has not moved since. 

 
TadsJ2 said:
Just another consideration that i forgot to mention, I have an Angry GUN adjustable (something like NPAS) enchanced drop in nozzle set V2 installed, could it cause these instabilities ? Yeah, will wait for more reply's i guess, but thanks! ;)
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No worries...

The answer is probably possibly... Tbh it's worth just using a chrono if you have one and checking your FPS consistency...

 
Offset mount arrived at last. Waiting on a 1.93 mount for the vortex in black and a 13.5 urgi rail. Decided to go long lol..

So if anyone is after a 9.7 geiselle rail it will be up for sale shortly.

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TadsJ2 said:
Hey guys,

So i finally got my MWS mags from firesupport.co.uk and I cant fill them completely with WE 2x green gas... I have read various opinions, watched BadaBing, heard about green gas mods and I was wordering what you would suggest for me to do.

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So my question is, should i do the green gas modification on my BATCH 2 mags? Is it still profitable to do it? 
What should i do about green gas spitting everywhere when I am filling the MWS magazines? should I put an o-ring to properly fill TM MWS magazines? 

Thank you for your answers to this!
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Best way of filling any gas mag is in 1s bursts.

Fill for 1sec, stop, wait a couple of seconds then give it another 1sec burst of gas. Keep doing this until full. Should be able to top off the mag that way! Give that a go and see how many shots you get from 12x 1sec fills :)

 
SSPKali said:
Best way of filling any gas mag is in 1s bursts.

Fill for 1sec, stop, wait a couple of seconds then give it another 1sec burst of gas. Keep doing this until full. Should be able to top off the mag that way! Give that a go and see how many shots you get from 12x 1sec fills :)
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wow, didnt know that, well i've tried it your way - on #1 mag ~14sec burst fills got me 55 shots, though it seems i can try to fill it more this way!

But its nowhere near as Badabing mentioned, so is this normal for me to shoot 55 shots ? should i try to fill it more or is there anything I can try to do about the mag itself?

 
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So i've changed my nozzle set to stock one - i am able to do 86 shots with #1 mag and then the blowback is not happening anymore but there is still gas in the mag.
This probably due to Angry gun nozzle set and higher power (~5-10 m/s) it is giving? Should i just change the nozzle return spring on the stock one or try to use the angry gun enchanced v2 with preinstalled stronger nozzle return spring ?

 
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@TadsJ2

I have 6 v2 MWS mags, no mods on the mags, and all fire 2 full mags on a fill (+ nearly a full 3rd mag), using the 1 sec burst technique.  My internals are mostly stock, fitted a g&p v2 buffer with all 3 weights and Dave’s HSB.  A 370mm, 6.03 barrel and the brass supernub.

The o ring’s added to the mags do not help you.  The point of the venting is to let excess lower pressure gas out of the magazine so you can fit more liquid gas in.  The propane/green gas in liquid form pushes the gas to the top of the mag and it escapes.  It’s not until you start spitting liquid gas out that your mag is full.

I would try again with the o rings and fill in short bursts.

 
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I take it you meant *without the O rings.

All TMs run vented input valves.

Do not use O rings, as described above it allows useless air and non liquid Co2 to exit the mag and allow consistently even refills.

The function of the tube attached to the full valve (which people remove or shorten to ‘green gas mod’) essentially is a fill level device.

The extra space left by that tube is there to allow the liquid Co2 to expand into the gas which you fire with.

If you make that space smaller (by doing the green gas mod) yes you fit more liquid Co2 in, but at the expenses of shot FPS consistency.

Consistency is everything.

 
quango2k said:
Offset mount arrived at last. Waiting on a 1.93 mount for the vortex in black and a 13.5 urgi rail. Decided to go long lol..

So if anyone is after a 9.7 geiselle rail it will be up for sale shortly.

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Ooooooh nice. I’m liking that! Hmmm i wonder what an URGI 9.3 will look like on my CQBR? Lol

 
Okay, I get the theory behind  TM valves, but it literally vents liquid green gas all around when i am trying to fill it with WE 2x or SMART GAS gg  and it is definitely not even close to being full then... With all stock and silent fill mod i also get to shoot ~85 shots which is 2,5 magazine, so you are suggesting me not to modify anything and spit liquid green gas? I've read here in this thread that someone changed the inlet valves to Laylax inlet valves and it solved their similar problems... Could you tell me what manufacturer's green gas are u using to fill your MWS mags and maybe someone could make a video how does the refill look like , maybe its the same for me as for you and I am searching for problems which isnt really the problem :D

Also how does one take the o-ring off when its already applied? :D

 
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