The Cardinal Airsoft Sin....

[Rogerborg]

He ended up looking at my barrel. I said "bang". He told me to fuck off, while still looking at my barrel and went back out of view.

Then he's a dick, but he'd be a dick whether there's a bang rule or not.  You did the right thing, which is all you're responsible for.

I am really looking forward to sites being numbers-limited, heavily over subscribed, and in a position to castrate dicks and invite them to leave the site and not come back.

 

[Tackle]

I'm ok with the bang rule & obviously understand the parameters which it's applicable to, unfortunately many don't & either spit their dummy out or go all "cool hand Luke" on you lol, usually resulting in me shooting them from up close, which is exactly what I wanted to avoid ffs.

generally it works on sites with a long established bang & a regular clientele, only exception being when new players turn up, yak all through the briefing & then claim mid game "we don't do that at my regular site", which we all know what the usual response is ?

 

[Adolf Hamster]

I am an asshole but even he didn't deserve to get shot like that.

i must be more of an asshole then, i'd have let fly.

it's a divisive issue, hence my policy of being a twitch away from firing before i open my mouth to issue a bang kill.

in that case he made the decision, it's as close as you're gonna get to someone literally asking to be shot.

on the flipside, i also don't get salty if someone decides to skip the whole process and just pop one round somewhere it doesn't hurt.

"we don't do that at my regular site", which we all know what the usual response is ?

the worse case i heard of that was someone losing the rag because "headshots don't count".....

 

[Cr0-Magnon]

the worse case i heard of that was someone losing the rag because "headshots don't count".....

That's a strange one. I heard "It doesn't make sense that you have to call out if you get hit on the arm or leg, because you wouldn't die from that in real life"

There was silly ol' me thinking this was real life and we were participating in a hobby/sport/game!

 

[Tommikka]

i must be more of an asshole then, i'd have let fly.

it's a divisive issue, hence my policy of being a twitch away from firing before i open my mouth to issue a bang kill.

in that case he made the decision, it's as close as you're gonna get to someone literally asking to be shot.

on the flipside, i also don't get salty if someone decides to skip the whole process and just pop one round somewhere it doesn't hurt.

the worse case i heard of that was someone losing the rag because "headshots don't count".....

That's a strange one. I heard "It doesn't make sense that you have to call out if you get hit on the arm or leg, because you wouldn't die from that in real life"

There was silly ol' me thinking this was real life and we were participating in a hobby/sport/game!

Headshot rules date back to the beginning of paintball, and continue for rental paintball.

With original paintballers using basic workshop goggles there wasn’t a ‘headshots don’t count rule’ but an unwritten rule to avoid shooting the head.

With airsoft eye protection being minimal this could continue in some sites rules in a similar manner (may be in their insurance risk assessment & mitigation)

Headshots don’t count and gun shots don’t count are common in rental

paintball to avoid players hiding behind cover blind firIng. It also can keep players live for longer to shoot more and buy more.

Again - it could be in risk assessments and mitigation against rentals lifting their goggles

I once used the  gun shot & headshot rule to my advantage (and my bodies disadvantage)

I defended one corner of a village in the corner of a hut holding attackers behind a bush.

I crouched and curled my body, fitting in a tiny corner of the hut where those to my side up a hill couldn’t get enough angle

on me.

My gun and head were half poking out wedges down as close to the ground as possible with my trigger hand tucked under my chin and shot at anyone who tried to come out of the bush 

As I had no allowance for movement without exposing my body they only needed one person to sacrifice themselves by coming out of the other side of the bush - to shoot that corner I would needed to have leaned around.

 

[Adolf Hamster]

That's a strange one. I heard "It doesn't make sense that you have to call out if you get hit on the arm or leg, because you wouldn't die from that in real life"

wouldn't kill you but you probably wouldn't be combat effective when your down a few fingers.....

 

[Groot]

wouldn't kill you but you probably wouldn't be combat effective when your down a few fingers.....

Tis but a scratch

 

[Tommikka]

Arguments on rules are a combination of dickheads and rules being unclear (we normally do it that way doesn’t count when different players turn up)

I prefer two clearly defined rules:

Surrender - you think you have the drop on someone, call surrender but you may need to shoot first is they don’t accept

Tag - you get so close to someone that you are able to touch them with a tap on the shoulder etc 

Call ‘tag’ and that’s a confirmed kill 

I write the rules for my events so any argument about them has to come to me

Do so in a game and that means

1) you haven’t read the game scenario pack

2) you haven’t read the rule summary SOAP (Scenario on a page)

3) you didn’t listen to the brief

Talking of taped arms & player ID, flicking around on the net it occurred to me that seeing as more than half (if not more ?) of the worlds armies are now sporting variants of multicam/mtp etc, if there was another major conflict, gonna be a potential nightmare to ID the enemy in poor light etc ?.

America had a solution to that - reflectors on the back of your helmet and on parts of your uniform, IR lights etc

Which all fail when you are up against an opposition who obtains some equipment 

Let alone allowing a random attacker to walk straight into a co-alition base because they wore ACU from the local market 

 

[Tackle]

Murica, the country that invented terms such as "friendly fire" & "broken arrow" ? 

 

[Groot]

Murica, the country that invented terms such as "friendly fire" & "broken arrow" ? 

And is allowing P Diddy to run for POTUS

 

[Tackle]

P-Diddy, I thought it was Kanye West going for it ?, I suppose after Trump getting elected they think any things possible.

who would we like to see in the big chair ?

 

[Groot]

P-Diddy, I thought it was Kanye West going for it ?, I suppose after Trump getting elected they think any things possible.

who would we like to see in the big chair ?

Shows out of touch I am with hippidy hop. 
I just had to google if there were the same person. 

 

[PureSilver]

In descending order of annoyance:

1. Unsafe play, especially blind fire, but also overkill. Coming round a blind corner pre-firing, dumping 10rds into someone at close range, is totally unnecessary; I came to play airsoft, not indulge your sadomasochistic fantasies. Included in this is high-RPS builds, especially DSGs and high-power/high-RPS HPA. If you need 40RPS to play, maybe you should take up something more your speed, like knitting.
   
2. Dickhead play, especially not calling hits, but also hit-calling, offensive chat and getting aggressive. If you want to be a big man, fuck off down to Legoland and pick on people your own intellectual capacity.
   
3. Marshals turning their safety brief into an interminable comedy set. Tell us the rules and let us play.
   

Also...

plus Airsoft is a non contact sport for a reason...

This. If I want to pay too much money to get touched up by a sweating mouth-breather, I'll go to a strip club.

admittedly the safe zone grabbers can be a mite annoying, it's just basic manners to at least ask before messing with other folks stuff

What makes this so unacceptable is if you do ask them, 99% of airsofters would talk your ear off about their kit and positively force you to pick it up and aim down the sights etc. so you can appreciate its majesty. There's no need to go messing around with people's kit, especially when some players are leaving the value of a used car lying around in an unsecured safe zone based on nothing but trust.

 

[Jedi_Master]

Running into a room and shouting "Pew, pew, pew" and expecting the enemy to take the hit.

Everyone knows you are supposed to use full auto "Dakka, Dakka, Daaaaaaakkkkkkkaaaa" 

 

[Rogerborg]

I once used the  gun shot & headshot rule to my advantage

That was the first thing that occurred to me when "headshots don't count" was floated.  That would make you essentially invincible in many CQB situations, plus what is your opposition meant to do?  Give up, or shoot your teeth out?

No, I'm happier with headshots being allowed, but only if it's all that's presented to you.

 

[RonLancs]

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1. Marshals turning their safety brief into an interminable comedy set. Tell us the rules and let us play.
   

absolutely agree. 

 

[Musica]

That was the first thing that occurred to me when "headshots don't count" was floated.  That would make you essentially invincible in many CQB situations, plus what is your opposition meant to do?

Laughs in dye i5.

I was surprised to discover some sites don't do this.  I guess it's not quite as important in woodland where you've got a general idea that the enemy is over yonder.  In a maze-like CQB though, milliseconds count.  Heck, I'd like to see upper arms, wrists and headbands.

But untaped, urgh, no, just no.

Section 8 do it well. Red team right arm blue team left arm. See one arm of the player? You should be able to figure out if he is friend of foe. I plan on getting some coloured patches for the back of my chest rig as if the enemy is behind me I'm probably already fucked but I'd like to cut down on my team shooting me when I am attacking the enemy.

But on topic for me exluding the obvious hit dodging bastards:

Pre firing every fucking corner you go around. It's as  bad as blind firing you aquire target then shoot not shoot then look what you are shooting at.

The whallopers who think they are hitting you because they are John Wick but actually their gun has been misfeeding and nothings coming out or their high cap needs wound or some shit. I've had a marshal called on me for not taking a hit before and I was like eh i'm in a t-shirt pal  I would of felt it (I took a respawn to make him feel better but consistently that player and his UMP45 never fires a fucking thing at me and moans).

 

[Adolf Hamster]

The whallopers who think they are hitting you because they are John Wick but actually their gun has been misfeeding and nothings coming out or their high cap needs wound or some shit. I've had a marshal called on me for not taking a hit before and I was like eh i'm in a t-shirt pal  I would of felt it (I took a respawn to make him feel better but consistently that player and his UMP45 never fires a fucking thing at me and moans).

Had a rental pull that on me as i went to respawn, i was like dude, firstly i'm dead, secondly i'm on your team and thirdly you aint shootin shit.

 

[Stratton Oakmont]

Pre firing every fucking corner you go around. It's as  bad as blind firing you aquire target then shoot not shoot then look what you are shooting at.

I'm pretty sure I remember a you tube hero "teaching" this on a cqb video.

Wasn't impressed then or now.

personally the couple of gripes I have have been covered however, 

"gun hits don't count mate." Do they not? I m pretty sure that if your pew pew is across your chest and I aim centre mass and it hits your rif, it isn't a bullet shield and it has been stopped from hitting you by your rif 

I do this because

1 it's a BB gun not a laser and I want to maximise my chance of a hit by aiming for your plate carrier 

2 I don't do head shots unless thats all I can see

Now i appreciate if your gun barrel is sticking out from a behind a tree and the barrel gets hit from a 90 degree angle and was never going to hit you then I can see the fair play rule where you resort to your back up. If you feel though that If I shoot centre mass twice and you think that a rif is a shield and then  drill me on full auto (yes this happened) then what is left as an option to me. I'll tell you a bb to the face.

id like to say I'm a better person and wouldn't do it but I know I'm not.

 

[Rogerborg]

Pre firing every fucking corner you go around. It's as  bad as blind firing you aquire target then shoot not shoot then look what you are shooting at.

100%, that hacks me off.  There's not a huge amount of it at the Depot, but I'd like to see what there is being stamped on.

It's blind firing, because you can only hit targets that you couldn't see when you pulled the trigger. You could be lighting up a team-mate, marshal, or someone with their eye-pro off.  You don't see, you don't shoot.

Also, what's the purpose? The first round might take someone (team mate, marshal...) by surprise if they walk into it, but after that, what are you hoping for?  Either to inflict distraction through pain, or getting someone to mistakenly call themselves out from a ricochet, either of which are absolute cad's tricks.

But all pie-slicing tacticool excuses aside, I strongly suspect the main reason folk do it is just for an excuse to shoot off a bunch of what are usually tracer BBs.

I actually think the Depot could do with a few more open spaces where folk can play peek-a-boo and squeeze off a bunch of BBs without having to invent excuses for emptying their mags.  As ranges come down and more cover goes up, the opportunities to actually shoot at clear targets are reducing.