Spray painting a two tone airsoft gun

Giliador said:
So can I sell my £200 mag with a free RIF gift ? :P
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This would still count as a transaction, so you'd need a defence from the buyer.

Common law isn't so written in stone that you can circumvent it just by reading between the lines or thinking you're mildly clever; that's what case law is for - the law is tried and tested in a courtroom. There will have been trials where someone used that exact same analogy as their defence against 'selling' a restricted item and it'd be cited just as thousands of bits of case law are cited in court every day.

Basically, don't a tool and ruin it for all of us - just be careful. No one has been enough of an idiot to be prosecuted so far (and it's coming up on 9 years since the amendment passed).

jcheeseright said:
This thread is great, writ large the ignorance of the average airsofter who thinks he knows what's what because he's chatted to some people in the safe zone!

UKARA is a means by which you can provide a seller with a defence against prosecution so they can sell you a RIF; selling is a crime, retailers want a cast iron (ish) way to cover themselves because they're the ones breaking the law. UKARA is it, though by the letter of the law they just need to believe you are purchasing for use in a permitted activity.

UKARA is your means of providing a defence for yourself if importing, as you're committing a crime by importing a RIF. Like a retailer, customs want something documentary so they can satisfy themselves 100% that while you are illegally importing a RIF (it is still a crime) you have a defence against prosecution for doing so.

UKARA is meaningless when it comes to ownership as owning a RIF (even if you NEVER play) isn't a crime. There is no part of any law in the UK that prohibits the ownership of a realistic imitation firearm and so you do not need a defence.

Manufacture is where you can satisfy yourself that you have a suitable defence, since the wording of the skirmisher's defence is just that the RIF is to be used for the permitted activity. By the letter of the law you can plan to go to a game, paint your gun and then never go.
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I'm sorry but you've said nothing there that disagrees with what anyone else has been saying for the last two pages (apart from Giliador, that is - which is slightly amusing as he's the one that's liked your post). I must be missing something, apologies :S

 
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He called me average airsofter, I'll take it as a compliment ;-)

 
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I cant believe there is a 3 page discussion of such a basic concept as the VCRA and the purchase or ownership of an airsoft weapon (cant use the word RIF as its taking on the same connotation as GAT lately).

Instead of trying to pick holes in the wording try and understand the intent of the act and laws. Any law can be pulled apart in wording thats why the legal system recognises the intent not just the exact wording of any law or legal act.

Its simple and anybody who has trouble understanding it is even simpler.

 
Sacarathe said:
I'm not sure this is a discussion:

A: "I think X is true"

B: "it's not try again"

A: "I think X1 is true"

C: "it's not try again"

A: "I think X2 is true"

D:"it's not try again"

A: "I think X3 is true"

:)
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bollocks any law can be challenged even the simplest, and if you did study law you very often would analyse cases like the famous Donoghue v Stevenson, when suddenly you realize there is a flaw, I still don't have a clue what is and isn't a defense for me to manufacture RIF do I go on skirmishes once or every week ? You are not allowed to make RIF from IF, my green paint just came off, what do I do. Selling is crime but owning is fine... my dealer will not be happy about it. I'm more than happy to sit here quiet and wait for something horrible to happen (getting shot in the eye case, I suspect by a teenager) following by debate to ban airsoft since kids can own one, and if serious accident will happen it will be too late to change law then.

 
Goverment health warning alert.

Everybody is advised to boil all drinking water as it's just been confirmed the water supply had been contaminated by an unknown substance that's making people turn stupid.

 
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Giliador said:
bollocks any law can be challenged even the simplest, and if you did study law you very often would analyse cases like the famous Donoghue v Stevenson, when suddenly you realize there is a flaw, I still don't have a clue what is and isn't a defense for me to manufacture RIF do I go on skirmishes once or every week ? You are not allowed to make RIF from IF, my green paint just came off, what do I do. Selling is crime but owning is fine... my dealer will not be happy about it. I'm more than happy to sit here quiet and wait for something horrible to happen (getting shot in the eye case, I suspect by a teenager) following by debate to ban airsoft since kids can own one, and if serious accident will happen it will be too late to change law then.
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ImTriggerHappy said:
Goverment health warning alert.

Everybody is advised to boil all drinking water as it's just been confirmed the water supply had been contaminated by an unknown substance that's making everybody turn stupid.
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Rekt

Any ways why the hate towards teenagers :(

 
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And, to bring this thread back on topic:

http://gunfire.pl/product-eng-1152211293-Painting-Servico-de-pintura-make-the-airsoft-gun-meet-your-local-law-requirements.html

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UKARA, or proof of age sufficient to import? (/troll)

€5.12 (£4) really puts our retailers to shame.

IMPORTANT: legal restrictions in Portugal and the United Kingdom also apply to initial muzzle velocity - some models of replicas will also require the gun's initial muzzle velocity to be lowered by using the DOWNGRADE SERVICE
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I wonder from whom they got this.

 
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Oh my God, between now and my previous post which quoted the exact law there have been several posts with massively incorrect information in them.

If you are under 18 you cannot buy an IF or a RIF. That is the only thing restricted by age.

Anyone of any age can own an IF or a RIF regardless of what they intend on doing with it.

To sell, import, manufacture a RIF, or to convert an IF to a RIF you need a valid defence.

A valid defence is using it at an organised, insured Airsoft event. The minimum attendance is one event.

If you want to spray your two tone gun in a realistic colour and you will be playing with it at an organised and insured event then you can do it. There is no age restriction on doing this apart from the fact that under 18s cannot buy cans of spray paint.

Sources are:

Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006 (Sections 36 & 37)

Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006 (Realistic Imitation Firearms) Regulations 2007

Firearms Act 1968 (Section 24a)

 
At least two errors/inaccuracies there. That's a big trouble with large law related posts, the more words to you add the more errors duth appear. Third line is too absolute, fourth line has a syntax error for whom the defence belongs. :P

 
yawn to 3 pages.......

started typing an essay - but tbh I thought......

ahh bollox to it all in the end coz all the vcra/ukara stuff is just going over same ol' same ol' as last thread

GunmanAirsoft said:
apart from the fact that under 18s cannot buy cans of spray paint.
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Can under 18's be "gifted" cans of spray paint ???

sorry - just couldn't resist that one :)

 
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yep ^

I own a RIF, I don't have UKARA, nor am I over 18. Nor do I know the law aha.

but I do play airsoft. And pretty much if you play airsoft you're fine, you just need to prove it.

UKARA equal form or defence, I think.

I get a receipt from the airsoft site people. As my defence until my older brother can get th UKARA defence all sorted.

 
Let's say you spilt some fairy power spray and tried to scrub it off but all of your two tone came off :o what would the punishment be if caught?

 
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Aengus said:
Let's say you spilt some fairy power spray and tried to scrub it off but all of your two tone came off :o what would the punishment be if caught?
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30yrs min of hard labour cleaning ovens with Fairy Power Spray

that is if the trial gets to Old Bailey coz they can prove beyond all shadow of doubt that YOU was the one that did it

I bought it at car boot sale already like it - from Nobby in the pub blah blah blah

They are trying to bring back death penalty I think if anybody under 99yrs uses Fairy on anything other than ovens

plus if you do clean ovens you have to be registered as a professional oven cleaner and clean at least 3 ovens in 2 months

again - most ukara/vcra stuff is just going over same ol' same ol'.

skirmish = defense

above all don't be a dick and try to act/play responsibly with ya IF or RIF or peeew peeew toy gun what ever colour it is

 
Sitting Duck said:
30yrs min of hard labour cleaning ovens with Fairy Power Spray

that is if the trial gets to Old Bailey coz they can prove beyond all shadow of doubt that YOU was the one that did it

I bought it at car boot sale already like it - from Nobby in the pub blah blah blah

They are trying to bring back death penalty I think if anybody under 99yrs uses Fairy on anything other than ovens

plus if you do clean ovens you have to be registered as a professional oven cleaner and clean at least 3 ovens in 2 months

again - most ukara/vcra stuff is just going over same ol' same ol'.

skirmish = defense

above all don't be a dick and try to act/play responsibly with ya IF or RIF or peeew peeew toy gun what ever colour it is
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I'll be clearer if you breach the VCRA what would be the consequences (if a policeman arrested you)

 
Aengus said:
I'll be clearer if you breach the VCRA what would be the consequences (if a policeman arrested you)
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yes you may be in breach of the vcra section blah blah blah.....

but as to what the consequences are will totally vary on the arresting officer/station officer

if you have defense - a reason to have an airsoft gun then quite likely nothing will happen

at worst they "may" confiscate the gun and caution you if first offense etc....

All depends on circumstances on each case

BUT AND IT IS A BIG BUT - bigger than Kim Kardashian's ar$e....

WHAT THE F*CK are YOU doing to raise suspicion for a police officer to arrest you ffs ???

in rare circumstances you might be taking pot shots in ya secluded garden

you may have annoyed the neighbours and they might have been anal to call police......

BUT - if you was a c@nt and took your gun whatever f*cking colour it is out to show ya mates n stuff

Then yes you will attract attention and run the risk of a visit by local police or worse

which goes back to the "don't be a dick"

Airsoft gun - used for airsoft at a proper airsoft site - no real come backs

Airsoft gun - used by a dick - dick gets arrested is what I am saying

VCRA/UKARA is designed to stop/reduce the chances of "dick" getting hold of a RIF

though Dick can still get a RIF or a IF and repaint to change to appearance

but though it can be done - Dick will still be a Dick no matter what, unless they bring in a new DICK Act 2016

Do not get me wrong - even proper ukara responsible players can still be Dick

but Adult UKARA Dick should know better and may face more serious penalty if he has violated the DICK Act

An airsoft player - whatever their age or if they are/aren't UKARA'd registered....

If you act responsible you have nothing to worry about at the end of the day

if you act like Dick - then you are a f*cking Dick

NB - soz to any people called Richard etc... this was just a general term used to get point across to others

I'm not promoting or saying do this or that but you only gotta worry if you act like a dick really

 
Mos said:
yep ^

I own a RIF, I don't have UKARA, nor am I over 18. Nor do I know the law aha.

but I do play airsoft. And pretty much if you play airsoft you're fine, you just need to prove it.

UKARA equal form or defence, I think.

I get a receipt from the airsoft site people. As my defence until my older brother can get th UKARA defence all sorted.
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No, the under 18 thing is a no-no, so keep it to yourself. This boring thread is about converting IFs to RIFs and that's where the law is grey because of what a valid defence is. Owning Buying under 18? That's very clear-cut - you can't do it. To all intents and purposes your parents should be the actual owners buyers of the gun, but then they'd have to provide a defence.

Again, keep it to yourself :)

 
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same ol' same ol'

keep it under wraps - don't be like Dick = no worries

we can't/won't be seen to promote or assist people who should not be owning a RIF or whatever

if u18 and you can't persuade your parents to buy you an IF - soz can't help ya

repainting IF - whatever your age is a grey area at best but probably ok for a skirmisher to own a repainted IF

NEVER SAID IT WAS LEGALLY OK TO PAINT IT !!! but if it was painted gifted blah blah blah is slightly different

If your parents are against you owning or going airsoft - tough $hit I'm afraid, yes life isn't fair

and sure they have their reasons - yes parents are out of touch you think

(when you hit 25+ you start to slowly realise they weren't so dumb and did know a thing or two)

you should all know that by now & use common sense discretion act mature & responsible

(yeah it is difficult sometimes but do try to where our sport is concerned)

play safe and non-dick like = job done

play bit means you actually do participate in airsoft rather just wanna own a gun coz it is cool

non-dick = uhm do you really need me to explain this anymore ???

peace x x x

 
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