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Snitching Vs Warranted Concern.

Colin Allen said:
Indeed; a proportionate response to someone potentially wielding a real firearm would not be out of place.
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There was an incident a few years back where an argument took place over a player who had sneakily got behind enemy lines.

This ended with a player being booted in the chest, and that quickly broadcast across the community.

The reason for the use of their boot followed more slowly - a knife had been drawn

 
Tommikka said:
The reason for the use of their boot followed more slowly - a knife had been drawn
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People is dumb.  When I used to do historic reenactment, I felt there was never enough done to check that nobody had brought a sharp weapon or tool from the living history side onto the battlefield, accidentally or otherwise.  And as with the gun incident linked above, the problem is that you're trusting not just the nutter who brought it, but every other random nutter who might pick it up and not realise that it's "live" before cocking around with it (see the example of a paintball marshal getting his eye shot out by another marshal with a "cleared" marker).

Shouldn't happen, does happen, will keep happening.

 
Rogerborg said:
People is dumb.  When I used to do historic reenactment, I felt there was never enough done to check that nobody had brought a sharp weapon or tool from the living history side onto the battlefield, accidentally or otherwise.  And as with the gun incident linked above, the problem is that you're trusting not just the nutter who brought it, but every other random nutter who might pick it up and not realise that it's "live" before cocking around with it (see the example of a paintball marshal getting his eye shot out by another marshal with a "cleared" marker).

Shouldn't happen, does happen, will keep happening.
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I always check RIFs before shooting them and treat any RIF I haven't personally set up and checked like a loaded firearm, but I think that's a carry over from real-steel shooting and even air rifle shooting.

However, I know that isn't the case for most because I play airsoft and I see what happens in the safe zone and on the range and even in the game field.

 
As a relative noob to airsoft I know for sure I wouldn't want to play at any site where chrono isn't taken seriously. Especially HPA, which from the little I've read seems to have the most potential for fuckery. I don't think there's any reason to protect the site or players that are doing this, the rules are supposed to make the game as enjoyable and safe as possible for everyone. I can't lie I love the idea of milsim and defo want to experience that so to me the use of blanks/grenades seems super cool, but if it happened at a normal game day with no warning I'd be very confused and concerned. Having only played a few times so far, even grenades going off nearby shit me up something rotten

 
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Cannonfodder said:
Re the zip ties, no matter how someone tries to dress it up it's avoiding the chrono and therefore cheating. If you've passed on your feelings to site management and they've ignored you or fobbed you off then definitely name and shame them. Not doing so gives them a free pass to carry on and its human nature that if a person gets away with something once they're far more likely to do it again.
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1000%, they've got the time to go shopping for assorted coloured ties, but not to walk 50 yards to the chrono, definitely cheating pos & if I was a site owner I'd give them a lifetime ban, their hot guns have the potential to bring a H&S shitstorm down on the site. 

 
Yeah, I wasn't quite surely what it was when I saw/heard the blank firer as it's not like the Marshals pre-warned anyone and it was just a regular open skirmish day. The Marshal had a word with the guy and I didn't hear it for the rest of the time I was there, but seems the answer to my question was "No...unless you're a regular"

Seems us sensible lot will have to sit around in the "safe zone" with full eye and hearing protection.

 
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i've played fields that have on occasion used a blank firing pistol as part of "find the macguffin" games, and in that context ie on a site that allows loud bangs, with everyone under no illusion that the game will end in a literal bang, i see no issue.

however random players carrying them as a secondary?

at best someone recognises it's a blank, and continues play accordingly

at worst someone mistakes it for a real gun, and reacts accordingly

in neither case can i see the use of a blank firing pistol in leui of an airsoft pistol has any utility to its user.

as for cheating chrono? ban 'em, ban their mums, ban their hair, ban their pet chinchilla, ban their best freind's mate's plumbers aunt, ban their children and lay a curse upon their house unto the 9th generation.

as for sites that have insufficient chrono/enforcement procedures? well i'd say play somewhere else but that's how i ended up leaving the sport when i ran out of sites.

 
C-Diddy said:
Stand in front of someone firing it and I beg to differ
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Where I play, there a bang rule but you still have to be pointing a loaded rif at someone. If they don't take their hit you can then shoot them.

If someone shot at me with a blank firer, I might shit my keks but I wouldn't be taking a hit.

 
Cannonfodder said:
Blank firing guns have to have the barrel blocked
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Yes, they have the barrel blocked so that the gas can cycle the action. 

From close range/point blank range, a blank could seriously ruin your day.

CrackCommandoUnit1972 said:
Where I play, there a bang rule but you still have to be pointing a loaded rif at someone. If they don't take their hit you can then shoot them.

If someone shot at me with a blank firer, I might shit my keks but I wouldn't be taking a hit.
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Not the point I'm making

 
C-Diddy said:
Yes, they have the barrel blocked so that the gas can cycle the action. 
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UK legal blank voters have the barrel blocked to ensure that they cannot be converted to fire projectiles from live rounds and also to ensure that the vented gas does not go forwards 

Blank firers do vent their gas

 
C-Diddy said:
Yes, they have the barrel blocked so that the gas can cycle the action. 

From close range/point blank range, a blank could seriously ruin your day.

Not the point I'm making
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I think the point that Diddy is making is that Blanks Firers are still dangerous.  I remember in basic training our Flt Sgt put a styrofoam coffee cup over the end of a blank firing device.  Pulled the trigger, and it was shredded by the shotgun like debris that still comes out the end of the barrel, blank or not.  You can lose your eyes if someone shoots a blank too close to you

 
EvilMonkee said:
I think the point that Diddy is making is that Blanks Firers are still dangerous.  I remember in basic training our Flt Sgt put a styrofoam coffee cup over the end of a blank firing device.  Pulled the trigger, and it was shredded by the shotgun like debris that still comes out the end of the barrel, blank or not.  You can lose your eyes if someone shoots a blank too close to you
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Yes, exactly. Must admit my only experience with blank rounds is through real steel with BFAs attached, not actual blank firers, which, as pointed out, do have blocked barrels.

Appreciate the clarification. 

 
One thing I've seen a couple of times is people lying about what weight they use at the chrono.

 
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