RIF without UKARA (FILM MAKER)

[rschris]

but a defence against this is if the RIF is to be used for the purposes of theatrical performances and of rehearsals for such performances
or

the production of films (however there are more rules on what this exactly specifies)

A legitimate fimmaker.

A registered re-enactor who is a member of a re-enactment group with the appropriate public liability insurance.

An airsoft skirmisher who is a member of a site with public liability insurance

I can make films and put them on youtube - I dont think this will suffice as a film maker.......in my opinion otherwise , hell I have 3 driving videos on youtube but doesnt classify it as a film....otherwise every airsofter would declare themselves as film makers and try to buy one.

Thank you. Yeah I thought it would be a bit odd for them not to consider film makers with respraying guns. Thanks for the legal help

Its not legal help mate, its advice, what you LEGALLY do is up to you.

 

[TPI]

to actually be a filmmaker he needs to start selling his movies and for them to in lamens terms have a Beginning Middle and End (all that Act1,2&3 crap)

Best way in my opinion don't use weapons just yet and focus on other stuff and send it in too the Independent Filmmakers Awards and keep any Doc's you get from them as proof!

 

[Freshreel]

A legitimate fimmaker.A registered re-enactor who is a member of a re-enactment group with the appropriate public liability insurance.

An airsoft skirmisher who is a member of a site with public liability insurance

I can make films and put them on youtube - I dont think this will suffice as a film maker.......in my opinion otherwise , hell I have 3 driving videos on youtube but doesnt classify it as a film....otherwise every airsofter would declare themselves as film makers and try to buy one.

Its not legal help mate, its advice, what you LEGALLY do is up to you.

My film is going to be shown at Odeon with a viewing of 500+ people and then be entered into the short film circuit. I am also an award winning animator and director. Does this suffice your title of 'film maker'?

 

[rschris]

My film is going to be shown at Odeon with a viewing of 500+ people and then be entered into the short film circuit. I am also an award winning animator and director. Does this suffice your title of 'film maker'?

I dont know how you meant the part of 'does this suffice your title of 'film maker'. BUT.... it is not my title, it is the ACT stipulations and title actually.

Your film is GOING to be shown. Animator is nothing towards obtaining a RIF.

If your an award winning director then why are you struggling to prove credentials to get a RIF and on a forum asking questions when essentially this has been answered.

Make the phone call to a gun shop and buy one, if you fulfill the title of 'film maker' you wont have a problem.

 

[Freshreel]

I dont know how you meant the part of 'does this suffice your title of 'film maker'. BUT.... it is not my title, it is the ACT stipulations and title actually.
Your film is GOING to be shown. Animator is nothing towards obtaining a RIF.

If your an award winning director then why are you struggling to prove credentials to get a RIF and on a forum asking questions when essentially this has been answered.

Make the phone call to a gun shop and buy one, if you fulfill the title of 'film maker' you wont have a problem.

As you saw in my other thread I'm looking for a broken gas powered pistol and I can't find anywhere in Sheffield that would sell one. I was merely asking about all the laws regarding shooting on private land. I'm going to seek about buying an RIF in the buying subsection. Thanks for the help.

 

[BaggyPants]

Do you have registered offices?

Are you registered at Companies House?

Do you have a website?

Unless you can answer "Yes" to most of that lot, and it is checkable, you are not a film-maker for the purposes of the VCR act 2007. Anybody who sold to you without being able to prove to the law that you had sufficient credentials to show that you were a bonafide film-maker would be breaking the law, not you, and they would quite correctly assume the title of "complete idiot". Without this, anyone with a camera could claim "film-maker" status.

I read in an earlier post that you sprayed some brightly coloured two tone imitation firearms black. If you have none of the above proof of a defence, you broke the law. Simple. No grey areas, no excuses, you broke the law.

When all this went down, over six years ago for the bill to be prepared, a lot of people in certain hobbies worked very hard to ensure that they would be able to carry on enjoying them. The home office also allowed for genuine film/theatre companies to purchase through official channels and officers of the crown to purchase, also only through official channels. Since then, every numpty and his dog outside of those hobbies or institutions has been trying to f*ck it up for the rest of us.

Airsofters prove their defence by providing UKARA or site membership details - Checkable

Re-enactors prove theirs by providing membership details - Checkable

Crown Officers have to order through their work

Film/Theatre companies need to order as that company, not an individual

If you don't have a defence or exemption, kindly leave it alone.

Thank you.

 

[TPI]

Well said Baggy!

 

[Airsoft-Ed]

Freshreel, I may have a solution for you.

I too am from Sheffield and I can tell you now that there are absolutely no places in the city that sell any form of airsoft RIF.

However, there are two airsoft skirmish sites, which I'm sure would allow you to film on their premises, they are both based in derelict factory/office complexes. You might have to alter your script to some degree, but that's an option. I'm sure the site owners/organisers could provide the weapons, as well as be on hand to help out. If not them, then some site regulars. You could offer to pay them to use it, everyone loves money for doing nothing, right? It'd even save you a lot of money, since buying one would likely cost you upwards of £100.

If that doesn't float your boat then on Eccelsall Road there's a gun shop called Hardy's Gunsmiths. He sells a couple of replica air pistols that have the blowback feature, which for all intents and purposes are exactly the same as airsoft guns apart from the type of ammo you use, which shouldn't matter to you since you don't plan on firing them.

What you'll be interested to know, is that you don't require any kind of license, defence, or otherwise, to own any kind of air weapon. So long as it suits certain power regulations, which a pistol of that sort will.

If you want to know more about either option then PM me about it and I'll give you some website links, contact details and the like. I'd say Hardy's is your best bet though, John, who runs it, is a really cool guy, minus the fact that he hates airsoft lol.

 

[ratmandan]

True I can see how frustrating it is but at the end of the day wherever that gun ends up there is instances of people robbing banks and stuff with a RIF,

Why would you rob a bank with a posh toy gun anyways! if I chose bank robbery as profession I would certainly want something that spits out more than a plastic pellet.....it's bollocks IMO

 

[TPI]

No idea as usual

 

[ratmandan]

So don't think the law written by silver spooned aholes in wigs who were born into a position of power is bullshizer, and you would choose to rob a bank with a plastic projectile firing airsoft gun!....and I'm the one who hasn't got a clue?

 

[Richard65]

Why would you rob a bank with a posh toy gun anyways! if I chose bank robbery as profession I would certainly want something that spits out more than a plastic pellet.....it's bollocks IMO

If you intended to shoot someone then a real gun would obviously be more useful.

The use of RIF works so long as the person looking down the barrel thinks that they are in danger of being shot and would rather hand over the money or other valuables rather than take the risk that it is a real, loaded gun and the person holding it really would shoot.

No doubt a professional bank robber would have ways to buy a real gun but I would hope that more normal folk would find it very difficult hence the need to make access to RIFs harder than buying IFs.

A lot of crime is carried out without a lot of forward planning and even having to paint a two-tone to make it look realistic will be enough to deter many potential bad guys whereas if they could walk into any shop, pick up a RIF and then go next door to rob the mini market or whatever then it would be too easy.

Maybe the rules are quite easy to get round but they do allow the enjoyment of airsofting using RIfs for very little inconvenience to us all. It would have been far simpler for the government just to ban all RIFs and IFs but thankfully they were willing to allow exemptions - subject to certain rules/constraints.

 

[ratmandan]

Guns are not hard to come by for criminals in this country just go to London or any other big city have a word with a scag head I'm pretty sure they would source you one for a £50 fee

I do quite a bit of air rifle shooting, the lack of restraint worries me because they are most definitely deadly, full power with heavy weight pellet would go through an adults skull in several places and yet anyman and his dog can have one.

What is the worst out come with an airsoft gun somebody loses an eye or the plonker waving it around gets a couple of 9mm slugs and the world benefits from one less moron taking up perfectly good oxygen.

All you need to rob a bank nowadays is a rucksack and a note saying you have a bomb, or a banana in your pocket....

Anyway all the best with your film freshreel il stop spamming your thread with my opinions