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[Shamal]

These countries have a far smaller population than the UK. In fact if you add the three together you get roughly the same number as the UK. London alone has a bigger population than Singapore or New Zealand.

Taiwan was one of the worst hit countries back in 2003 with SARs - so rightly they invested in Epidemic control. But they also have methods of government control that would unpalatable with the UK population, for example - your phone tracking your whereabouts 24/7 and health officials tracking you down should you choose to wander off anywhere.

Singapore hospitalised everyone over the age of 45 with that tested positive with Covid (irrespective of severity) - how would a country of nearly 67 million handled that? Singapore has about 380k people over the age of 70 (the most vulnerable to Covid), yet the UK has ~7 million over 70 - that's more than the entire population of Singapore.

Jacinda Smugface might gloat about how their country tackled the pandemic, but ultimately Sadiq Khan oversees a bigger population than she does. NZ has a population density of 18 per sq Km, London? 5701.

If you want to compare us to other countries, look at France. Roughly the same population - 67million to our 66.65million. Granted, they have around 80k deaths (compared to our 120k), but have less than half the population density (122 per sq Km to our 275 per sq Km). There are other variables, such as obesity rates (which has a huge effect on Covid survivability) and general population health (in which France is better than than us on both counts) which also have to be factored.

The wheels of power move slowly and in step with what the population and the press will let them get away with. Cygnus was 4 years before the Covid-19 outbreak. I agree that the government should have been much better prepared for a large scale pandemic, but given that there only a handful of global pandemics in the entirety of the 20th Century, you could imagine the outcry from an media-fueled austerity-ridden populace about spending large quantities of cash on equipment that could have sat gathering dust in a warehouse for potentially decades. Hindsight eh?

Again - a lot of mistakes were made. People died that probably shouldn't. But if you don't like the Government, make it known at the ballot box at the next local and general elections.

A lot of good points there @Speedbird_666

I would,however, disagree with your last paragraph.

The idea of vote with your feet to change things that we are not happy with.

Nice idea but doesn't work.has it ever worked?

We vote for who we think will change things but how long is it before we become unhappy because they are not doing as they promised.And that,I think,is because they can't.They are controlled by the faceless moneymen who pull the strings and say what they want to happen.maybe I'm cynical but have had my eyes opened and now can see.

But in any case there is a saying that you can ,'please some of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time.

Regards  

I have also been informed that my estranged Father has caught it. Hes an ass, but I wouldn't wish it on him. Mixed emotions. 

Best wishes for you pa fella and for you.?

 

[Asomodai]

My prayers and best wishes to your grandmother and family 

Much appreciated.

She is certainly a character. Funnily enough we mostly talk about politics when we are together. She was in the running to become a conservative counsellor in the early 90s, she introduced me to John Major, William Waldagrave and William Hague at various Conservative party fundraisers and events. On my 11th birthday she bought me a signed Maggie Thatcher autobiography. John Bercow used to stay at her house when he was a young whipper snapper trying to gain influence. 

She has always been disappointed how I turned out politically despite her best efforts. Though she is happy that I am at least active in politics, have conviction in my belief and do more then post on the internet about it! (Honest! :-D)

I certainly hope I can continue lively political debate with her for years to come!

 

[MiK]

If we all get released at once like we did last year - the beaches will be rammed, parks will be over populated and people will go back to being dicks and within 3-6 month we will be back to where we are now, the re-opening should be slow n steady and imho anyone who refuse to get the vaccine (unless it’s a medical thing) should be made to stay in lock down until they do.

 

[Asomodai]

A lot of good points there @Speedbird_666

I would,however, disagree with your last paragraph.

The idea of vote with your feet to change things that we are not happy with.

Nice idea but doesn't work.has it ever worked?

We vote for who we think will change things but how long is it before we become unhappy because they are not doing as they promised.And that,I think,is because they can't.They are controlled by the faceless moneymen who pull the strings and say what they want to happen.maybe I'm cynical but have had my eyes opened and now can see.

But in any case there is a saying that you can ,'please some of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time.

Regards  

Best wishes for you pa fella and for you.?

Thank you for your wishes! I have high Hope's.

I also loathe the demise of real political change as written in the other thread . 

Though it's a variation on a theme, I wonder if a true Socialist Nationalist party would be palatable to the majority. Good public services, putting the country first and having a points based immigration system (But without the racist warmongering Nazi authoritarian regime)

 

[Speedbird_666]

Much appreciated.

She is certainly a character. Funnily enough we mostly talk about politics when we are together. She was in the running to become a conservative counsellor in the early 90s, she introduced me to John Manor, William Waldagrave and William Hague at various Conservative party fundraisers. On my 11th birthday she bought me a signed Maggie Thatcher autobiography. John Bercow used to stay at her house when he was a young whipper snapper trying to gain influence. 

She has always been disappointed how I turned out politically despite her best efforts. Though she is happy that I am at least active in politics, have conviction in my belief and do more then post on the internet about it!

I certainly hope I can continue lively political debate with her for years to come!

I hope your Grandmother makes a full recovery, I'm sorry to hear she contracted the virus even with the Vaccine.

You raised valid points in response to my post. I would like to respond properly but I'm cooking a roast dinner at the mo. If I get time later I shall follow up.

All the best.

 

[Shamal]

My prayers and best wishes to your grandmother and family 

Nice.

 

[Tackle]

Evidence seems to be going towards that transmission rates go down with people who have caught COVID despite having  vaccine which is some good news.

Sadly my crazy elderly battleaxe Grandmother has been very unlucky as shes currently battling the Bristol Covid Variant despite having her first Pfizer vaccine 4 weeks ago. Shes doing... ok. But it's touch and go. We'll know in a few days time. 

I have also been informed that my estranged Father has caught it. Hes an ass, but I wouldn't wish it on him. Mixed emotions. 

I wish I could begrudgingly praise this government for their response, but I really cant going by the stats.

I had the oxford AstraZeneca jab yesterday, feel like hammered shit today ??, but good luck to you & yours, too much heartache around at the mo?

A lot of good points there @Speedbird_666

I would,however, disagree with your last paragraph.

The idea of vote with your feet to change things that we are not happy with.

Nice idea but doesn't work.has it ever worked?

We vote for who we think will change things but how long is it before we become unhappy because they are not doing as they promised.And that,I think,is because they can't.They are controlled by the faceless moneymen who pull the strings and say what they want to happen.maybe I'm cynical but have had my eyes opened and now can see.

But in any case there is a saying that you can ,'please some of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time.

Regards  

Best wishes for you pa fella and for you.?

Unfortunately our usual options are "who do I pick from this bunch of self serving twats", I've yet to see a politician or party that had the best interests of the population at heart...........?

 

[Shamal]

I hope your Grandmother makes a full recovery, I'm sorry to hear she contracted the virus even with the Vaccine.

You raised valid points in response to my post. I would like to respond properly but I'm cooking a roast dinner at the mo. If I get time later I shall follow up.

All the best.

Snap! Me to. Roast pork with all the bits. Yum.

 

[Asomodai]

I hope your Grandmother makes a full recovery, I'm sorry to hear she contracted the virus even with the Vaccine.

You raised valid points in response to my post. I would like to respond properly but I'm cooking a roast dinner at the mo. If I get time later I shall follow up.

All the best.

Ditto, though the missus wanted Turkish Dolma instead of a roast today and frankly I can get them to keep their shape once boiled :-(. I dont mind vine leaves and rice... but on a Sunday??

 

[AlphaBear]

They are saying all adults above 18 will

be offered the jab by July. Although how many over 18’s act as adults is another matter entirely. 
 

@Asomodai thoughts and prayers are with you buddy.

 

[MiK]

@Asomodai bad news - hope ya Gran gets through it ok and is back with you being your political advisor

Tis the 2nd person I’ve heard who have had the jab but still gotten Covid-19 sucks massively but they say if you’ve had the jab your less likely to get the more serious side of it.

 

[Asomodai]

Snap! Me to. Roast pork with all the bits. Yum.

Envious. I married into a Turkish family, I gave up pork for love.

It's the cheap and unhealthy bits of pork i miss. Haslet, sausages and bacon! Though lamb sausages arent that bad really. 

Think I'll start up a "What you cookin'? photo thread" in off topic soon!

 

[GenuineGerman]

I’ve got to do a roast later and I was out to buy spuds to do roasties but thought I can’t be arsed and got aunt Bessies instead 

 

[MiK]

They are saying all adults above 18 will be offered the jab by July. Although how many over 18’s act as adults is another matter entirely. 

Being “offered” yes but the uptake isn’t the best, my misses who works at a doctors surgery says at least 40%+ everyday either don’t show for their appointment for the jab or when called to book one they are refusing to book one as they are “undecided”

I got a text for mine on Thursday and I had a choice of which jab I wanted so I took the nearest location and got my first jab done @08:30 on Saturday and my 2nd is on the 1st May.........

 

[GenuineGerman]

Anti vaxers and their bollocks. My missus is a community nurse and some of the stories of the hospital wards and how bad it is. The moment I can get the vaccine I will be going. 

 

[Asomodai]

They are saying all adults above 18 will

be offered the jab by July. Although how many over 18’s act as adults is another matter entirely. 
 

@Asomodai thoughts and prayers are with you buddy.

@Asomodai bad news - hope ya Gran gets through it ok and is back with you being your political advisor

Tis the 2nd person I’ve heard who have had the jab but still gotten Covid-19 sucks massively but they say if you’ve had the jab your less likely to get the more serious side of it.

I wish she hadnt smoked as much as she did in her younger years, her lung function was pretty crap before Covid as it is.

She tends to keep my more incoherent rants tempered, sadly she wont let me do the same for hers!

Being “offered” yes but the uptake isn’t the best, my misses who works at a doctors surgery says at least 40%+ everyday either don’t show for their appointment for the jab or when called to book one they are refusing to book one as they are “undecided”

I got a text for mine on Thursday and I had a choice of which jab I wanted so I took the nearest location and got my first jab done @08:30 on Saturday and my 2nd is on the 1st May.........

Wow, I didnt realise you got to choose. The missus family have had both types, the Pfizer one having worse side effects despite public perception stating that Astra is worse for it. Personally (and with no medical background) it doesnt matter which one you take, you may just be susceptible to either ones side effects.

As soon as I get the call I'll gladly leap on whatever's available. 

 

[GenuineGerman]

My Grandmother was known as “Rote Helga” haha. Absolutely convinced socialist and always voted for the Die Linke. 
 

And chairwoman is the local factory workers party during East German times 

 

[Asomodai]

My Grandmother was known as “Rote Helga” haha. Absolutely convinced socialist and always voted for the Die Linke. 
 

And chairwoman is the local factory workers party during East German times 

We have some things in common it seems!

My Grandmother was born in Austria to German parents, my Great Grandmother was a staunch Nazi who defended Hitler to the hilt, yet my Great Grandfather was one of the 7% of pacifists and a true leftist socialist. I can only imagine the dinner table conversation.

He was called up to service as a medic. 

They both fled to Austria when the allies got close. 

My Grandmother arrived in the country after meeting my English Grandad. Of course she is 100% anti immigration now and yes is fully aware of the hypocrisy!

 

[MiK]

Wow, I didnt realise you got to choose. The missus family have had both types, the Pfizer one having worse side effects despite people saying Astra is worse for it. Personally (and with no medical background) it doesnt matter which one you take, you may just be susceptible to either ones side effects.

Neither did I until I called, if I wanted the Pfizer that was done at the Royal or General (two major hospitals in Leicester) and the Astra was at the Glenfield Hospital which is like 5mins away.

I wasn’t fussed which and since parking at the royal is stupidly expensive and the general was the other side of city. I went for ease of getting to the Glenfield and I chose the day’n’time to avoid the so called queues, I walked in, sat down to answer a couple of questions and then went to get my jab, I was in & out in 10mins. I haven’t had any side effects or anything that is on the list nor the arm is t sore either, Mrs ain’t happy as her’s hurt like billy’O but she had the Pfizer one

 

[Shamal]

Envious. I married into a Turkish family, I gave up pork for love.

It's the cheap and unhealthy bits of pork i miss. Haslet, sausages and bacon! Though lamb sausages arent that bad really. 

Think I'll start up a "What you cookin'? photo thread" in off topic soon!

Kudos,mate kudos.

Sacrifice for belief. ?