Retailers - Lack of understanding, over-cautious or maybe even cynical?

[Richard65]

I agree that the retailer could contact your site to get verification - so long as your site is willing to make the effort to reply. This may involve them searching through their records to ensure you have played the required number of games etc.

The other coice is for you to register with UKARA free of charge so that you are on their datavbase. Overall this is probably simpler and less effort for all concerned.

If you can not be bothered to register then why should everyone el;se make the effort on your behalf. OK - the retailer is making a profit on the gun sale but your site gets nothing and they may shoulder the bulk of the work in helping to prove your defence.

Going back to your buying a car analogy - would you object if the retailer had to see your driving licence as proof that you were entitled to drive aa car?

The one that does annoy me is the proof you need to buy a new number plate for a car - went to Halfords as someone had broken mine and they insisted on the registration document and photo ID for me (I still have the old paper licence). This was despite the fact that I had the car with me with one perfvect polate and on e broken one.

 

[ScoobySnacks]

Richard, the site has had the pleasure of your custom (and your money) already otherwise you wouldn't be trying to get them to say you were a regular skirmisher. It is the government who have foisted these stupid laws on us, and a few minutes to look at the records and say "yes, he's played here a few times recently" is the least I would expect of a site. To be honest, if they couldn't manage that basic level of customer service, my money would be heading elsewhere in future!

I work hard for my money, so I'm choosy about who I give it to. If the retailer can't be bothered to contact the site, then I'll find another who will. I'm not THAT desperate to buy another RIF. (I am actually registered on the UKARA database, but if I wasn't, if for example my closest local site wasn't registered with the scheme for whatever reason, then I would expect the retailer to be somewhat flexible, and I don't see that as being unreasonable!)

 

[Baz JJ]

The site that I use had a total of £180 from me in qualifying rental games and then asked me for another £10 to process my membership and generate the UKARA form. Knowing I was waiting for it so I could buy my own RIF, they sent it 2nd class after a few days.

Never expect too much from others.

 

[jp0202]

And what's this I hear you can buy a rif if you have a business no problem? Is that true?

 

[ScoobySnacks]

If your business is to sell RIF's for the approved purposes then that is true, if you only sell eggs then I guess not.

 

[Moose87]

i thought it was funny when you said about owning a car that you have to sign up to a database.

you do! its called the DVLA. you have to sign up to them to get a license and then you have to put your details on a form for the car and send it off.

paying money for the car doesnt mean you own it!

 

[jay83]

you go Moose

 

[chris555]

they don't want to take the risk its not worth there time it take a couple seconds to check a database and keeps the police off there backs this country is so anti gun its seriously not worth there time to do anything else

 

[JoW.]

Saw this discussion and it's really interesting, being a lapsed airsofter myself. I still have most of my kit as VCR came in a little after I went on my 2 year shopping spree, but stopped me from selling on most of my old stuff. Since then, I've chatted with some other lapsed airsofters who have pretty much the same complaint. I respect Tim Wyborn very much for taking his time out to represent airsoft at the time VCR was being discussed, and getting an agreement to a defence written in. However, the regime that is running seems to be more reductive than expansive, which is precisely what VCR was trying to socially engineer. When exactly do you officially 'cease' to be an airsofter? And why should you be subject to someone telling you that that part of your life is now irrelevant since you are not on a database?

However, from the retailing angle, I can see the issues when you are not conducting a face-to-face transaction, since all kinds of red flags come up from distance selling rules to rules about verifying the identity of the buyer. I think being a member of any airsofting organisation should be sufficient to show credentials, and face-to-face transactions should be made easier

 

[Mack]

Saw this discussion and it's really interesting, being a lapsed airsofter myself. I still have most of my kit as VCR came in a little after I went on my 2 year shopping spree, but stopped me from selling on most of my old stuff. Since then, I've chatted with some other lapsed airsofters who have pretty much the same complaint. I respect Tim Wyborn very much for taking his time out to represent airsoft at the time VCR was being discussed, and getting an agreement to a defence written in. However, the regime that is running seems to be more reductive than expansive, which is precisely what VCR was trying to socially engineer. When exactly do you officially 'cease' to be an airsofter? And why should you be subject to someone telling you that that part of your life is now irrelevant since you are not on a database?

However, from the retailing angle, I can see the issues when you are not conducting a face-to-face transaction, since all kinds of red flags come up from distance selling rules to rules about verifying the identity of the buyer. I think being a member of any airsofting organisation should be sufficient to show credentials, and face-to-face transactions should be made easier

1. UKARA is not a legal requirement mate, only one of many defences. Plenty of players are not on the database.

2. It is, If your a member of a site with TPLI then you can buy RIF's till your hearts content

 

[Longshot]

The law is not the problem; 98.63% of airsofters having little to no idea what the law says is the problem.

 

[jcheeseright]

what?! We all need a UKARA LICENSE to own a RIF, everyone on youtube comments knows that!

The law is not the problem; 98.63% of airsofters having little to no idea what the law says is the problem.

 

[Moose87]

so you know every law out there?? i would say 100% of people dont know every law and that includes lawyers and judges. its why they invented places to find laws like books and the internet to share information.

 

[Longshot]

so you know every law out there?? i would say 100% of people dont know every law and that includes lawyers and judges. its why they invented places to find laws like books and the internet to share information.

Yes, I know every law out there, just like I said in the post I made... Oh wait, that's nothing like what I said.

Do I know about laws to do with shark hunting? No, I don't hunt sharks.

Do I know about laws to do with flying helicopters? No, I don't fly helicopters.

Do I know about laws to do with driving cars? Yes, I drive car. It's just good sense to know the laws that might affect something you're involved in.

Do I know about laws to do with airsoft? Yes, I play airsoft. It's just good sense to know the laws that might affect something you're involved in (especially if you go around telling other people what the laws are).