Real knives, folded for knife kills???

[Rogerborg]

Folded knives are nothing see the thread re Czech Policeman

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That reminds me of a group of Eastern European players yesterday who spent every briefing, from safety to game briefs, standing way off at the back and yakking to each other, despite being told repeatedly to move in, shut up and listen.

To be clear, I had no problems with their pewing, which was fair and friendly, but they cannot possibly have been cognisant of what was expected of them.

Which is an issue that any realistic risk assessment should take into account.  Just publishing or declaring rules and then assuming that everyone can and has read/listened, understood and agreed to follow them is wildly optimistic.  That counts double at a big milsim, which is likely to attract players who are not familiar with the site or the rules in play.

Murphy's Law is an actual thing.  If you want to find out how badly things will go wrong, all you need to do is to create a situation where they can go wrong.

 

[Albiscuit]

The above pisses me off at games. Regulars should know better and be quiet and its usually the large group of twats joking or fecking about that end up casing grief in the game!!

 

[Rogerborg]

It's a double whammy, because it demonstrates that they have no interest in the site/event/game rules, and no respect for the site owner or the marshal team, meaning that their reaction when pulled up is likely to be less than compliant.

I wouldn't wish a marshal's job on my worst enemy (well, maybe my worst enemy), but it's a general truism that the earlier you intervene, the more successful it's likely to be.  In the event being discussed here, it sounds rather like they started badly, then there was an escalating pattern of shenanigans that was shrugged off rather than being nipped in the bud.  Poor show all round, sad times.

 

[Wo1f]

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[clumpyedge]

It's a double whammy, because it demonstrates that they have no interest in the site/event/game rules, and no respect for the site owner or the marshal team, meaning that their reaction when pulled up is likely to be less than compliant.

I wouldn't wish a marshal's job on my worst enemy (well, maybe my worst enemy), but it's a general truism that the earlier you intervene, the more successful it's likely to be.  In the event being discussed here, it sounds rather like they started badly, then there was an escalating pattern of shenanigans that was shrugged off rather than being nipped in the bud.  Poor show all round, sad times.

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We wont start a brief until every one is quiet. If people keep talking we just stand in silence and wait... not in the habit of baby sitting people, generally that sets the standard when every other player that can be quiet is looking at you to shut your trap ??

 

[Wo1f]

Besides the knife thing which I standby was a stupid fucking move... sounds like a load of noobs and speedsofters went to the event and didn’t like it 

 

[clumpyedge]

Besides the knife thing which I standby was a stupid fucking move... sounds like a load of noobs and speedsofters went to the event and didn’t like it 

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Agreed, although personally if someone has a multi tool that doesn’t bother me but knives no way.

I’ve played on games where majority of teams have at least two or three guys running tags. Been hit by one and it was outside of the MED yeah it was a bit of a shock, did it hurt..fuck no. On the other hand I’ve been hit inside of a MED not sure how close it actually was as I was facing away and even then it hurt way less than being hit by a sniper (of which I’ll admit I’ve been put on my arse after taking a forehead shot ?)

Im glad there’s been a bit more transparency from both the organisers and players, one thing I don’t agree with though is acting like a bellend on both parts, if you’re salty about something have a chat with people and leave the attitudes at home. I had a (somewhat) strong word with one person at a different game who attended this event over something I didn’t agree with and managed not to turn it into a slagging match and we both walked away having a laugh with each other so I fail to see why this has exploded like it has but then I guess maybe as others have said the clientele didn’t really get what the game/scenario was about.

 

[Wo1f]

Agreed, although personally if someone has a multi tool that doesn’t bother me but knives no way.

I’ve played on games where majority of teams have at least two or three guys running tags. Been hit by one and it was outside of the MED yeah it was a bit of a shock, did it hurt..fuck no. On the other hand I’ve been hit inside of a MED not sure how close it actually was as I was facing away and even then it hurt way less than being hit by a sniper (of which I’ll admit I’ve been put on my arse after taking a forehead shot ?)

Im glad there’s been a bit more transparency from both the organisers and players, one thing I don’t agree with though is acting like a bellend on both parts, if you’re salty about something have a chat with people and leave the attitudes at home. I had a (somewhat) strong word with one person at a different game who attended this event over something I didn’t agree with and managed not to turn it into a slagging match and we both walked away having a laugh with each other so I fail to see why this has exploded like it has but then I guess maybe as others have said the clientele didn’t really get what the game/scenario was about.

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I’ve no problem with multi tools or even knives carried on you. I’ve always got a multi tool or Hex key set on me. My issue is using it (folded or otherwise) as a weapon. 

TAG’s are awesome. I’m there to get shot. As long as it doesn’t do any permanent damage, which a tag doesn’t, I’m game. 

Its a shame because now that that game is invite only, so I couldn’t try it. Few cry babies ruin it for everyone. 

 

[Valentine]

OK confused noob here, what's a TAG?

Edit nevermind Google is my friend today, they certainly look fun ?

 

[clumpyedge]

I’ve no problem with multi tools or even knives carried on you. I’ve always got a multi tool or Hex key set on me. My issue is using it (folded or otherwise) as a weapon. 

TAG’s are awesome. I’m there to get shot. As long as it doesn’t do any permanent damage, which a tag doesn’t, I’m game. 

Its a shame because now that that game is invite only, so I couldn’t try it. Few cry babies ruin it for everyone. 

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Totally, shouldn’t be used for anything other than if needing to fix something etc. Can’t see why anyone carried a folding knife as i believe locking knives over 3” are illegal? Saying that if airsofters don’t know MED distances I can’t imagine they know much about inches either.

Game at longmoor I was at some guy next to me got hit while wearing a helmet and barely noticed other than the knock of it hitting ?

im pretty sure people will be able to play the games more the fact problem people just wont be asked to come back I imagine  or just won’t go back

 

[Adolf Hamster]

i'm struggling to get the taking a direct hit from a tag not hurting, from what i've seen of those impact exploding shells i wouldn't want to be hit by one.

although granted they are cool as heck and if used properly i don't see an issue, but used properly means in my book deliberately firing to miss and relying solely on the standard grenade rules.

 

[Immortal]

I would guess it's the difference of a TAG exploding on impact or rebounding. The former being the one that may hurt.

 

[Tommikka]

Totally, shouldn’t be used for anything other than if needing to fix something etc. Can’t see why anyone carried a folding knife as i believe locking knives over 3” are illegal? Saying that if airsofters don’t know MED distances I can’t imagine they know much about inches either.

Game at longmoor I was at some guy next to me got hit while wearing a helmet and barely noticed other than the knock of it hitting ?

im pretty sure people will be able to play the games more the fact problem people just wont be asked to come back I imagine  or just won’t go back

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The ‘3” locking knife’ rule doesn’t exist and the ‘3” folding but not locking knife’ guidance only

If stopped by the police and they are not satisfied then they can act on any blade of any size, if you have got “good reason” then you can have pretty much any blade whether it’s locking or not

I have on a couple of occasions been stopped by the police (one occasion due to wandering the streets in the early hours with a carrier bag of tools and knives - that gets the attention of cctv operators and passing police cars) 

I also knew a guy who would be a dick drinking & driving, plus drinking & driving whilst banned for drinking & driving.  As a tree surgeon he carried an assortment of knives.  Whilst his van was searched once caught he was able to account for almost every blade.  They did him for a fruit knife in the glove box - he didn’t argue too much as he accepted he was a dick and deserved it

There was a game last year or the year before which ended with a guy floored by a boot in the chest.  This was due to an argument over sneaking behind enemy lines, but he pulled out a knife, then he was launched to the ground

Playing airsoft games is no good reason for use of a knife.   Pull a real knife on me and mild mannered polite Tom will disappear 

 

[clumpyedge]

i'm struggling to get the taking a direct hit from a tag not hurting, from what i've seen of those impact exploding shells i wouldn't want to be hit by one.

although granted they are cool as heck and if used properly i don't see an issue, but used properly means in my book deliberately firing to miss and relying solely on the standard grenade rules.

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I would guess it's the difference of a TAG exploding on impact or rebounding. The former being the one that may hurt.

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True wasn’t an impact it was a timed so only exploded when it hit the floor after hitting me but the object itself doesn’t actually hurt as they are made of some sort of polystyrene material (not quite sure what it is) there are videos of the makers being hit by them I believe and others testing for themselves. 

Personally I wouldn’t fire directly at anything I use them more as a lob shot over walls of a fob for example and still outside of MEDS, having said that i have seen some pretty stupid behaviour with them but luckily the game I played when that did happen they were told in no uncertain terms they would not be allowed back to any future event and lost the whole weekends money.

The ‘3” locking knife’ rule doesn’t exist and the ‘3” folding but not locking knife’ guidance only

If stopped by the police and they are not satisfied then they can act on any blade of any size, if you have got “good reason” then you can have pretty much any blade whether it’s locking or not

I have on a couple of occasions been stopped by the police (one occasion due to wandering the streets in the early hours with a carrier bag of tools and knives - that gets the attention of cctv operators and passing police cars) 

I also knew a guy who would be a dick drinking & driving, plus drinking & driving whilst banned for drinking & driving.  As a tree surgeon he carried an assortment of knives.  Whilst his van was searched once caught he was able to account for almost every blade.  They did him for a fruit knife in the glove box - he didn’t argue too much as he accepted he was a dick and deserved it

There was a game last year or the year before which ended with a guy floored by a boot in the chest.  This was due to an argument over sneaking behind enemy lines, but he pulled out a knife, then he was launched to the ground

Playing airsoft games is no good reason for use of a knife.   Pull a real knife on me and mild mannered polite Tom will disappear 

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Cheers for clarifying, wasn’t sure on the law as I’ve heard mixed information even from police officers!

 

[Immortal]

True wasn’t an impact it was a timed so only exploded when it hit the floor after hitting me but the object itself doesn’t actually hurt as they are made of some sort of polystyrene material (not quite sure what it is) there are videos of the makers being hit by them I believe and others testing for themselves 

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My team mate got hit by one the other day and said the same thing. The TAG round itself didn't hurt. It just rebounded off him detonating on the floor.

Boody (cool) loud things so ear defendors are worth wearing when they're in play!

 

[Wo1f]

And the knife can’t lock. I carry one with me for work. lanskey world legal. 

I think the problem is milsim games require a good level of player and a mindset that everyone clearly doesn’t have. We have Battlesims at Anzio which are a watered down milsim/structured skirmish, and as elitist as it sounds, I don’t think rentals and new players should be allowed. They just do their own thing and whine that they’re not hosing people down. 

I hope so. I hate that a few dicks spoil it for everyone else

 

[Guest]

The ‘3” locking knife’ rule doesn’t exist and the ‘3” folding but not locking knife’ guidance only

If stopped by the police and they are not satisfied then they can act on any blade of any size, if you have got “good reason” then you can have pretty much any blade whether it’s locking or not

I have on a couple of occasions been stopped by the police (one occasion due to wandering the streets in the early hours with a carrier bag of tools and knives - that gets the attention of cctv operators and passing police cars) 

I also knew a guy who would be a dick drinking & driving, plus drinking & driving whilst banned for drinking & driving.  As a tree surgeon he carried an assortment of knives.  Whilst his van was searched once caught he was able to account for almost every blade.  They did him for a fruit knife in the glove box - he didn’t argue too much as he accepted he was a dick and deserved it

There was a game last year or the year before which ended with a guy floored by a boot in the chest.  This was due to an argument over sneaking behind enemy lines, but he pulled out a knife, then he was launched to the ground

Playing airsoft games is no good reason for use of a knife.   Pull a real knife on me and mild mannered polite Tom will disappear 

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You can’t carry a fixed blade of any description, even a butter knife, without good reason, but a screwdriver is fine.

Folding knives have to be under 3”, but it’s not clear in legislation whether this applies to the entire blade or just the sharpened edge.

If a knife comes under the 3” legislation, it IS NOT classified as an offensive weapon. You can carry as many as you like, just like you can carry as many oranges as you like.

There are some restrictions, like football matches, concerts & shows, and schools, where you may not carry a blade of any description, but mostly in public you’re OK

However, as with ANY object, if you use it in an manner that could contravene the law, it becomes an offensive weapon. Otherwise, it’s up to the police to show that what you have on you is likely to be used in an illegal manner.

I carry a SAK, a friction folder and one other blade that varies depending upon where I am or what I am doing, and I have another multi-tool with a blade in the car.

 

[Adolf Hamster]

True wasn’t an impact it was a timed so only exploded when it hit the floor after hitting me but the object itself doesn’t actually hurt as they are made of some sort of polystyrene material (not quite sure what it is) there are videos of the makers being hit by them I believe and others testing for themselves. 

Personally I wouldn’t fire directly at anything I use them more as a lob shot over walls of a fob for example and still outside of MEDS, having said that i have seen some pretty stupid behaviour with them but luckily the game I played when that did happen they were told in no uncertain terms they would not be allowed back to any future event and lost the whole weekends money.

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The impact is the one that scares me, supposedly for firing into a room to detonate on the opposite wall, but it feels like a wrong place wrong time catastrophe waiting to happen, its instantaneous and i dread to think what it could do to someone with just glasses and no half mask.

However timed i dont have a problem with especially if as you say the impact force isnt that high (more distance will certainly help that).

I think the most valuable one is the smokes though, although maybe just because i have a terrible throwing arm.

Of course all that is predicated on the assumption the user is being sensible.

 

[Wo1f]

The impact isn’t that bad at all. If you’ve got your mums lycra on, it might, but airsoft gear it wouldn’t. It’s a type of high density foam. It’s akin to being hit by a tennis ball. 

These things are long range devices. You can’t aim them accurately at a person at a big distance. You shoot them at the person and they land in the general area at 100+m. If one hits you, is it really the end of the world?  If you’re headshotting people at 20m, then yeah, you’re a dick. If you launched it 100m and it happened to hit you, take your hit and don’t be a bitch. 

The same with the throwing pyro. While I don’t personally see an issue with lobbing a pyro at a vehicle. You throw a stick that weighs a few grams, it’s gonna go where the hell it feels like. 

 

[Immortal]

Pea grenades, they're brilliant fun to chuck about (sorry derailing.... done it anyway )

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